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Since: May 31, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:40 pm
Post subject: Pasenger front right seat '03 Crown Vic or Grand MArquis
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Hello all.
I have a situation where my dear old mom is unhappy with the Grand Marquis
they bought in 2003 because of the seat height. Needless to say it is front
driver power seat only.. Dealer says nothing can be done, but maybe that guy
didn't do Dale Carnegie training.
Here's the question. Looking at some exploded parts views of the bench seat,
it appears that power seat or non power get the same seat. But the power
option adds a few parts. The qustion really comes down to: is it possible to
modify the seat to either raise higher one time, and it stays higher, or add
the motor/trans etc for power seating and just set the height once and
again,leave it...or go so far as to add the door panel controls. I'll assume
the harness wires are not there, but next time I visit I'll pull the door
panel to see.
They love the car, this is the only hitch. Had I known this before I would
have steered then to it in the purchase, and perhaps they could have found
an LS with power passenger seat, over hte GS they have.
Any body able to give me any input on this?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Pasenger front right seat '03 Crown Vic or Grand MArquis [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"George Csahanin" wrote in message
> Hello all.
>
> I have a situation where my dear old mom is unhappy with the Grand Marquis
> they bought in 2003 because of the seat height. Needless to say it is
front
> driver power seat only.. Dealer says nothing can be done, but maybe that
guy
> didn't do Dale Carnegie training.
>
> Here's the question. Looking at some exploded parts views of the bench
seat,
> it appears that power seat or non power get the same seat. But the power
> option adds a few parts. The qustion really comes down to: is it possible
to
> modify the seat to either raise higher one time, and it stays higher, or
add
> the motor/trans etc for power seating and just set the height once and
> again,leave it...or go so far as to add the door panel controls. I'll
assume
> the harness wires are not there, but next time I visit I'll pull the door
> panel to see.
>
> They love the car, this is the only hitch. Had I known this before I would
> have steered then to it in the purchase, and perhaps they could have found
> an LS with power passenger seat, over hte GS they have.
>
> Any body able to give me any input on this?
My parents have a 200 with dual power seats. The biggest problem is the
wiring and location of the controls (on the door). The seat bases are
interchangeable. I think if you check wrecking yards you probably can find
all the parts you need. Biggest problem will be finding a matching door
panel with the seat controls. I am not sure if these exist. Do the LS and GS
have the same style of door panels? It might be worth looking for one. If
you are really interested, you could hack in a switch from another Ford
product.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Pasenger front right seat '03 Crown Vic or Grand MArquis [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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The passenger side power seat was standard on the LS and an
option on the GS. Check a salvage yard. If you want the same
seat style look for a GS if not get the two front seats from the
LS, WBMA
mike hunt
George Csahanin wrote:
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> Hello all.
>
> I have a situation where my dear old mom is unhappy with the Grand Marquis
> they bought in 2003 because of the seat height. Needless to say it is front
> driver power seat only.. Dealer says nothing can be done, but maybe that guy
> didn't do Dale Carnegie training.
>
> Here's the question. Looking at some exploded parts views of the bench seat,
> it appears that power seat or non power get the same seat. But the power
> option adds a few parts. The qustion really comes down to: is it possible to
> modify the seat to either raise higher one time, and it stays higher, or add
> the motor/trans etc for power seating and just set the height once and
> again,leave it...or go so far as to add the door panel controls. I'll assume
> the harness wires are not there, but next time I visit I'll pull the door
> panel to see.
>
> They love the car, this is the only hitch. Had I known this before I would
> have steered then to it in the purchase, and perhaps they could have found
> an LS with power passenger seat, over hte GS they have.
>
> Any body able to give me any input on this?
>
> --
> George J. Csahanin
>
> george at
> dyb dot
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:29 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:40 pm
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Mark wrote:
> Why can't shims be placed under the 4 mountings points at the floor pan?
This would work, except that it would compromise the safety/design of
the seat and its mounting to the floorpan, which is integral to the
entire restraint system. If it was my car, and this is the effect I
wanted (higher seating position), I would do it, but good luck getting a
shop to take on the liability of performing such a modification.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:06 am
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:55 am
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Let me clarify
Via that program, Ford or an insurance company shouldn't have a problem
with an affiliated and trained professional modifying the seat in the
event of a "seat warranty" claim or personal injury claim against auto
ins.
But from their vantage point when you get "some guy" with a welding kit
doing a home-fabbed setup, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE CASE HERE, it gives
them an easy out, because he's not a professional "seat modifier"
affiliated with the Mobility Program.
Not much different than if I did electrical work at home without
getting it inspected and I burned the house down. I'm not an
electrician by trade and therefore my insurance might have an out on
paying the claim if fault were found in my electrical work by a fire
inspector. Just for laughs assume I was recycling some old aluminum
wiring. (not!)
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:15 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:41 pm
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Duh, of course the seat on it's own won't be affected by installing a
block and a bolt. But any shark lawyer representing Ford or an
insurance co. can argue an affect to the integrity of the vehicle.
If it's not that big a deal than why won't his Ford dealer touch it?
Liability.
Unfortunately in this day and age it seems to be affecting everything
we do. I'm not arguing the common sense of raising the seat as you
suggested, it's certainly practical.
Just don't expect to recover from Ford or the insurance if it's a DIY
job and something happens to the occupant. >> Stay informed about: Pasenger front right seat '03 Crown Vic or Grand MArquis |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:33 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:39 pm
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Where do you guys dream up this stuff? Seats are raised on
spacers, lower, moved back or front, all the time. There is a
whole industry developed around seat modifications for the
disabled. Ford, under its 'Mobility Program, will even pay
customers up to $1,500 for modifications to adapt any Ford
vehicle to meet the needs of the handicapped.
mike hunt
sleepdog RemoveThis @optonline.net wrote:
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> Possible insurance coverage issues if there were ever a personal injury
> claim filed due to an accident while in the vehicle.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:27 pm
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No! Inserting a metal block under a seat and using a longer bolt
will have no affect on the integrity of the seat. As to the seat
being an inch higher, a power seat will raise the seat position
more than an inch.
mike hunt
sleepdog.RemoveThis@optonline.net wrote:
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> Let me clarify
>
> Via that program, Ford or an insurance company shouldn't have a problem
> with an affiliated and trained professional modifying the seat in the
> event of a "seat warranty" claim or personal injury claim against auto
> ins.
>
> But from their vantage point when you get "some guy" with a welding kit
> doing a home-fabbed setup, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE CASE HERE, it gives
> them an easy out, because he's not a professional "seat modifier"
> affiliated with the Mobility Program.
>
> Not much different than if I did electrical work at home without
> getting it inspected and I burned the house down. I'm not an
> electrician by trade and therefore my insurance might have an out on
> paying the claim if fault were found in my electrical work by a fire
> inspector. Just for laughs assume I was recycling some old aluminum
> wiring. (not!)
>
> Makes sense?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Pasenger front right seat '03 Crown Vic or Grand MArquis |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:47 pm
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sleepdog.DeleteThis@optonline.net wrote:
> Not much different than if I did electrical work at home without
> getting it inspected and I burned the house down. I'm not an
> electrician by trade and therefore my insurance might have an out on
> paying the claim if fault were found in my electrical work by a fire
> inspector.
There is no stupidity exclusion in a HomeOwners policy. They'll pay,
once, then cancel.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:55 pm
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DustyRhoades DeleteThis @mailcity.com wrote:
> No! Inserting a metal block under a seat and using a longer bolt
> will have no affect on the integrity of the seat. As to the seat
> being an inch higher, a power seat will raise the seat position
> more than an inch.
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What grade bolt are you going to use? Does it need to be different than
the the original?
Because you have changed all the moments around which the seat will
rotate in a collision, are there other concerns in the cabin that need
to be addressed?
Will the rest of the restraints (belts & airbag(s)) provide the designed
protection with such a modification?
It's just to risky for a shop to make mods like this willy-nilly. Too
many lawsuit angles. Do it myself? Sure, for my own vehicle. There
isn't a stupidity exclusion in auto policies, either. Watercraft
policies? Yes, there I have seen "stupidity" exclusions.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:20 pm
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