Any of the Prez candidates Pro US auto Industry?

Me thinks Obama intent to increase corporate and capital gain taxes will
harm the auto industry and American auto workers, as well as all other
American manufactures. Everybody knows corporations do not pay taxes, they
pass them through to the consumer and they do it at a percentage of profit.

One can look forward to even MORE jobs going off shore as manufactures try
to compete with imports that are not subject to US taxes or extraordinary
regulations. I would not be surprised to see American corporations, that
operate internationally, moving their headquarters offshore as well. GM and
Ford would be much better off operating as Dubai corporations

The Japanese already have a huge advantage in the US in that they do not pay
any US federal corporate income taxes on the profit earned in the US.
Raising taxes even higher, to buy votes for all of the "free" stuff Obama is
promising, will only make it harder to compete with imports of all types.

Americans are not like the Japanese, who support their own industries,
Americans will buy from anywhere if they think they can save a few dollars.
Just look how much they buy now of the products made in China without
regards to how it effects their own jobs.

It seems to me the polls, showing Obama will win, is one of the primary
things that are fueling the fall in the stock market today. Especially when
one considers the fact that new, and formerly owned, home sales were up two
percent and the umimployment rate went down last month and it appears to be
getting even better so far this month, the market should not be going down
but it is.


"Ed White" wrote in message

>
> "Gomer Pyloshit" wrote in message
>
>> If so who? I have a frieind in the detroit area and he and others are
>> taking beating.
>
> My guess is that Obama is most likely to be pro unionized US domestic
> manufacturers, but it is only a guess.
>
> Ed
>
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"Mike Hunter" wrote in message

> Me thinks Obama intent to increase corporate and capital gain taxes will
> harm the auto industry and American auto workers, as well as all other
> American manufactures. Everybody knows corporations do not pay taxes,
they
> pass them through to the consumer and they do it at a percentage of
profit.
>
> One can look forward to even MORE jobs going off shore as manufactures try
> to compete with imports that are not subject to US taxes or extraordinary
> regulations.
> I would not be surprised to see American corporations, that
> operate internationally, moving their headquarters offshore as well. GM
and
> Ford would be much better off operating as Dubai corporations
>
> The Japanese already have a huge advantage in the US in that they do not
pay
> any US federal corporate income taxes on the profit earned in the US.
> Raising taxes even higher, to buy votes for all of the "free" stuff Obama
is
> promising, will only make it harder to compete with imports of all types.
>
> Americans are not like the Japanese, who support their own industries,
> Americans will buy from anywhere if they think they can save a few
dollars.
> Just look how much they buy now of the products made in China without
> regards to how it effects their own jobs.
>
> It seems to me the polls, showing Obama will win, is one of the primary
> things that are fueling the fall in the stock market today. Especially
when
> one considers the fact that new, and formerly owned, home sales were up
two
> percent and the umimployment rate went down last month and it appears to
be
> getting even better so far this month, the market should not be going down
> but it is.
>

The Republicans got us to this point, and it is a Republican president
with a large enough number of Republicans in Congress right now to stymie
any real attempt at a Democratic agenda, so it is pretty clear to most
people that you are off your rocker.

No matter how bad the Democrats are, once they get their filibuster-proof
majority and their President in office, it couldn't possibly be any worse
than
what we have now.

Ted
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You are entitled to your own opinion no matter how convoluted it may be, but
what I posted is factual.


"Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote in message

>
> "Mike Hunter" wrote in message
>
>> Me thinks Obama intent to increase corporate and capital gain taxes will
>> harm the auto industry and American auto workers, as well as all other
>> American manufactures. Everybody knows corporations do not pay taxes,
> they
>> pass them through to the consumer and they do it at a percentage of
> profit.
>>
>> One can look forward to even MORE jobs going off shore as manufactures
>> try
>> to compete with imports that are not subject to US taxes or extraordinary
>> regulations.
>> I would not be surprised to see American corporations, that
>> operate internationally, moving their headquarters offshore as well. GM
> and
>> Ford would be much better off operating as Dubai corporations
>>
>> The Japanese already have a huge advantage in the US in that they do not
> pay
>> any US federal corporate income taxes on the profit earned in the US.
>> Raising taxes even higher, to buy votes for all of the "free" stuff Obama
> is
>> promising, will only make it harder to compete with imports of all types.
>>
>> Americans are not like the Japanese, who support their own industries,
>> Americans will buy from anywhere if they think they can save a few
> dollars.
>> Just look how much they buy now of the products made in China without
>> regards to how it effects their own jobs.
>>
>> It seems to me the polls, showing Obama will win, is one of the primary
>> things that are fueling the fall in the stock market today. Especially
> when
>> one considers the fact that new, and formerly owned, home sales were up
> two
>> percent and the umimployment rate went down last month and it appears to
> be
>> getting even better so far this month, the market should not be going
>> down
>> but it is.
>>
>
> The Republicans got us to this point, and it is a Republican president
> with a large enough number of Republicans in Congress right now to stymie
> any real attempt at a Democratic agenda, so it is pretty clear to most
> people that you are off your rocker.
>
> No matter how bad the Democrats are, once they get their filibuster-proof
> majority and their President in office, it couldn't possibly be any worse
> than
> what we have now.
>
> Ted
>
>
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"Mike Hunter" wrote in message

> Me thinks Obama intent to increase corporate and capital gain taxes will
> harm the auto industry and American auto workers, as well as all other
> American manufactures. Everybody knows corporations do not pay taxes,
> they pass them through to the consumer and they do it at a percentage of
> profit.
>
> One can look forward to even MORE jobs going off shore as manufactures try
> to compete with imports that are not subject to US taxes or extraordinary
> regulations. I would not be surprised to see American corporations, that
> operate internationally, moving their headquarters offshore as well. GM
> and Ford would be much better off operating as Dubai corporations
>
> The Japanese already have a huge advantage in the US in that they do not
> pay any US federal corporate income taxes on the profit earned in the US.
> Raising taxes even higher, to buy votes for all of the "free" stuff Obama
> is promising, will only make it harder to compete with imports of all
> types.
>
> Americans are not like the Japanese, who support their own industries,
> Americans will buy from anywhere if they think they can save a few
> dollars. Just look how much they buy now of the products made in China
> without regards to how it effects their own jobs.
>
> It seems to me the polls, showing Obama will win, is one of the primary
> things that are fueling the fall in the stock market today. Especially
> when one considers the fact that new, and formerly owned, home sales were
> up two percent and the umimployment rate went down last month and it
> appears to be getting even better so far this month, the market should not
> be going down but it is.
>
>
> "Ed White" wrote in message
>
>>
>> "Gomer Pyloshit" wrote in message
>>
>>> If so who? I have a frieind in the detroit area and he and others are
>>> taking beating.
>>
>> My guess is that Obama is most likely to be pro unionized US domestic
>> manufacturers, but it is only a guess.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
Obama is hell bent on seeing the US auto industry survive, just listen to
his speeches on how wants manufacturing bought back to the US as well as the
US auto industry on solid footing.

>
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In article ,
"Tyrone Lamont Epstein" wrote:

> Obama is hell bent on seeing the US auto industry survive, just listen to
> his speeches on how wants manufacturing bought back to the US as well as the
> US auto industry on solid footing.
>
> >

Usually followed or preceded by a promise to increase taxes on corps.
Can't have it both ways economically.
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You obviously have never owned a business! How can you believe that he wants
to "help" corporations when he is TELLING you he will raise taxes on
corporations and capital gains, that will make it even more difficult to
manufacture anything in the US?

How often has he said he will not give tax brakes to corporation the send
jobs overseas? The fact is there is NO IRS regulation that results in, or
even offers, a tax deduction to ANY US corporation "for sending jobs over
seas."


"Tyrone Lamont Epstein" wrote in message

>
> "Mike Hunter" wrote in message
>
>> Me thinks Obama intent to increase corporate and capital gain taxes will
>> harm the auto industry and American auto workers, as well as all other
>> American manufactures. Everybody knows corporations do not pay taxes,
>> they pass them through to the consumer and they do it at a percentage of
>> profit.
>>
>> One can look forward to even MORE jobs going off shore as manufactures
>> try to compete with imports that are not subject to US taxes or
>> extraordinary regulations. I would not be surprised to see American
>> corporations, that operate internationally, moving their headquarters
>> offshore as well. GM and Ford would be much better off operating as
>> Dubai corporations
>>
>> The Japanese already have a huge advantage in the US in that they do not
>> pay any US federal corporate income taxes on the profit earned in the US.
>> Raising taxes even higher, to buy votes for all of the "free" stuff Obama
>> is promising, will only make it harder to compete with imports of all
>> types.
>>
>> Americans are not like the Japanese, who support their own industries,
>> Americans will buy from anywhere if they think they can save a few
>> dollars. Just look how much they buy now of the products made in China
>> without regards to how it effects their own jobs.
>>
>> It seems to me the polls, showing Obama will win, is one of the primary
>> things that are fueling the fall in the stock market today. Especially
>> when one considers the fact that new, and formerly owned, home sales were
>> up two percent and the umimployment rate went down last month and it
>> appears to be getting even better so far this month, the market should
>> not be going down but it is.
>>
>>
> Obama is hell bent on seeing the US auto industry survive, just listen to
> his speeches on how wants manufacturing bought back to the US as well as
> the US auto industry on solid footing.
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"Mike Hunter" wrote in message

> You obviously have never owned a business! How can you believe that he
> wants to "help" corporations when he is TELLING you he will raise taxes on
> corporations and capital gains, that will make it even more difficult to
> manufacture anything in the US?
>
> How often has he said he will not give tax brakes to corporation the send
> jobs overseas? The fact is there is NO IRS regulation that results in,
> or even offers, a tax deduction to ANY US corporation "for sending jobs
> over seas."
>
>
> "Tyrone Lamont Epstein" wrote in message
>
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" wrote in message
>>
>>> Me thinks Obama intent to increase corporate and capital gain taxes will
>>> harm the auto industry and American auto workers, as well as all other
>>> American manufactures. Everybody knows corporations do not pay taxes,
>>> they pass them through to the consumer and they do it at a percentage of
>>> profit.
>>>
>>> One can look forward to even MORE jobs going off shore as manufactures
>>> try to compete with imports that are not subject to US taxes or
>>> extraordinary regulations. I would not be surprised to see American
>>> corporations, that operate internationally, moving their headquarters
>>> offshore as well. GM and Ford would be much better off operating as
>>> Dubai corporations
>>>
>>> The Japanese already have a huge advantage in the US in that they do not
>>> pay any US federal corporate income taxes on the profit earned in the
>>> US. Raising taxes even higher, to buy votes for all of the "free" stuff
>>> Obama is promising, will only make it harder to compete with imports of
>>> all types.
>>>
>>> Americans are not like the Japanese, who support their own industries,
>>> Americans will buy from anywhere if they think they can save a few
>>> dollars. Just look how much they buy now of the products made in China
>>> without regards to how it effects their own jobs.
>>>
>>> It seems to me the polls, showing Obama will win, is one of the primary
>>> things that are fueling the fall in the stock market today. Especially
>>> when one considers the fact that new, and formerly owned, home sales
>>> were up two percent and the umimployment rate went down last month and
>>> it appears to be getting even better so far this month, the market
>>> should not be going down but it is.
>>>
>>>
>> Obama is hell bent on seeing the US auto industry survive, just listen to
>> his speeches on how wants manufacturing bought back to the US as well as
>> the US auto industry on solid footing.
>
>
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"Mike Hunter" wrote in message

> You obviously have never owned a business! How can you believe that he
> wants to "help" corporations when he is TELLING you he will raise taxes on
> corporations and capital gains, that will make it even more difficult to
> manufacture anything in the US?
>
> How often has he said he will not give tax brakes to corporation the send
> jobs overseas? The fact is there is NO IRS regulation that results in,
> or even offers, a tax deduction to ANY US corporation "for sending jobs
> over seas."
>
>
There is no getting around paying taxes, We all will pay, its just a matter
of how much. I would rather have big business pay more taxes than me, yet I
am still for big business so your comment really makes no sense about can't
have it both ways. If a company is on solid footing then paying taxes will
not kill the company. If you run your business right then taxes will not
make or break your business. And yes I have owned a business.
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"Mike Hunter" wrote in message

> You are entitled to your own opinion no matter how convoluted it may be,
> but what I posted is factual.
>
No what you posted is simply a biased opinion.
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Like I said, you obviously have never owned a business! I have, and like
every other business when ones costs of doing business go up, be it taxes,
government regulations, material or labor cost, those costs are passed on to
the consumer, at the percentage of profit at which one operates.

Historically the Democrats have tax business so you do not know that it is
you the consumer that actually pays those taxes. The result is it becomes
more difficult to do business in this county when one has so many foreign
cooperators that do not have anywhere near the costs imposed on US
businesses thus sending more jobs offshore.

You can bet YOU do not pay anywhere near the current 43% of what your earn
to the federal government, as does a business on its profits, over and above
all other state and local taxes paid by business.

"Tyrone Lamont Epstein" wrote in message

>
> "Mike Hunter" wrote in message
>
>> You obviously have never owned a business! How can you believe that he
>> wants to "help" corporations when he is TELLING you he will raise taxes
>> on corporations and capital gains, that will make it even more difficult
>> to manufacture anything in the US?
>>
>> How often has he said he will not give tax brakes to corporation the send
>> jobs overseas? The fact is there is NO IRS regulation that results in,
>> or even offers, a tax deduction to ANY US corporation "for sending jobs
>> over seas."
>>
>>
> There is no getting around paying taxes, We all will pay, its just a
> matter of how much. I would rather have big business pay more taxes than
> me, yet I am still for big business so your comment really makes no sense
> about can't have it both ways. If a company is on solid footing then
> paying taxes will not kill the company. If you run your business right
> then taxes will not make or break your business. And yes I have owned a
> business.
>
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I guess we can assume you skipped your Economics 101 glass, it you think
that was an opinion.


"Tyrone Lamont Epstein" wrote in message

>
> "Mike Hunter" wrote in message
>
>> You are entitled to your own opinion no matter how convoluted it may be,
>> but what I posted is factual.
>>
> No what you posted is simply a biased opinion.
>
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It doesn't make a difference what the presidential candidates are for.
If the US auto industry is to survive, they need the US people to
support them, not the US Government.

On Oct 27, 11:14�am, "Gomer Pyloshit" wrote:
> If so who? I have a frieind in the detroit area and he and others are taking
> beating.
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"Mike Hunter" wrote in message

> Like I said, you obviously have never owned a business! I have, and like
> every other business when ones costs of doing business go up, be it taxes,
> government regulations, material or labor cost, those costs are passed on
> to the consumer, at the percentage of profit at which one operates.
>
> Historically the Democrats have tax business so you do not know that it is
> you the consumer that actually pays those taxes. The result is it becomes
> more difficult to do business in this county when one has so many foreign
> cooperators that do not have anywhere near the costs imposed on US
> businesses thus sending more jobs offshore.
>
> You can bet YOU do not pay anywhere near the current 43% of what your earn
> to the federal government, as does a business on its profits, over and
> above all other state and local taxes paid by business.
>
> "Tyrone Lamont Epstein" wrote in message
>
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" wrote in message
>>
>>> You obviously have never owned a business! How can you believe that he
>>> wants to "help" corporations when he is TELLING you he will raise taxes
>>> on corporations and capital gains, that will make it even more difficult
>>> to manufacture anything in the US?
>>>
>>> How often has he said he will not give tax brakes to corporation the
>>> send jobs overseas? The fact is there is NO IRS regulation that
>>> results in, or even offers, a tax deduction to ANY US corporation "for
>>> sending jobs over seas."
>>>
>>>
>> There is no getting around paying taxes, We all will pay, its just a
>> matter of how much. I would rather have big business pay more taxes than
>> me, yet I am still for big business so your comment really makes no sense
>> about can't have it both ways. If a company is on solid footing then
>> paying taxes will not kill the company. If you run your business right
>> then taxes will not make or break your business. And yes I have owned a
>> business.
>>
>
>
Wow...looks like Obama was for helping the US auto industry after all, since
he was all for the loan approval, pretty much kills your theory/opinion.
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