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Von Fourche

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:55 am
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I just got back from the U.S. Nationals at Indy. I spent the whole
week there - Tuesday thru today (Sunday night), so I got to see a lot of
drag racing. This was my first NHRA drag race.

I had a blast. The Nitro dragsters and funny cars were awesome. Pro Stock
bikes were fun and different. Pro Stock was a little bland but competitive.
Alcohol dragsters and funny cars were also fun to watch. Pro Mods were
awesome! Bracket racing was confusing and hard to follow. I never new such a
thing existed. I found it very boring but I will say I knew nothing about
bracket racing. I thought all drag races involved drivers trying to go as
fast as possible. Not trying to not go under a certain time.

Anyway, I have questions dealing with E.T. time:

I am completely confused about E.T. time. During an NHRA Nitro race
between top fuel dragsters or funny cars, the cars can go as soon as they
see the green light. Correct? Once the cars cross a certain point it
triggers the timer, correct? And once the car reaches the finish line the
E.T. timer stops. So E.T. time is from when the car crosses start line to
the finish line. Correct?

If all of this is correct then what about qualifying? When two cars
(or one) line up to qualify, can a driver sit and not move after the green
light has come on? Why should he move if the timer does not start until he
crosses the start line? Or does the timer start counting down once the
green light flashes? What time is used for qualifying? Total time or E.T.
time?

The timing boards at Indy had a row of flashing lights that would indicate
the car that crossed the finish line first. Below that was the drivers E.T.
and below that was the drivers speed. I was watching Nitro qualifying on my
Tivo and watching Schumacher's run. He went to the number one spot. ESPN
showed his reaction time and E.T. They then put his name on top of the board
showing him in the number one place. Beside his name was his E.T. time. Now
why did they show his E.T. time? Shouldn't the drivers position be based on
total time - the time from when the green light comes on to the time they
crossed the finish line? If it's based on E.T. then why not sit back and
wait a few seconds for the green light, take a deep breath, and then punch
it when you are good and ready?

Can anybody explain all this to me in a simple way?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:55 am
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Von Fourche wrote:
> I just got back from the U.S. Nationals at Indy. I spent the whole
> week there - Tuesday thru today (Sunday night), so I got to see a lot of
> drag racing. This was my first NHRA drag race.
>
> I had a blast. The Nitro dragsters and funny cars were awesome. Pro Stock
> bikes were fun and different. Pro Stock was a little bland but competitive.
> Alcohol dragsters and funny cars were also fun to watch. Pro Mods were
> awesome! Bracket racing was confusing and hard to follow. I never new such a
> thing existed. I found it very boring but I will say I knew nothing about
> bracket racing. I thought all drag races involved drivers trying to go as
> fast as possible. Not trying to not go under a certain time.
>
> Anyway, I have questions dealing with E.T. time:
>
> I am completely confused about E.T. time. During an NHRA Nitro race
> between top fuel dragsters or funny cars, the cars can go as soon as they
> see the green light. Correct? Once the cars cross a certain point it
> triggers the timer, correct? And once the car reaches the finish line the
> E.T. timer stops. So E.T. time is from when the car crosses start line to
> the finish line. Correct?
>
> If all of this is correct then what about qualifying? When two cars
> (or one) line up to qualify, can a driver sit and not move after the green
> light has come on? Why should he move if the timer does not start until he
> crosses the start line? Or does the timer start counting down once the
> green light flashes? What time is used for qualifying? Total time or E.T.
> time?
>
> The timing boards at Indy had a row of flashing lights that would indicate
> the car that crossed the finish line first. Below that was the drivers E.T.
> and below that was the drivers speed. I was watching Nitro qualifying on my
> Tivo and watching Schumacher's run. He went to the number one spot. ESPN
> showed his reaction time and E.T. They then put his name on top of the board
> showing him in the number one place. Beside his name was his E.T. time. Now
> why did they show his E.T. time? Shouldn't the drivers position be based on
> total time - the time from when the green light comes on to the time they
> crossed the finish line? If it's based on E.T. then why not sit back and
> wait a few seconds for the green light, take a deep breath, and then punch
> it when you are good and ready?
>
> Can anybody explain all this to me in a simple way?

No. During competition, the timer starts as soon as the light turns
green. Period. Not the same as qualifying. Which is why you see
holeshot wins because the ET is based on who got to the finish line
first, not who ran the quicker ET. And they better not go as soon as
they see the green light, they'll be way late. You have to leave as
soon as you see the yellow light. But not cross the beams before the
green light comes on.

Basically during qualifying the ET is from when you cross the starting
beam, to when you cross the finish beam. During competition however,
it's from when the light turns green, to when you cross the finish line
beam.

And yes, I completely agree bracket racing or throttle stop racing is
boring. That's when I go to the pits and check out the cars.

Raymond

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:55 am
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Von Fourche wrote:
> I just got back from the U.S. Nationals at Indy. I spent the whole
> week there - Tuesday thru today (Sunday night), so I got to see a lot of
> drag racing. This was my first NHRA drag race.
>
> I had a blast. The Nitro dragsters and funny cars were awesome. Pro Stock
> bikes were fun and different. Pro Stock was a little bland but competitive.
> Alcohol dragsters and funny cars were also fun to watch. Pro Mods were
> awesome! Bracket racing was confusing and hard to follow. I never new such a
> thing existed. I found it very boring but I will say I knew nothing about
> bracket racing. I thought all drag races involved drivers trying to go as
> fast as possible. Not trying to not go under a certain time.
>
> Anyway, I have questions dealing with E.T. time:
>
> I am completely confused about E.T. time. During an NHRA Nitro race
> between top fuel dragsters or funny cars, the cars can go as soon as they
> see the green light. Correct? Once the cars cross a certain point it
> triggers the timer, correct? And once the car reaches the finish line the
> E.T. timer stops. So E.T. time is from when the car crosses start line to
> the finish line. Correct?
>
> If all of this is correct then what about qualifying? When two cars
> (or one) line up to qualify, can a driver sit and not move after the green
> light has come on? Why should he move if the timer does not start until he
> crosses the start line? Or does the timer start counting down once the
> green light flashes? What time is used for qualifying? Total time or E.T.
> time?
>
> The timing boards at Indy had a row of flashing lights that would indicate
> the car that crossed the finish line first. Below that was the drivers E.T.
> and below that was the drivers speed. I was watching Nitro qualifying on my
> Tivo and watching Schumacher's run. He went to the number one spot. ESPN
> showed his reaction time and E.T. They then put his name on top of the board
> showing him in the number one place. Beside his name was his E.T. time. Now
> why did they show his E.T. time? Shouldn't the drivers position be based on
> total time - the time from when the green light comes on to the time they
> crossed the finish line? If it's based on E.T. then why not sit back and
> wait a few seconds for the green light, take a deep breath, and then punch
> it when you are good and ready?
>
> Can anybody explain all this to me in a simple way?

No. During competition, the timer starts as soon as the light turns
green. Period. Not the same as qualifying. Which is why you see
holeshot wins because the ET is based on who got to the finish line
first, not who ran the quicker ET. And they better not go as soon as
they see the green light, they'll be way late. You have to leave as
soon as you see the yellow light. But not cross the beams before the
green light comes on.

Basically during qualifying the ET is from when you cross the starting
beam, to when you cross the finish beam. During competition however,
it's from when the light turns green, to when you cross the finish line
beam.

And yes, I completely agree bracket racing or throttle stop racing is
boring. That's when I go to the pits and check out the cars.

Raymond
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:20 am
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In article ,
says...
>
> Von Fourche wrote:
> > I just got back from the U.S. Nationals at Indy. I spent the whole
> > week there - Tuesday thru today (Sunday night), so I got to see a lot of
> > drag racing. This was my first NHRA drag race.
> >
> > I had a blast. The Nitro dragsters and funny cars were awesome. Pro Stock
> > bikes were fun and different. Pro Stock was a little bland but competitive.
> > Alcohol dragsters and funny cars were also fun to watch. Pro Mods were
> > awesome! Bracket racing was confusing and hard to follow. I never new such a
> > thing existed. I found it very boring but I will say I knew nothing about
> > bracket racing. I thought all drag races involved drivers trying to go as
> > fast as possible. Not trying to not go under a certain time.
> >
> > Anyway, I have questions dealing with E.T. time:
> >
> > I am completely confused about E.T. time. During an NHRA Nitro race
> > between top fuel dragsters or funny cars, the cars can go as soon as they
> > see the green light. Correct? Once the cars cross a certain point it
> > triggers the timer, correct? And once the car reaches the finish line the
> > E.T. timer stops. So E.T. time is from when the car crosses start line to
> > the finish line. Correct?
> >
> > If all of this is correct then what about qualifying? When two cars
> > (or one) line up to qualify, can a driver sit and not move after the green
> > light has come on? Why should he move if the timer does not start until he
> > crosses the start line? Or does the timer start counting down once the
> > green light flashes? What time is used for qualifying? Total time or E.T.
> > time?
> >
> > The timing boards at Indy had a row of flashing lights that would indicate
> > the car that crossed the finish line first. Below that was the drivers E.T.
> > and below that was the drivers speed. I was watching Nitro qualifying on my
> > Tivo and watching Schumacher's run. He went to the number one spot. ESPN
> > showed his reaction time and E.T. They then put his name on top of the board
> > showing him in the number one place. Beside his name was his E.T. time. Now
> > why did they show his E.T. time? Shouldn't the drivers position be based on
> > total time - the time from when the green light comes on to the time they
> > crossed the finish line? If it's based on E.T. then why not sit back and
> > wait a few seconds for the green light, take a deep breath, and then punch
> > it when you are good and ready?
> >
> > Can anybody explain all this to me in a simple way?
>
> No. During competition, the timer starts as soon as the light turns
> green. Period.

NO NO NO! The timers ALWAYS start when the car moves enough to trigger
it, that's why there are holeshot wins! The car can sit there for 3
minutes after the green comes on, and theoretically still run a 4.51 ET,
qualifying or during a race.

> Not the same as qualifying.

Nothing changes during qualifying, except red lights don't matter in
qualifying.


> Which is why you see
> holeshot wins because the ET is based on who got to the finish line
> first, not who ran the quicker ET.

No, the ET is based on what the car runs guy, If car A leaves .1 second
quicker than car B, but car B runs .2 seconds quicker, car B will win.
That's a holeshot.

This is simple stuff, how can you get it so screwed up?

> And they better not go as soon as
> they see the green light, they'll be way late. You have to leave as
> soon as you see the yellow light. But not cross the beams before the
> green light comes on.

Well, you've got this part 100% correct anyway.

>
> Basically during qualifying the ET is from when you cross the starting
> beam, to when you cross the finish beam. During competition however,
> it's from when the light turns green, to when you cross the finish line
> beam.

And here you go again. Totally incorrect. NOTHING changes from
qualifying and eliminations except that red lights don't count in
qualifying. That's IT. I've been following drag racing for over 40
years, and since the tree came along, it's always been that way.

>
> And yes, I completely agree bracket racing or throttle stop racing is
> boring.

Bracket racing is fine, throttle stop racing is the definition of
boring.

> That's when I go to the pits and check out the cars.

Maybe you should check out how the timers and stuff works.


BDK

>
> Raymond
>
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:10 am
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In article ,
says...
>
> I just got back from the U.S. Nationals at Indy. I spent the whole
> week there - Tuesday thru today (Sunday night), so I got to see a lot of
> drag racing. This was my first NHRA drag race.
>
> I had a blast. The Nitro dragsters and funny cars were awesome. Pro Stock
> bikes were fun and different. Pro Stock was a little bland but competitive.
> Alcohol dragsters and funny cars were also fun to watch. Pro Mods were
> awesome! Bracket racing was confusing and hard to follow. I never new such a
> thing existed. I found it very boring but I will say I knew nothing about
> bracket racing. I thought all drag races involved drivers trying to go as
> fast as possible. Not trying to not go under a certain time.

You are probably talking about the cars that have the throttle stops,
and yes, they are boring. But normal bracket racing isn't run at
national events, mostly just at local tracks. It's a lot of fun, since
there are no throttle stops and other nonsense used. I used to drive a
Big Block Vega 25+ years ago, and sometimes I would run a car several
seconds slower. Chasing him down after he gets a four second head start
is awesome. They didn't have the .90 cars (the ones with the
throttlestops) back then, just different brackets, like 12.00 and under,
12.01 to 14.00, etc. I was driving a car that ran around 10.20's in 100+
degree weather, and sometimes, there were only a couple dozen cars that
would show up, and so all the cars, no matter how slow or fast they were
would run against each other. I ran against a 16.50 Oldsmobile "Dynamic
88" once in a semi final. He got a 6.2 second head start on me. Sitting
there watching him roll down the strip, and your tree not even coming
down yet is very odd, you have to just sit there and do your thing, not
worry about him. I caught him right at the finish line, and broke out
(ran faster than the quickest time I could run) by a couple of
thousandths. He ran a hundreth off his "dial in" (the time he can't go
faster than), and went to the final, where his opponent red lighted way
early, he couldn't take watching the other car get a huge head start,
and left way early.


>
> Anyway, I have questions dealing with E.T. time:
>
> I am completely confused about E.T. time. During an NHRA Nitro race
> between top fuel dragsters or funny cars, the cars can go as soon as they
> see the green light. Correct? Once the cars cross a certain point it
> triggers the timer, correct? And once the car reaches the finish line the
> E.T. timer stops. So E.T. time is from when the car crosses start line to
> the finish line. Correct?

Yes. You would normally hit the throttle as soon as you see yellow
though. There's your reflex time, plus the time it takes for the car to
react, it's not instantaneous. The Pro Stock bikes react so quickly
that's it's easy to red light.

>
> If all of this is correct then what about qualifying? When two cars
> (or one) line up to qualify, can a driver sit and not move after the green
> light has come on?

Yes, he can theoretically sit there for an hour, and still run a 4.40
ET.


> Why should he move if the timer does not start until he
> crosses the start line?

I don't understand the question. Are you asking why he would try to cut
a decent light while qualifying? One word answer, PRACTICE. You always
try to do things exactly the same, every time you go down the track,
like a robot.

> Or does the timer start counting down once the
> green light flashes?

No, it ALWAYS starts when the car movement triggers the time clocks to
start.

> What time is used for qualifying? Total time or E.T.
> time?

There is no other time but E.T! Reaction time only matters during a
race.

>
> The timing boards at Indy had a row of flashing lights that would indicate
> the car that crossed the finish line first. Below that was the drivers E.T.
> and below that was the drivers speed. I was watching Nitro qualifying on my
> Tivo and watching Schumacher's run. He went to the number one spot. ESPN
> showed his reaction time and E.T. They then put his name on top of the board
> showing him in the number one place. Beside his name was his E.T. time. Now
> why did they show his E.T. time?

Because there is no other time! The reaction time only matters during a
RACE! And if you do as well on reaction time as your opponent, you did
your job as a driver. If you can beat the other driver's reaction time,
you will win a couple of races where you run a slower time. This is
called a "Holeshot".

> Shouldn't the drivers position be based on
> total time - the time from when the green light comes on to the time they
> crossed the finish line?

No! there is no "total time"! The reaction time only shows how close you
are to cutting a perfect light, .000 now, in the old system it was .400,
this was changed a couple of years ago to make it clearer for newbies to
understand. And reaction time only matters if there is another car
sitting next to you on RACE DAY.

> If it's based on E.T. then why not sit back and
> wait a few seconds for the green light, take a deep breath, and then punch
> it when you are good and ready?

In qualifying, that's what happens sometimes. But in a race it's whoever
gets to the finish line first, PERIOD. E.T. doesn't matter, it's just
who's first across the finish after the green comes on. That's why races
are won on holeshots. One driver leaves first, cutting a better light,
and unless the other car can cover that head start by running a better
E.T. that gets him to the finish line first, the slower car wins, even
though he runs a slower E.T.

Here is a first round Funny car holeshot win:

CLERMONT, Ind. - SUMMIT FastNews - Results of round 1 eliminations in
Funny Car at the NHRA POWERade Drag Racing Series, 52nd annual Mac Tools
U.S. Nationals:

W/L Driver R-Time E-Time Speed

(W) Phil Burkart (Checker Schucks & Kragen Mont 0.054 4.789 323.58
(L) Gary Scelzi (Hemi Oakley Charger) 0.116 4.731 330.96

11:27 a.m. Weather conditions: air temperature 71 degrees, relative
humidity 57 percent, barometer 29.48 inches, adjusted altitude 1,565
feet, track temperature 84 degrees.

That was an exciting round of Top fuel so see how the Funny Cars follow
up. Burkart has had Scelzi's number and owns a lifetime 6-3 record over
him. The drubbing continues. Scelzi was very late and Burkart took full
advantage. Phil Burkart's MOV: 0.0047 seconds (approximately 2 feet).
____________________________________________________________________

As you can see above, Scelzi was .05 seconds quicker, and still lost,
because he was late leaving by about .06 seconds. If the cars left at
the same time, Scelzi would have won.

This happens a lot, some drivers are killers on the tree, able to beat
most, if not all the other drivers reaction time, but if they come up
against a much quicker car, they still usually lose, unless the other
driver is late. Some drivers just aren't good leavers. I myself was "hot
and cold", if I was on a roll, I was insanely great, but if I was having
a bad day, I sucked, and to compensate, I would really try to leave
better, and I would red light quite often when I got like that. But if I
was on, I could cut great light after light after light, and that would
win me rounds that I probably should have lost.

>
> Can anybody explain all this to me in a simple way?

I hope I just did.


BDK
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:32 pm
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With regards to bracket racing or throttle stop racing, I too USED to
think they were boring. However, since the first time I went to the
drag races back in the 80's, I've actually helped out on both a Super
Comp car (8.90 index) and a Super Street car (10.90 index - not run at
national events). After doing this, I have a MUCH greater appreciation
for these classes. Although when they have a HUGE number of entries,
they do get boring. But there is a LOT to "running the number" with
these cars.

And reaction time? For Super Street, we raced on a 0.500 pro tree. To
be competitive, your really needed a "teen" light (0.51X). And again,
to "run the number," there is a LOT to it!
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> In article ,
> says...
>>
>> I just got back from the U.S. Nationals at Indy. I spent the whole
>> week there - Tuesday thru today (Sunday night), so I got to see a lot of
>> drag racing. This was my first NHRA drag race.
>>
>> I had a blast. The Nitro dragsters and funny cars were awesome. Pro Stock
>> bikes were fun and different. Pro Stock was a little bland but
>> competitive.
>> Alcohol dragsters and funny cars were also fun to watch. Pro Mods were
>> awesome! Bracket racing was confusing and hard to follow. I never new
>> such a
>> thing existed. I found it very boring but I will say I knew nothing about
>> bracket racing. I thought all drag races involved drivers trying to go as
>> fast as possible. Not trying to not go under a certain time.
>
> You are probably talking about the cars that have the throttle stops,
> and yes, they are boring. But normal bracket racing isn't run at
> national events, mostly just at local tracks. It's a lot of fun, since
> there are no throttle stops and other nonsense used. I used to drive a
> Big Block Vega 25+ years ago, and sometimes I would run a car several
> seconds slower. Chasing him down after he gets a four second head start
> is awesome. They didn't have the .90 cars (the ones with the
> throttlestops) back then, just different brackets, like 12.00 and under,
> 12.01 to 14.00, etc. I was driving a car that ran around 10.20's in 100+
> degree weather, and sometimes, there were only a couple dozen cars that
> would show up, and so all the cars, no matter how slow or fast they were
> would run against each other. I ran against a 16.50 Oldsmobile "Dynamic
> 88" once in a semi final. He got a 6.2 second head start on me. Sitting
> there watching him roll down the strip, and your tree not even coming
> down yet is very odd, you have to just sit there and do your thing, not
> worry about him. I caught him right at the finish line, and broke out
> (ran faster than the quickest time I could run) by a couple of
> thousandths. He ran a hundreth off his "dial in" (the time he can't go
> faster than), and went to the final, where his opponent red lighted way
> early, he couldn't take watching the other car get a huge head start,
> and left way early.
>
>
>>
>> Anyway, I have questions dealing with E.T. time:
>>
>> I am completely confused about E.T. time. During an NHRA Nitro race
>> between top fuel dragsters or funny cars, the cars can go as soon as they
>> see the green light. Correct? Once the cars cross a certain point it
>> triggers the timer, correct? And once the car reaches the finish line the
>> E.T. timer stops. So E.T. time is from when the car crosses start line to
>> the finish line. Correct?
>
> Yes. You would normally hit the throttle as soon as you see yellow
> though. There's your reflex time, plus the time it takes for the car to
> react, it's not instantaneous. The Pro Stock bikes react so quickly
> that's it's easy to red light.
>
>>
>> If all of this is correct then what about qualifying? When two cars
>> (or one) line up to qualify, can a driver sit and not move after the
>> green
>> light has come on?
>
> Yes, he can theoretically sit there for an hour, and still run a 4.40
> ET.
>
>
>> Why should he move if the timer does not start until he
>> crosses the start line?
>
> I don't understand the question. Are you asking why he would try to cut
> a decent light while qualifying? One word answer, PRACTICE. You always
> try to do things exactly the same, every time you go down the track,
> like a robot.
>
>> Or does the timer start counting down once the
>> green light flashes?
>
> No, it ALWAYS starts when the car movement triggers the time clocks to
> start.
>
>> What time is used for qualifying? Total time or E.T.
>> time?
>
> There is no other time but E.T! Reaction time only matters during a
> race.
>
>>
>> The timing boards at Indy had a row of flashing lights that would
>> indicate
>> the car that crossed the finish line first. Below that was the drivers
>> E.T.
>> and below that was the drivers speed. I was watching Nitro qualifying on
>> my
>> Tivo and watching Schumacher's run. He went to the number one spot. ESPN
>> showed his reaction time and E.T. They then put his name on top of the
>> board
>> showing him in the number one place. Beside his name was his E.T. time.
>> Now
>> why did they show his E.T. time?
>
> Because there is no other time! The reaction time only matters during a
> RACE! And if you do as well on reaction time as your opponent, you did
> your job as a driver. If you can beat the other driver's reaction time,
> you will win a couple of races where you run a slower time. This is
> called a "Holeshot".
>
>> Shouldn't the drivers position be based on
>> total time - the time from when the green light comes on to the time they
>> crossed the finish line?
>
> No! there is no "total time"! The reaction time only shows how close you
> are to cutting a perfect light, .000 now, in the old system it was .400,
> this was changed a couple of years ago to make it clearer for newbies to
> understand. And reaction time only matters if there is another car
> sitting next to you on RACE DAY.
>
>> If it's based on E.T. then why not sit back and
>> wait a few seconds for the green light, take a deep breath, and then
>> punch
>> it when you are good and ready?
>
> In qualifying, that's what happens sometimes. But in a race it's whoever
> gets to the finish line first, PERIOD. E.T. doesn't matter, it's just
> who's first across the finish after the green comes on. That's why races
> are won on holeshots. One driver leaves first, cutting a better light,
> and unless the other car can cover that head start by running a better
> E.T. that gets him to the finish line first, the slower car wins, even
> though he runs a slower E.T.
>
> Here is a first round Funny car holeshot win:
>
> CLERMONT, Ind. - SUMMIT FastNews - Results of round 1 eliminations in
> Funny Car at the NHRA POWERade Drag Racing Series, 52nd annual Mac Tools
> U.S. Nationals:
>
> W/L Driver R-Time E-Time Speed
>
> (W) Phil Burkart (Checker Schucks & Kragen Mont 0.054 4.789 323.58
> (L) Gary Scelzi (Hemi Oakley Charger) 0.116 4.731 330.96
>
> 11:27 a.m. Weather conditions: air temperature 71 degrees, relative
> humidity 57 percent, barometer 29.48 inches, adjusted altitude 1,565
> feet, track temperature 84 degrees.
>
> That was an exciting round of Top fuel so see how the Funny Cars follow
> up. Burkart has had Scelzi's number and owns a lifetime 6-3 record over
> him. The drubbing continues. Scelzi was very late and Burkart took full
> advantage. Phil Burkart's MOV: 0.0047 seconds (approximately 2 feet).
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
> As you can see above, Scelzi was .05 seconds quicker, and still lost,
> because he was late leaving by about .06 seconds. If the cars left at
> the same time, Scelzi would have won.
>
> This happens a lot, some drivers are killers on the tree, able to beat
> most, if not all the other drivers reaction time, but if they come up
> against a much quicker car, they still usually lose, unless the other
> driver is late. Some drivers just aren't good leavers. I myself was "hot
> and cold", if I was on a roll, I was insanely great, but if I was having
> a bad day, I sucked, and to compensate, I would really try to leave
> better, and I would red light quite often when I got like that. But if I
> was on, I could cut great light after light after light, and that would
> win me rounds that I probably should have lost.
>
>>
>> Can anybody explain all this to me in a simple way?
>

Yep, I think I understand. So in qualifying you can't get the red
light? If a driver punches it before the green his E.T. will still be
counted?

And, if I'm in a dragster in the last qualifying period, and it's me in
the left lane and Schumacher in the right lane, and we both have cars that
could go for the number one spot, when the green comes on I could just sit
there for five seconds while Schumacher makes his pass, and then make my
pass. Correct? Is there a time limit on how soon a car must leave the
start line to qualify or be disqualified? He can't sit there and play with
his fingers all day.
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Mike, in my opinion, the super classes are a racers class and not
particularly a spectators class, absolutely boring to watch, and the
throttle stop just kills what little bit of fan appeal it my of had, but I
agree that the racer (in the super classes) love it and thats all that
counts.... bob


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> With regards to bracket racing or throttle stop racing, I too USED to
> think they were boring. However, since the first time I went to the
> drag races back in the 80's, I've actually helped out on both a Super
> Comp car (8.90 index) and a Super Street car (10.90 index - not run at
> national events). After doing this, I have a MUCH greater appreciation
> for these classes. Although when they have a HUGE number of entries,
> they do get boring. But there is a LOT to "running the number" with
> these cars.
>
> And reaction time? For Super Street, we raced on a 0.500 pro tree. To
> be competitive, your really needed a "teen" light (0.51X). And again,
> to "run the number," there is a LOT to it!
>
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In article ,
says...
> With regards to bracket racing or throttle stop racing, I too USED to
> think they were boring. However, since the first time I went to the
> drag races back in the 80's, I've actually helped out on both a Super
> Comp car (8.90 index) and a Super Street car (10.90 index - not run at
> national events). After doing this, I have a MUCH greater appreciation
> for these classes. Although when they have a HUGE number of entries,
> they do get boring. But there is a LOT to "running the number" with
> these cars.
>
> And reaction time? For Super Street, we raced on a 0.500 pro tree. To
> be competitive, your really needed a "teen" light (0.51X). And again,
> to "run the number," there is a LOT to it!
>
>

That's true, but it was so much better to watch without the electronic
BS. I do appreciate them to a certain extent, but when a car can run 8's
and is backed down to 9.90, its BS. The speeds some of them run is
insane.

BDK
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:55 am
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To make braket racing more enjoyable, that's when you start to bet with
spectators near you. Wagering makes all kinds of braket racing fun, unless
you can't pay.
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Mark Beauchamp wrote:
> To make braket racing more enjoyable, that's when you start to bet with
> spectators near you. Wagering makes all kinds of braket racing fun, unless
> you can't pay.

Bracket racing is (in itself) fun. More than a few of my competitors have
become my friends. I wouldn't risk the latter over money.
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Yes, some may think of bracket racing as being 'fun' for one reason or
another, and to those who enjoy it I say more power to you. Many of us,
however (myself included) consider it tedious at best. It serves a
purpose, and it's a necessary part of the sport, but give me T/F, F/C,
and P/S CARS and nothing else.


To each his own...


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Bracket racing is (in itself) fun. More than a few of my competitors
have become my friends. I wouldn't risk the latter over money.
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In article , LP204
@webtv.net says...
> Yes, some may think of bracket racing as being 'fun' for one reason or
> another, and to those who enjoy it I say more power to you. Many of us,
> however (myself included) consider it tedious at best. It serves a
> purpose, and it's a necessary part of the sport, but give me T/F, F/C,
> and P/S CARS and nothing else.
>
>
> To each his own...
>
>
> LPC
> ---------------------------
> bryan.swadenerNOSPAM DeleteThis @comcast.net (Bryan) wrote:
>
>
> Bracket racing is (in itself) fun. More than a few of my competitors
> have become my friends. I wouldn't risk the latter over money.
>
>

Actually, at this point in time, I would take brackets over PS. The
wrecks are about the only excitement in the entire class anymore.

BDK
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:31:31 -0400, BDK
wrote:

>Actually, at this point in time, I would take brackets over PS. The
>wrecks are about the only excitement in the entire class anymore.

I really enjoy the closeness of the competition in P/S but I do tend
to fast forward the TiVo through the burnouts and backing up and door
swinging.... Smile



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>> And, if I'm in a dragster in the last qualifying period, and it's me in
>> the left lane and Schumacher in the right lane, and we both have cars that
>> could go for the number one spot, when the green comes on I could just sit
>> there for five seconds while Schumacher makes his pass, and then make my
>> pass.

Not sure if this is allowed to such a dramatic degree, but either way,
it won't make you any friends out there. One thing to think about is
when (not IF, but WHEN) things go wrong. Lets say the other guy made
his pass, hit the chutes, and is slowing when you start your pass, ,
,, but, , ,your chutes fail . .. . .You are heading right for him/her,
going WAY faster. If you would have left at the same time, the other
person could keep an eye on you, ,seeing that your chute failed, ,
,and all is well.
There's alot of reasons that I see others have posted, , ,but this is
one reason not to do so.
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