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blake18

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:37 pm
Post subject: Poor Fuel Economy - 95 Camry
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Hello Folks-

I have a 95 Camry with 130,000 miles on it, recently the gas
mileage has been going downhill. The tank holds 15 gallons and the
last fill up did barely 300 miles, about 20mpg.... Any suggestions as
to where to start? Maybe a list of things to check? I searched this
group and came up with some ideas: checking an Oxygen Sensor, checking
for cracks the air intake tubing, other ideas anyone?
A few bits of history that might help. Several months ago I
fixed a leaking fuel line (vapor return I believe, much thanks to Ray
O), recently I reinstalled the oil drain pan and had to remove various
exhaust parts, I was a little questionable about how snuggly I got
things back together, the car doesn't sound "louder" to me, but could
a "leaky" exhaust system affect the fuel economy? The service records
on the car shows the spark plugs, wires, rotor, and disrupter cap all
replaced within the last year. I have no idea the quality or make of
the wires/plugs that were used, what are some opinions on the type/
make of the wires/plugs that should have been used? I see such a
range in prices for these items, is the price for the higher quality
justified, I seem to be getting mixed signals.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Sincerely,

Blake

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Ray O

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:36 pm
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"blake18" <zachenos.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Folks-
>

Some more vehicle info please...

4 cylinder or 6 cylinder engine?
Automatic or manual transmission?
What is your usual MPG?
What kind of driving do you do, i.e., city, highway, hilly terrain, etc.

More comments below after pertinent sections...

> I have a 95 Camry with 130,000 miles on it, recently the gas
> mileage has been going downhill. The tank holds 15 gallons and the
> last fill up did barely 300 miles, about 20mpg.... Any suggestions as
> to where to start? Maybe a list of things to check? I searched this
> group and came up with some ideas: checking an Oxygen Sensor, checking
> for cracks the air intake tubing, other ideas anyone?

Did you calculate mileage by dividing miles driven by gallons filled?


> A few bits of history that might help. Several months ago I
> fixed a leaking fuel line (vapor return I believe, much thanks to Ray
> O), recently I reinstalled the oil drain pan and had to remove various
> exhaust parts, I was a little questionable about how snuggly I got
> things back together, the car doesn't sound "louder" to me, but could
> a "leaky" exhaust system affect the fuel economy?

A leaky exhaust generally will not cause poor fuel mileage, although you run
the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning, asphyxiation, and failing emissions
tests with a leaky exhaust.

The service records
> on the car shows the spark plugs, wires, rotor, and disrupter cap all
> replaced within the last year. I have no idea the quality or make of
> the wires/plugs that were used, what are some opinions on the type/
> make of the wires/plugs that should have been used? I see such a
> range in prices for these items, is the price for the higher quality
> justified, I seem to be getting mixed signals.
>
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Blake
>

I believe in using OEM ignition parts - plugs, wires, rotor, distributor
(not disrupter) cap to avoid drivability problems. Some aftermarket
ignition parts work fine, some do not. I don't like experimenting, so I
recommend OEM. I have not seen aftermarket ignition parts cause poor fuel
mileage so I doubt if that is your car's problem.

OK, now for stuff to check in the order of likely cause of the problem and
ease of checking:

Check the air pressure in the tires (now is a good time to check the spare
while you are at it). I recommend inflating the tires about 3 to 5 PSI over
the manufacturer's recommended tire pressure to improve tire tread life and
fuel economy, with the tradeoff being a slightly harsher ride. I fill the
spare to the maximum listed on the tire and keep a tire pressure gauge in
the car. If I have to install the spare, I can use the gauge to let air out
of the spare if necessary.

Check the air filter to make sure it is not dirty. If you hold the air
filter element up to a light, you should be able to see the light clearly.
If the light is dim or you cannot see any light, change the air filter.

Check the mass air flow (MAF) sensor. It is the only device with wires
sticking out that is attached to the air filter housing. There is a tube
that protrudes into the air flowing out of the air filter, and inside the
tube is a fine wire. The MAF sensor is not supposed to be serviceable, but
you can try gently cleaning it with carburetor cleaner. Do not break the
wire inside the tube or you will be looking for a new MAF sensor for big $$.
Spray the car cleaner, let it drip dry, or maybe you can GENTLY swab it out
with a q-tip.

If the MAF sensor is really greasy or oily, change the PCV valve.

My guess is that low tire pressure, a dirty air filter, and a dirty MAF
sensor are combining to give poor mileage.

Check the condition of the automatic transmission fluid. It should be red
and translucent. If it is black or brown or smells burnt, think about
getting it changed soon. Do not get it flushed if you elect to change the
ATF.

Check the brakes to make sure they are not dragging.

Check ignition base timing.

Hope this helps, let us know how things work out.
Good luck!
--

Ray O
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Bruce L. Bergman

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:57 am
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On 14 Feb 2007 20:37:46 -0800, "blake18" <zachenos.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello Folks-
>
> I have a 95 Camry with 130,000 miles on it, recently the gas
>mileage has been going downhill. The tank holds 15 gallons and the
>last fill up did barely 300 miles, about 20mpg.... Any suggestions as
>to where to start? Maybe a list of things to check? I searched this
>group and came up with some ideas: checking an Oxygen Sensor, checking
>for cracks the air intake tubing, other ideas anyone?

Emissions laws - Ask the gas stations what they are selling you. If
they recently started adding a lot of Ethanol to the gasoline for
emissions, that will drop the BTU content per gallon of fuel and
therefore the fuel mileage you can get out of said gallon - a LOT.

California had it first with MTBE, and the mileage drop was
dramatic. Thanks to the Environmentalists screaming "The Sky Is
Falling!" it's being expanded to other areas, though they have moved
to Ethanol and away from MTBE because it's a very persistent pollutant
if it gets into water sources.

> A few bits of history that might help. Several months ago I
>fixed a leaking fuel line (vapor return I believe, much thanks to Ray
>O), recently I reinstalled the oil drain pan and had to remove various
>exhaust parts, I was a little questionable about how snuggly I got
>things back together, the car doesn't sound "louder" to me, but could
>a "leaky" exhaust system affect the fuel economy? The service records
>on the car shows the spark plugs, wires, rotor, and disrupter cap all
>replaced within the last year. I have no idea the quality or make of
>the wires/plugs that were used, what are some opinions on the type/
>make of the wires/plugs that should have been used? I see such a
>range in prices for these items, is the price for the higher quality
>justified, I seem to be getting mixed signals.

Ignition parts are critical for a proper running car, they have to
handle 50,000 Volts Plus reliably, and that's not easy. Coil, cap,
rotor and wires (and to a lesser extent the plugs) are critical to get
OEM Quality, and the only place to be absolutely sure of that is at
the Dealer parts counter.

There are so many cosmetically perfect knockoffs of the name brand
parts out there (complete with exact copy packaging) that they
outnumber the real ones. But cosmetics don't count in critical parts,
they have to work properly.

I'd have someone check over the car, hook up an old-fashioned
exhaust gas analyzer and see if the mixture is right or not.

--<< Bruce >>--
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edv

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:21 am
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Didn't all of us experienced a drop in MPG when the cold weather
started?.. I know I did and its a new car... less than a year with
<9,000 miles
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:53 am
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Thank you for all of the ideas and information!

Here are some follow up bits and pieces:

95 Camry, 4 cylinder, automatic transmission

I usually calculate mpg by dividing the miles driven since the last
fill up by the gallons I just put in. I was not quite as scientific
this time, the previous tank went full to empty for 400 miles, this
last one (same driving) went 300 miles. Maybe I'm off by a bit but it
is still a pretty noticeable drop.

MAF - hmmmm. When I changed the air filter on my Corolla (different
car) a few months ago I did notice a wire plugged in device connected
to the upper portion of the casing that clamps on top of the air
filter. I did notice that this "thing" was completely missing from my
Camry (subject of this post)... Now I think I'm getting somewhere
here.... is the MAF a simple looking plastic plug into the side of
the top of the air filter casing? Does that make sense? Which means
I'm off to buy one.

"disrupter" instead of distributer.....opps! bloody spell check!

Thanks again for the help!

Blake
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Ray O

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:32 am
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"blake18" <zachenos RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you for all of the ideas and information!
>
> Here are some follow up bits and pieces:
>
> 95 Camry, 4 cylinder, automatic transmission
>
> I usually calculate mpg by dividing the miles driven since the last
> fill up by the gallons I just put in. I was not quite as scientific
> this time, the previous tank went full to empty for 400 miles, this
> last one (same driving) went 300 miles. Maybe I'm off by a bit but it
> is still a pretty noticeable drop.
>
> MAF - hmmmm. When I changed the air filter on my Corolla (different
> car) a few months ago I did notice a wire plugged in device connected
> to the upper portion of the casing that clamps on top of the air
> filter. I did notice that this "thing" was completely missing from my
> Camry (subject of this post)... Now I think I'm getting somewhere
> here.... is the MAF a simple looking plastic plug into the side of
> the top of the air filter casing? Does that make sense? Which means
> I'm off to buy one.
>
> "disrupter" instead of distributer.....opps! bloody spell check!
>
> Thanks again for the help!
>
> Blake
>

If the MAF sensor is completely missing from the Camry, I would imagine that
you would get a check engine light on the dashboard, and there would be an
opening in the intake in the vicinity of the air filter housing.

I don't know when the air flow sensor was changed to MAF type. The previous
system had a flap that would open as air flowed past it. The previous type
of air flow meter is located between the air filter housing and the intake
tube.

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