Poor Toyota

Wickeddoll® wrote:
> "Jeff" ...
>> Mike hunt wrote:
>>> Actually the price difference, to drive on home a Prius over a Corolla
>>> with the same equipment, is more like $8,500. That $8,500 will buy 2150
>>> gallons of gas, before one starts to save one penny on fuel.
>>>
>>> In ten years the Corolla owner will not need to spend another $5,000
>>> (1250 gallons)to replace the battery to be able to sell their car.
>> Neither will the Prius owner. If I am incorrect, please show the evidence
>> that there have been a lot of problems with batteries that have not been
>> covered by the warranty.
>>
>> However, the price difference between a Prius and a comparably equipped
>> Camry is about $4000 (MSRP) and probably about $6000 drive home price.
>> That is a better comparion, IMHO.
>>
>> Although your dementia probably doesn't allow to remember it, we have been
>> through this recently. SO I will not waste any more time replying to you,
>> unless you have something worthwhile to offer. Basically, you're nor worth
>> my time.
>>
>> JEff
>
> I think the cockroach is still too expensive - and ugly.
>
> Natalie

Then buy a different car.

Jeff
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"Jeff" ...
> Wickeddoll® wrote:
>>> Mike hunt wrote:
>>>> Actually the price difference, to drive on home a Prius over a Corolla
>>>> with the same equipment, is more like $8,500. That $8,500 will buy
>>>> 2150 gallons of gas, before one starts to save one penny on fuel.
>>>>
>>>> In ten years the Corolla owner will not need to spend another $5,000
>>>> (1250 gallons)to replace the battery to be able to sell their car.
>>>>
>>> Neither will the Prius owner. If I am incorrect, please show the
>>> evidence that there have been a lot of problems with batteries that have
>>> not been covered by the warranty.
>>>
>>> However, the price difference between a Prius and a comparably equipped
>>> Camry is about $4000 (MSRP) and probably about $6000 drive home price.
>>> That is a better comparion, IMHO.
>>>
>>> Although your dementia probably doesn't allow to remember it, we have
>>> been through this recently. SO I will not waste any more time replying
>>> to you, unless you have something worthwhile to offer. Basically, you're
>>> nor worth my time.
>>>
>>> JEff
>>
>> I think the cockroach is still too expensive - and ugly.
>>
>> Natalie
>
> Then buy a different car.
>
> Jeff

I'm not buying a car for a long time, if I can help it. Maybe they'll make
a better looking hybrid by then.

Natalie
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Of course you are not correct, the warranty expires in ten years. The
Corolla IS the comparable car is size, not the Camry. When was the last
time you went to a dealership and obtained a total drive home price,
apparently not recently

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike hunt wrote:
>> Actually the price difference, to drive on home a Prius over a Corolla
>> with the same equipment, is more like $8,500. That $8,500 will buy 2150
>> gallons of gas, before one starts to save one penny on fuel.
>>
>> In ten years the Corolla owner will not need to spend another $5,000
>> (1250 gallons)to replace the battery to be able to sell their car.
>
> Neither will the Prius owner. If I am incorrect, please show the evidence
> that there have been a lot of problems with batteries that have not been
> covered by the warranty.
>
> However, the price difference between a Prius and a comparably equipped
> Camry is about $4000 (MSRP) and probably about $6000 drive home price.
> That is a better comparion, IMHO.
>
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Finally, some good advice, for a change, from our friend Jeff. The Corolla
is indeed a better buy overall

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wickeddoll. wrote:
>> "Jeff" ...
>>> Mike hunt wrote:
>>>> Actually the price difference, to drive on home a Prius over a Corolla
>>>> with the same equipment, is more like $8,500. That $8,500 will buy
>>>> 2150 gallons of gas, before one starts to save one penny on fuel.
>>>>
>>>> In ten years the Corolla owner will not need to spend another $5,000
>>>> (1250 gallons)to replace the battery to be able to sell their car.
>>>>
>>> Neither will the Prius owner. If I am incorrect, please show the
>>> evidence that there have been a lot of problems with batteries that have
>>> not been covered by the warranty.
>>>
>>> However, the price difference between a Prius and a comparably equipped
>>> Camry is about $4000 (MSRP) and probably about $6000 drive home price.
>>> That is a better comparion, IMHO.
>>>
>>> Although your dementia probably doesn't allow to remember it, we have
>>> been through this recently. SO I will not waste any more time replying
>>> to you, unless you have something worthwhile to offer. Basically, you're
>>> nor worth my time.
>>>
>>> JEff
>>
>> I think the cockroach is still too expensive - and ugly.
>>
>> Natalie
>
> Then buy a different car.
>
> Jeff
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:22:57 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:

>
> They can't meet demand for cockroaches...I mean Priuses


And they're crying all the way to the bank...
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"hachiroku"
Wickeddoll® wrote:
>
>>
>> They can't meet demand for cockroaches...I mean Priuses
>
>
> And they're crying all the way to the bank...
>
>

At least people *want* to pay the money that's making a corporation rich.

With Big Oil, it's an entirely different success story.



Natalie
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Wickeddoll® wrote:

>"hachiroku"
>Wickeddoll® wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>They can't meet demand for cockroaches...I mean Priuses
>>
>>
>>And they're crying all the way to the bank...
>>
>>
>
>At least people want to pay the money that's making a corporation
>rich.
>
>With Big Oil, it's an entirely different success story.
>

What, that they happen to be in the business that is caught in the
middle between oil barons and politicians with their hands out?
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"badgolferman" ...
> Wickeddoll® wrote:
>
>>"hachiroku"
>>>>They can't meet demand for cockroaches...I mean Priuses
>>>
>>>
>>>And they're crying all the way to the bank...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>At least people want to pay the money that's making a corporation
>>rich.
>>
>>With Big Oil, it's an entirely different success story.
>>
>
> What, that they happen to be in the business that is caught in the
> middle between oil barons and politicians with their hands out?

That, and the fact that windfall taxes got shot down.

Natalie
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"C. E. White"...
>
> "Wickeddoll®" ...
>> They can't meet demand for cockroaches...I mean Priuses
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25189701/
>>
>> Natalie
>
> This is the sort of problem that both Ford and GM wish they had. Well, I
> suppose they do sort of have this problem. Apparently Ford is adding extra
> shifts to produce Foci, and they can't get enough hybrid stuff from Aisin
> AW to keep up with the demand for hybrid Escapes and Mariners. And even GM
> can't keep up with the demand for hybrid Tahoes.

Really? Cool. But as for adding extra shifts, that doesn't surprise me,
since they've laid off so many workers in the first place. I suppose if
you're well off enough to have a really large vehicle, gas prices don't
really affect you much.
>
> I have to wonder if this is not a massive over-reaction. I was just
> looking over my operating costs for the cars I own (for me and two sons in
> college)....I am spending more on insurance than gas.

Hasn't that *always* been the way?!
>
> I still say if people would drive 10% less, the gas price would drop back
> to 2007 levels. But I suppose this is not going to happen. The press
> claims people are driving less, but you'd never tell it from the traffic
> in the Raleigh area.
>
> Ed

Raleigh's still not as bad as most large American cities.

In Fayetteville, I'm seeing an awful lot more folks riding the bus. This
thing might actually have a positive outcome, if we can wrestle Americans
away from their beloved vehicles.

Natalie
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"C. E. White" ...
>
> "Wickeddoll®" ...
>
>> I think the cockroach is still too expensive - and ugly.
>>
>> Natalie
>
> I'll admit it is an acquired taste, but they have grown on me. They are
> really common in the Raleigh area. One co-worker and my SO's Mother have
> one. They are both happy owners. I have not driven one, but I have sat in
> them several times. The driving positions fine, with plenty of room for a
> large guy. However, the view out the rear is horrible. And it is my
> opinion that they are nowhere near as roomy as a Camry no matter what the
> interior volume numbers claim. I think the size correct comparison is with
> a Corolla, not a Camry. They are very narrow and a lot of the interior
> volume is unusable unless you are storing ping pong balls.
>
> Ed
>

I can't believe anyone would think a Prius is roomier or even anywhere near
as roomy as a Camry, anyway!

The interior sounds like my Echo. All those slots hold a lot of CDs, but
since I've had an iPod, I haven't needed that space, but...

Natalie
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"C. E. White" ...
>
> "Wickeddoll®"
>> That, and the fact that windfall taxes got shot down.
>>
>> Natalie
>
> Windfall taxes are a horrible idea. Can you even define what constitutes a
> windfall? Should we hit IBM with windfall taxes? They have been doing
> pretty well for a couple of quarters (mostly do to the falling value of
> the dollar and offshore sourcing - sort of like oil companies).
>
> It seems to me that the call for windfall taxes is motivated by revenge.
> When did it become crimial to sell things for as much as you can get for
> them? I have a small farm, corn prices have trippled since last year.
> Should I have to pay windfall taxes (despite the fact that I probably
> won't make any more than last year becasue the price of everythign else
> has trippled too)?
>
> Ed
>
>

I know there are probably really good arguments against windfall tax, but
what about drilling our own oil? We need to stop getting sodomized by big
oil, for something as necessary as fuel.

Nobody seems to be able to explain that to me - can you?

Natalie
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:56:42 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:

> "badgolferman" ...
>> Wickeddoll® wrote:
>>
>>>"hachiroku"
>>>>>They can't meet demand for cockroaches...I mean Priuses
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And they're crying all the way to the bank...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>At least people want to pay the money that's making a corporation rich.
>>>
>>>With Big Oil, it's an entirely different success story.
>>>
>>>
>> What, that they happen to be in the business that is caught in the
>> middle between oil barons and politicians with their hands out?
>
> That, and the fact that windfall taxes got shot down.
>
> Natalie

THANK GOD!!!!

You or I would have *never* seen any of that money. At the best it should/
could have been used for the crumbling infrastructure, but chances are it
would go to pork, pet projects, or illegal aliens.
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"Cathy F." ...
>
> "Wickeddoll®" ...
>> "C. E. White" ...
>>>> I think the cockroach is still too expensive - and ugly.
>>>>
>>>> Natalie
>>>
>>> I'll admit it is an acquired taste, but they have grown on me. They are
>>> really common in the Raleigh area. One co-worker and my SO's Mother have
>>> one. They are both happy owners. I have not driven one, but I have sat
>>> in them several times. The driving positions fine, with plenty of room
>>> for a large guy. However, the view out the rear is horrible. And it is
>>> my opinion that they are nowhere near as roomy as a Camry no matter what
>>> the interior volume numbers claim. I think the size correct comparison
>>> is with a Corolla, not a Camry. They are very narrow and a lot of the
>>> interior volume is unusable unless you are storing ping pong balls.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>> I can't believe anyone would think a Prius is roomier or even anywhere
>> near as roomy as a Camry, anyway!
>
> Me. I think so. On the outside it doesn't look it, at all. The interior
> room is pretty amazing.
>
> Cathy
>
>
*snipping for the snip-impaired Cathy*

So the cockroach is more of a palmetto bug?



Natalie
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