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Mark A3

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:19 am
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NEW YORK (AP) — Raging Midwest floodwaters that swallowed crops and sent
corn and soybean prices soaring are about to give consumers more grief at
the grocery store.

In the latest bout of food inflation, beef, pork, poultry and even eggs,
cheese and milk are expected to get more expensive as livestock owners go
out of business or are forced to slaughter more cattle, hogs, turkeys and
chickens to cope with rocketing costs for corn-based animal feed.

Rod Brenneman, president and chief executive of Seaboard Foods, a pork
supplier in Sawnee Mission, Kan. that produces 4 million hogs a year, said
high corn costs were already forcing producers in his industry to cut back
on the number of animals they raise.

"There's definitely liquidation of livestock happening," and that will cause
meat prices to rise later this year and into 2009, said Brenneman, who is
also the vice chairman of the American Meat Institute.

Brenneman's cost for feeding a single hog has shot up $30 in the past year
because of record-high prices for corn and soybeans, the main ingredients in
animal feed. Passing that increase on to consumers would tack an extra 15
cents per pound onto a pork chop.

It's a similar story for U.S. beef producers, who now spend a whopping 60-70
percent of their production costs on animal feed and are seeing that number
rise daily as corn prices hover near an unprecedented $8 a bushel, up from
about $4 a year ago.

"This is not sustainable. The cattle industry is going to have to get
smaller," said James Herring, president and CEO of Amarillo, Tex.-based
Friona Industries, which buys 20 million bushels of corn each year to feed
550,000 cattle.

Corn's prices were already rising before the floods, driven up 80 percent
over the past year as developing countries like China and India scramble for
grains to feed people and livestock. U.S. production of ethanol, an
alternative fuel that can be made with corn, has also pushed prices higher,
prompting livestock owners to lobby Washington to roll back ethanol
mandates.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:42 am
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:19:01 -0400, Mark A wrote:

> NEW YORK (AP) — Raging Midwest floodwaters that swallowed crops and sent
> corn and soybean prices soaring are about to give consumers more grief at
> the grocery store.
>
> In the latest bout of food inflation, beef, pork, poultry and even eggs,
> cheese and milk are expected to get more expensive as livestock owners go
> out of business or are forced to slaughter more cattle, hogs, turkeys and
> chickens to cope with rocketing costs for corn-based animal feed.


Going to mean a lot more than that. Corn is used a LOT.

Corn farmers planned on planting 8% LESS corn this year, most likely in an
effort to keep prices high.

OK, prices are high! And, a number of farms are on contract, which means
they have to sell their crop at $6/bsh price, while the buyer reaps the
rewards of the higher price.

See! Speculation does work!

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:22 pm
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"Hachiroku" <Trueno RemoveThis @e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:19:01 -0400, Mark A wrote:
>
>> NEW YORK (AP) - Raging Midwest floodwaters that swallowed crops and sent
>> corn and soybean prices soaring are about to give consumers more grief at
>> the grocery store.
>>
>> In the latest bout of food inflation, beef, pork, poultry and even eggs,
>> cheese and milk are expected to get more expensive as livestock owners go
>> out of business or are forced to slaughter more cattle, hogs, turkeys and
>> chickens to cope with rocketing costs for corn-based animal feed.

The biggest hog farmer in my area dropped out of the business lat year when
he saw where corn prices were heading.

> Going to mean a lot more than that. Corn is used a LOT.

Yep, but there alternatives for many uses. Heaven forbid they actually use
sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup. Eliminating the duties on
imported sugar could help with some of these uses.

> Corn farmers planned on planting 8% LESS corn this year, most likely in an
> effort to keep prices high.

Well I planted over 10% less corn because I can make more money on other
crops (soybeans, peanuts). Heck, in recent yeas I made more money per acre
on pasture than on corn. Corn prices have been depressed for decades. If you
adjust prices for inflation, it is still relatively cheap compared to the
mid seventies, or dirt cheap compared to the 1920's. I thought I was going
to make decent money on corn. Unfortunately every supplier (fertilizer,
seeds, chemicals) took advantage of the projected high corn prices to jack
up their prices as well. If I am lucky, I'll clear about the same as last
year, and the year before per acre. This just means next year, I plant even
less corn.

> OK, prices are high! And, a number of farms are on contract, which means
> they have to sell their crop at $6/bsh price, while the buyer reaps the
> rewards of the higher price.

I pre-sold half my crop for only $5.60. However, when you are used to $1.86,
that looks awfully good. The buyer took the risk, not me. In fact for the
past decade, the speculators have been taking a beating betting on corn
prices. I wish I had corn in bins to sell today. The price for immediate
delivery is unbelievable.

> See! Speculation does work!

Sometimes. But I wager there are plenty of losing speculators out there as
well. I am sure quite few speculators sold corn short. I'd hate to be in
their shoes now. Unfortunately if it doesn't rain on my corn soon, I will
be.

Ed
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:19 pm
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"Hachiroku" <Trueno DeleteThis @e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.06.24.03.07.48.391646@e86.GTS...
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:19:01 -0400, Mark A wrote:
>
>> NEW YORK (AP) - Raging Midwest floodwaters that swallowed crops and sent
>> corn and soybean prices soaring are about to give consumers more grief at
>> the grocery store.
>>
>> In the latest bout of food inflation, beef, pork, poultry and even eggs,
>> cheese and milk are expected to get more expensive as livestock owners go
>> out of business or are forced to slaughter more cattle, hogs, turkeys and
>> chickens to cope with rocketing costs for corn-based animal feed.
>
>
> Going to mean a lot more than that. Corn is used a LOT.
>
> Corn farmers planned on planting 8% LESS corn this year, most likely in an
> effort to keep prices high.
>
> OK, prices are high! And, a number of farms are on contract, which means
> they have to sell their crop at $6/bsh price, while the buyer reaps the
> rewards of the higher price.
>
> See! Speculation does work!

I wouldn't mind at all seeing meat prices go thru the roof.
Fewer cattle means less manure and less methane, which are both desirable
end results....(no pun intended)
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:07 pm
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Ah yes, but imagine all of the "alternate fuel" we can obtain to pacify the
environuts. By the way, have you ever been in Lancaster County in
Pennsylvania, in the spring, at anytime in the past 200 years? LOL

"mack" <mackerel.TakeThisOut@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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> "Hachiroku" <Trueno.TakeThisOut@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.06.24.03.07.48.391646@e86.GTS...
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:19:01 -0400, Mark A wrote:
>>
>>> NEW YORK (AP) - Raging Midwest floodwaters that swallowed crops and sent
>>> corn and soybean prices soaring are about to give consumers more grief
>>> at
>>> the grocery store.
>>>
>>> In the latest bout of food inflation, beef, pork, poultry and even eggs,
>>> cheese and milk are expected to get more expensive as livestock owners
>>> go
>>> out of business or are forced to slaughter more cattle, hogs, turkeys
>>> and
>>> chickens to cope with rocketing costs for corn-based animal feed.
>>
>>
>> Going to mean a lot more than that. Corn is used a LOT.
>>
>> Corn farmers planned on planting 8% LESS corn this year, most likely in
>> an
>> effort to keep prices high.
>>
>> OK, prices are high! And, a number of farms are on contract, which means
>> they have to sell their crop at $6/bsh price, while the buyer reaps the
>> rewards of the higher price.
>>
>> See! Speculation does work!
>
> I wouldn't mind at all seeing meat prices go thru the roof.
> Fewer cattle means less manure and less methane, which are both desirable
> end results....(no pun intended)
>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:12 am
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:19:31 -0700, mack wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno.TakeThisOut@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.06.24.03.07.48.391646@e86.GTS...
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:19:01 -0400, Mark A wrote:
>>
>>> NEW YORK (AP) - Raging Midwest floodwaters that swallowed crops and sent
>>> corn and soybean prices soaring are about to give consumers more grief at
>>> the grocery store.
>>>
>>> In the latest bout of food inflation, beef, pork, poultry and even eggs,
>>> cheese and milk are expected to get more expensive as livestock owners go
>>> out of business or are forced to slaughter more cattle, hogs, turkeys and
>>> chickens to cope with rocketing costs for corn-based animal feed.
>>
>>
>> Going to mean a lot more than that. Corn is used a LOT.
>>
>> Corn farmers planned on planting 8% LESS corn this year, most likely in an
>> effort to keep prices high.
>>
>> OK, prices are high! And, a number of farms are on contract, which means
>> they have to sell their crop at $6/bsh price, while the buyer reaps the
>> rewards of the higher price.
>>
>> See! Speculation does work!
>
> I wouldn't mind at all seeing meat prices go thru the roof.
> Fewer cattle means less manure and less methane, which are both desirable
> end results....(no pun intended)

Not necessarily. Did you see the NBC new story of the dairy farm that
recycles all the manure? They run their operation, and provide energy for
120 other homes.

What they get in the end is fertilizer and potting soil.

And, if they need more, there's *PLENTY* of BS right here in this group!
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:13 am
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:07:47 -0400, Mike hunt wrote:

>
> Ah yes, but imagine all of the "alternate fuel" we can obtain to pacify the
> environuts. By the way, have you ever been in Lancaster County in
> Pennsylvania, in the spring, at anytime in the past 200 years? LOL


We used to play every Tuesday night in a bar in the middle of farm country
here in Western Mass. I'd always begin the night with "Welcome to Cowshit
Falls!"
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:14 am
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:22:02 -0400, C. E. White wrote:

>> See! Speculation does work!
>
> Sometimes. But I wager there are plenty of losing speculators out there as
> well. I am sure quite few speculators sold corn short. I'd hate to be in
> their shoes now. Unfortunately if it doesn't rain on my corn soon, I will
> be.


Um, you're a *FARMER*?!?!

Also, when it comes to rain, careful what you wish for...
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:19 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:39 am
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"Hachiroku" <Trueno.DeleteThis@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:22:02 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>
>>> See! Speculation does work!
>>
>> Sometimes. But I wager there are plenty of losing speculators out
>> there as
>> well. I am sure quite few speculators sold corn short. I'd hate to
>> be in
>> their shoes now. Unfortunately if it doesn't rain on my corn soon,
>> I will
>> be.
>
>
> Um, you're a *FARMER*?!?!

I have a "real" job and farm on weekends, vacation, and flex time. The
total crop land I tend is about 350 acres. I usually lease out around
65 of that total to another farmer to raise cotton. This year I have
around 95 acres of corn, 102 acres of soybeans, 30 acres of peanuts,
40 acres of pasture, and the rest leased out to cotton. My Father made
a decent living on 115 acres less than I farm today, but I don't make
enough from farming to clear the povery line. For me farming has been
reduced to a low cost hobby (some years I even make money at it:)).
When I was a boy, there were dozens of famers in the township where my
farm is located. These days there are three principal mega-farmers
that farm most of the land plus a couple of medium sized farmers. I am
on the big end of the three or so small famers left in the area.

> Also, when it comes to rain, careful what you wish for...

You can't flood where my farm is located unless you raise the ocean,
but too much rain can be a problem - mostly when it comes to harvest
time.

Ed
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:45 pm
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"Hachiroku"
C. E. White wrote:
>
>>> See! Speculation does work!
>>
>> Sometimes. But I wager there are plenty of losing speculators out there
>> as
>> well. I am sure quite few speculators sold corn short. I'd hate to be in
>> their shoes now. Unfortunately if it doesn't rain on my corn soon, I will
>> be.
>
>
> Um, you're a *FARMER*?!?!
>
> Also, when it comes to rain, careful what you wish for...
>
>

Another casualty is quality corn. They're harvesting too early, and the
corn is terrible.

Natalie
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:39 pm
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:34:21 -0500, dbu <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.moc> wrote:

>What ever they do, please don't mess with popcorn.

Don't worry, the farmers already did it for you - there's more money
in field corn and sweet corn, and popcorn is a lot finickier to grow.

They did an article where all the major popcorn producers have to
send out advance men and almost have to beg farmers to plant it.

"Now hold on to your hats and glasses, 'cause this here's the
Wildest Ride in the Wilderness!"

--<< Bruce >>--
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:44 am
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:45:43 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:

> "Hachiroku"
> C. E. White wrote:
>>
>>>> See! Speculation does work!
>>>
>>> Sometimes. But I wager there are plenty of losing speculators out there
>>> as
>>> well. I am sure quite few speculators sold corn short. I'd hate to be in
>>> their shoes now. Unfortunately if it doesn't rain on my corn soon, I will
>>> be.
>>
>>
>> Um, you're a *FARMER*?!?!
>>
>> Also, when it comes to rain, careful what you wish for...
>>
>>
>
> Another casualty is quality corn. They're harvesting too early, and the
> corn is terrible.
>
> Natalie


Not up here! It's actually been a GREAT year for corn so far, but with all
the difficulties, the price has gone up $1.50/half dozen...
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:10:06 -0400, C. E. White wrote:

>> Another casualty is quality corn. They're harvesting too early, and the
>> corn is terrible.
>
> I assume you are talking about sweet corn, not field corn. All my corn is
> field corn (hard yellow #2 corn)


Is that the deep yellow stuff with the big kernels? "Cow Corn"?
I LOVE that stuff! We used to raid the local large farmer's fields, get a
couple dozen, go down to the river, soak them for 5 minutes and throw them
in the fire. MOOOOOOOOOO!
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:39:55 -0400, C. E. White wrote:

>> Um, you're a *FARMER*?!?!
>
> I have a "real" job and farm on weekends, vacation, and flex time. The
> total crop land I tend is about 350 acres. I usually lease out around
> 65 of that total to another farmer to raise cotton. This year I have
> around 95 acres of corn, 102 acres of soybeans, 30 acres of peanuts,
> 40 acres of pasture, and the rest leased out to cotton. My Father made
> a decent living on 115 acres less than I farm today, but I don't make
> enough from farming to clear the povery line.


DAMN! A "love of labor"?
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