Can RWD be as good as FWD in Winter - Crown Vic, Marquis, ..

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|Is this possible? Has anyone driven both one of these RWD big blocks
|and a FWD and compared them?

I have both RWD and FWD cars, live in New York State.
The RWD car, a 95 4.6 v8 T-Bird, benefits from real snow tires and
some extra weight in the trunk. It also has ABS and electronic traction
control.

The best RWD snow car I had was a 65 Pontiac Grand Prix 389 v8.
This full frame car with old Firestone town and country snow tires
would get thru anything I threw at it, including getting up a steep
hill towards Congers off the Lake Deforest causeway in significant
snow.

I don't think they make cars that heavy or snow tires with that type of
aggressive tread, great in snow but poor at highway speeds.

The FWD cars with ABS do fairly well in the snow with all season tires
(whatever "all season" means today).
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In my humble experience.... no. The FWD offers superior traction and, driven
properly, superior performance in these conditions.

If you want to win a drag race on dry pavement... RWD is the place to be.
But FWD has benefits that many don't get to experience.

"Why you ask, grasshopper?".

"Yuan" wrote in message

> Is this possible? Has anyone driven both one of these RWD big blocks
> and a FWD and compared them? Currently I'm driving a 97 Taurus and it
> handles alright in snow. I haven't spun out or been stuck, except
> this one time going slowly up an iced out hill, I had to get out and
> push .
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old geezers (like me) will say that we got where we had to go with
RWD......we learned to drive with RWD and knew how to handle situations.
didn't always have snow tires, but very much needed on smaller cars. I
had a Volvo 144 that was like a mountain goat........a Checker with
studded tires that was a locomotive.......and even got thru everything
in a Chevette with snows.

But someone who has only driven FWD might have problems adjusting. I'm
not impressed with FWD.....and know from experience that it won't go up
the hill to my house like the old RWD (weight transfer?).

Have just completed my first week of winter driving in a Taurus
AWD.....wow! It's no Jeep, but completely seamless: I can't even tell
the road is slick, until I notice that other cars (FWD and RWD) can't
get going!
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Yuan wrote:
> I was thinking of getting a Marauder, but two things would bug me:
> winter driving and no more rear wiper (i'm used to it on my Taurus
> wagon now).


You don't need a rear wiper on that car...

and i drive my crown vic all the time in the winter, its fine with
winter tires on it...

any car needs winter tires
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"Picasso" wrote in message

> I too prefer RWD with no antilock, it is broken on my ranger anyway, and i disconnected it on my silverado.

I just use the "ABS" as a warning vibration that my front wheels are locked &
remind me to pump the pedal. Driving in the snow does take some practice
& a lot of patience.
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|
|Have just completed my first week of winter driving in a Taurus
|AWD.....wow! It's no Jeep, but completely seamless: I can't even tell
|the road is slick, until I notice that other cars (FWD and RWD) can't
|get going!
|
|


AWD / 4WD is great in the winter until you have to hit the brakes.

Then you are at the mercy of physics like all us poor slobs in FWD and
RWD vehicles.
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Shawn wrote:
> "Picasso" wrote in message
>
>> I too prefer RWD with no antilock, it is broken on my ranger anyway, and i disconnected it on my silverado.
>
> I just use the "ABS" as a warning vibration that my front wheels are locked &
> remind me to pump the pedal. Driving in the snow does take some practice
> & a lot of patience.
>
>

and ABS doesn't help stopping in snow
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Picasso wrote:
> Shawn wrote:
>> "Picasso" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> I too prefer RWD with no antilock, it is broken on my ranger anyway,
>>> and i disconnected it on my silverado.
>>
>> I just use the "ABS" as a warning vibration that my front wheels are
>> locked &
>> remind me to pump the pedal. Driving in the snow does take some practice
>> & a lot of patience.
>>
>>
>
> and ABS doesn't help stopping in snow

I thought ABS is helpful in light, slippery snow, but worse in deep snow.

Jeff
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"Jeff" wrote in message
> Picasso wrote:
>> Shawn wrote:
>>> "Picasso" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> I too prefer RWD with no antilock, it is broken on my ranger anyway, and i disconnected it on my silverado.
>>>
>>> I just use the "ABS" as a warning vibration that my front wheels are locked &
>>> remind me to pump the pedal. Driving in the snow does take some practice
>>> & a lot of patience.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> and ABS doesn't help stopping in snow
>
> I thought ABS is helpful in light, slippery snow, but worse in deep snow.
>
> Jeff

Ice is the driver's worst nightmare. Imagine driving on Teflon coated roads.
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back before we had abs brakes, front wheel drive, automatic transmissions,
automatic traction control, auto piolet in cars, we had no problems driving
on ice and snow covered roads because we knew how to drive. people nowdays
are idiots.
"Picasso" wrote in message

> Shawn wrote:
>> "Picasso" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> I too prefer RWD with no antilock, it is broken on my ranger anyway, and
>>> i disconnected it on my silverado.
>>
>> I just use the "ABS" as a warning vibration that my front wheels are
>> locked &
>> remind me to pump the pedal. Driving in the snow does take some practice
>> & a lot of patience.
>>
>>
>
> and ABS doesn't help stopping in snow
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amen

"Tom" wrote in message

> back before we had abs brakes, front wheel drive, automatic transmissions,
> automatic traction control, auto piolet in cars, we had no problems
> driving on ice and snow covered roads because we knew how to drive. people
> nowdays are idiots.
> "Picasso" wrote in message
>
>> Shawn wrote:
>>> "Picasso" wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> I too prefer RWD with no antilock, it is broken on my ranger anyway,
>>>> and i disconnected it on my silverado.
>>>
>>> I just use the "ABS" as a warning vibration that my front wheels are
>>> locked &
>>> remind me to pump the pedal. Driving in the snow does take some practice
>>> & a lot of patience.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> and ABS doesn't help stopping in snow
>
>
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ole wrote:
> amen
>
> "Tom" wrote in message
>
>> back before we had abs brakes, front wheel drive, automatic transmissions,
>> automatic traction control, auto piolet in cars, we had no problems
>> driving on ice and snow covered roads because we knew how to drive. people
>> nowdays are idiots.
>> "Picasso" wrote in message
>>
>>> Shawn wrote:
>>>> "Picasso" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I too prefer RWD with no antilock, it is broken on my ranger anyway,
>>>>> and i disconnected it on my silverado.
>>>> I just use the "ABS" as a warning vibration that my front wheels are
>>>> locked &
>>>> remind me to pump the pedal. Driving in the snow does take some practice
>>>> & a lot of patience.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> and ABS doesn't help stopping in snow
>>
>
>

haha, nice
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Rear wipers are only good for a station wagon...
Any sedan do not need a rear wiper.
I bought 7 Crown Victorias, and I never got the rear window dirty.

Marauder = GOOD

Crown Victorias are the best snow cars ever. 10X better than the FWD Camry
in snow ! Camry understeers a lot while the Crown Vic does not understeer
at all.

"Yuan" wrote in message

>I was thinking of getting a Marauder, but two things would bug me:
> winter driving and no more rear wiper (i'm used to it on my Taurus
> wagon now).
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