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Since: Jan 29, 2005 Posts: 158
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Celica Reversing Beep [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>autos>toyota (more info?)
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:59:48 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>"Steph" wrote in message
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>>> What model year Celica?
>>> Does it have an automatic or a manual transmission/
>>> What country are you in?
>>> Where is the beep coming from?
>>> --
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>> It's a 2006 vvt-i 1.8 litre standard UK model. The beep comes from
>> somewhere behind the dash ... and no, I'm not going to rip the dash out to
>> try and locate it!
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>I do not know if the beeper is something that is required in the U.K. or
>not, so rather than telling you how to disable it, I'll provide some hints
>on how to check its function.
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>The term "standard" is not used very much in the U.S. any more because the
>standard transmission on many cars sole here is now an automatic, but I'll
>assume that your car has a manually shifted transmission.
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>I asked about the transmission type because it is easier to trace wiring for
>a manual transmission than an automatic transmission. You can take a look
>up underneath the dash to see if the beeper is readily visible, but I was
>not going to suggest disassembling the dashboard, because doing so often
>results in squeaks and rattles.
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>There is a switch, either on the shifter, or on the transmission itself,
>that controls the backup lights. The backup light switch may also control
>the beeper, or there may be separate switch that can be disconnected or
>bypassed. There should be a switch somewhere near the shifter mechanism on
>the transmission. If you unplug the switch and the backup lights and beeper
>both stop working, then the switch controls both functions. If unplugging
>the switch only disables the lights or beeper but not both, then there are
>separate switches for the backup lights and beeper. Another possibility is
>that there are 2 switches near the shifter, 1 for the lights and 1 for the
>beeper.
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>Another place to look for the backup and/or beeper switch is underneath the
>dust boot for the shift lever.
Ray. This beeping seems to be only on the 6-speed manual models
(Celica GTS, Matrix XRS, Corolla XRS, and the MR2 with SMT). Due to
the placement of reverse being dangerously close to 1st gear, they
added it as an auditory warning if people accidently shift into
reverse rather than first. The 6-speed Supra has a different shift
pattern so no warning beepers were necessary. >> Stay informed about: Celica Reversing Beep |
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Since: Jun 02, 2006 Posts: 4627
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:17 pm
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"Viperkiller" wrote in message
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> Ray. This beeping seems to be only on the 6-speed manual models
> (Celica GTS, Matrix XRS, Corolla XRS, and the MR2 with SMT). Due to
> the placement of reverse being dangerously close to 1st gear, they
> added it as an auditory warning if people accidently shift into
> reverse rather than first. The 6-speed Supra has a different shift
> pattern so no warning beepers were necessary.
Then I agree with your idea of using some kind of lockout mechanism as a
simple solution!
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Ray O
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Since: Jun 05, 2006 Posts: 620
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:55 pm
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:49:22 GMT, "Steph" wrote:
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>> The beep is not to remind you that you are backing up, but, rather, to
>> warn
>> others, like pedestrians, that you are backing up. And the pedestrians may
>> be in a location where you can't see them, so it helpful, even with the
>> best of drivers.
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>> Jeff
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>I don't believe so - the beep is not audible outside the car - it's only
>designed to irritate the hell out of occupants.
Sounds like it accomplished its mission
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Since: Jun 05, 2006 Posts: 620
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:55 pm
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:18:09 GMT, "Steph" wrote:
>>> I don't believe so - the beep is not audible outside the car - it's only
>>> designed to irritate the hell out of occupants.
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>> I stand corrected. In the US, most vehicles (mostly trucks) that beep do
>> so outside the vehicle.
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>> However, it is not designed to irritate you, but to warn you.
>Yes, I should've explained that in the UK a Celica is a 2+2 sports coupe.
>Now, I can understand a warning beep for a senior citizen's car ... but I'm
>still the right side of 60, just ... and also on pickups and vans. But a
>sports coupe? What planet are Toyota on? No other 'family' vehicle in the
>UK I'm aware of has this 'feature', and it's one I'd happily do without. If
>only I could. Apart from that I like the car.
What the hell is the right side of 60.....
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Since: Apr 20, 2007 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:55 am
Post subject: Re: Celica Reversing Beep [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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> Irritating as it might be, it has a small significant use. You
> obviously have the 6-speed manual transmission. As you have noticed,
> reverse is very near 1st gear...poor placement if you ask me.
> Although it takes more force to get into reverse, there is a segment
> of people that confuse the two. They added the reverse beeping to
> discern reverse from 1st gear. Toyota didn't want their clients
> backing up on the car behind them on a red light that just turned
> green. It's an anathema for good drivers like you and me but Toyota
> found it necessary to make the car more "idiot proof."
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> All this brio could have been prevented by making the reverse like
> Volkwagens' where they have to press down towards the shifter to make
> it go into reverse.
Yes, I can almost follow the logic. I do have the 6-speed manual box - and
I LOVE the 6th gear.
But still one point eludes me. Probably most manual shift cars have 5 gears
arranged thus:-
R 1 3 5
2 4
So, the addition of gear 6 below 5 makes absolutely no difference to the
spacing in the top row. As others have said, if they're concerned about
accidentally selecting R instead of 1, they only needed to put a lift or a
press gate in to protect it. The beep is a very feeble compromise.
And my reason for making an issue of it? My garage is at the end of a 50
yard twisting drive with no option to turn around - I either have to reverse
in or out. The excess noise is actually a distraction (try reading a book
whilst listening to heavy metal music). I've now scraped one corner of the
bumper >> Stay informed about: Celica Reversing Beep |
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Since: Jul 04, 2004 Posts: 629
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:55 am
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"Steph" wrote in message
> And my reason for making an issue of it? My garage is at the end of a 50
> yard twisting drive with no option to turn around - I either have to
> reverse in or out. The excess noise is actually a distraction (try
> reading a book whilst listening to heavy metal music). I've now scraped
> one corner of the bumper
And so now you're blaming a little beeper for your deficient driving?
Funny how the blame game works, and how you're using it to your advantage.
If it hadn't been the beeper distracting you, it would have been a black cat
crossing the driveway that made you scrape your bumper. You begin to
sound like a small child who tells his mother "You made me do it!"
Take responsibility for your actions, it wasn't the car that scraped its
bumper, it was you.
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Since: Jun 14, 2006 Posts: 23
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:55 pm
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On 21/4/07 3:49 AM, in article C27Wh.4513$nh7.1708@newsfe7-win.ntli.net,
"Steph" wrote:
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>> The beep is not to remind you that you are backing up, but, rather, to
>> warn
>> others, like pedestrians, that you are backing up. And the pedestrians may
>> be in a location where you can't see them, so it helpful, even with the
>> best of drivers.
>>
>> Jeff
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> I don't believe so - the beep is not audible outside the car - it's only
> designed to irritate the hell out of occupants.
>
I don't know about your model, but check the fuse box for a related fuse.
You never know, that cured the annoying "key in ignition with door open"
chime.
Cheers
Hammo >> Stay informed about: Celica Reversing Beep |
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Since: Jan 11, 2007 Posts: 1715
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Celica Reversing Beep [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Steph" wrote in message
>> What model year Celica?
>> Does it have an automatic or a manual transmission/
>> What country are you in?
>> Where is the beep coming from?
>> --
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> It's a 2006 vvt-i 1.8 litre standard UK model. The beep comes from
> somewhere behind the dash ... and no, I'm not going to rip the dash out to
> try and locate it!
I can't help you to disable the beeper, but your response to the location
causes me to wonder what the beep could be for. It is common to put a
reverse beeper on vehicles to alert bystanders that the vehicle will not be
moving forward as might be expected. I would find a beeper like this on a
passenger car to be annoying, as you apparently find it, so my thoughts are
with you as you find a way to turn it off.
Having said that, if the beep is coming from inside the vehicle, I have to
wonder how effective it might be for pedestrians that may be walking behind
your car. If the beep were loud enough to be coming from inside the car, and
could be heard outside, then it must be very loud indeed. If the beep were
coming from under the car, but on the outside, then you would hear it
inside, and this would still be annoying, but might help to help you find
it.
What is the reason "they" give for having a beeper that can not be turned
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Since: Jan 18, 2006 Posts: 330
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:55 pm
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"Steph" wrote in message
> But still one point eludes me. Probably most manual shift cars have 5
> gears arranged thus:-
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> R 1 3 5
> 2 4
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The 5 speeds that I have encountered have always been this way:
1 3 5
2 4 R
This is the way in my Jeep that I have right now, and on a few others
today that I can think of. I would think the best place would be to the
right of the higher gears with a lockout.
The Prius has the annoying reverse beep that is for only inside the car.
We decided to leave it on for at least a while until we were sure we had
the patterns engrained into our little minds (there is a disable
sequence). After 5000 miles we pretty much do not even hear it anymore.
Tomes >> Stay informed about: Celica Reversing Beep |
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Since: Jan 29, 2005 Posts: 158
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:41 am
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:37:11 GMT, "Steph" wrote:
>> Irritating as it might be, it has a small significant use. You
>> obviously have the 6-speed manual transmission. As you have noticed,
>> reverse is very near 1st gear...poor placement if you ask me.
>> Although it takes more force to get into reverse, there is a segment
>> of people that confuse the two. They added the reverse beeping to
>> discern reverse from 1st gear. Toyota didn't want their clients
>> backing up on the car behind them on a red light that just turned
>> green. It's an anathema for good drivers like you and me but Toyota
>> found it necessary to make the car more "idiot proof."
>>
>> All this brio could have been prevented by making the reverse like
>> Volkwagens' where they have to press down towards the shifter to make
>> it go into reverse.
>
>Yes, I can almost follow the logic. I do have the 6-speed manual box - and
>I LOVE the 6th gear.
>But still one point eludes me. Probably most manual shift cars have 5 gears
>arranged thus:-
>
>R 1 3 5
> 2 4
>
>So, the addition of gear 6 below 5 makes absolutely no difference to the
>spacing in the top row. As others have said, if they're concerned about
>accidentally selecting R instead of 1, they only needed to put a lift or a
>press gate in to protect it. The beep is a very feeble compromise.
>
>And my reason for making an issue of it? My garage is at the end of a 50
>yard twisting drive with no option to turn around - I either have to reverse
>in or out. The excess noise is actually a distraction (try reading a book
>whilst listening to heavy metal music). I've now scraped one corner of the
>bumper
In the US, the 5-speed manual has a pattern of:
1 3 5
2 4 R
So, the addition of the 6th speed has forced a relocation of the
reverse gear, much to our chagrin. >> Stay informed about: Celica Reversing Beep |
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:21 pm
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| Steph wrote: |
I've been driving for over 40 years, and never felt the need to be reminded
when I'm in reverse gear. So how can I disable the infuriating beep in my
new Celica? The dealer tells me it can't be done. I don't believe them! |
I have a 2000 GTS and mine is like that also, It only beeps when it's on reverse.... There is a way though that you could turn it off ... but I doubt you'll want to do it cuz the celica 00+ are so dang sensetive that one small fried wire can shut the whole car down for example my car went dead when I was installing a dvd into the car dash cuz of the audio wire got burnt.... but if you want to kill the beeping sound slowly using a flat head or something flat to open the top to bottom and remove all of the bottons on the dash board. Then just snip off the wire I didn't do it to mine cuz i gotten used to the beep. >> Stay informed about: Celica Reversing Beep |
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