OEM Online Honda Parts Sites

jim beam wrote:

> Say What? wrote:
>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>> Say What? wrote:
>>>
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Say What? wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> state for use in your home state but didn't pay any taxes. See
>>>>>> what they say about that. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to
>>>>>> send you the appropriate reporting form.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> not for online transactions - the supremes nixed that.
>>>>> http://www.cbpp.org/12-13-99tax.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim, please re-READ what you have quoted. It's pretty clear but you
>>>> do have to read and understand what their ruling was. I stand by my
>>>> original post.
>>>>
>>>> Quote from your link, above:
>>>>
>>>> Who Will Remit Sales Taxes on Internet and Mail-Order Sales?
>>>>
>>>> The vitality of the sales tax as a critical state and local
>>>> government revenue source has been eroded in recent years by the
>>>> rapid growth in mail-order and Internet sales. Sales taxes are due
>>>> on mail-order and Internet purchases just as they are on purchases
>>>> in stores.(1) But a large majority of the sales taxes due on
>>>> mail-order and Internet purchases made by individual consumers and a
>>>> significant share of the taxes due on purchases made by businesses
>>>> are effectively uncollectible. States and localities are unable to
>>>> collect these taxes because the Supreme Court has prohibited states
>>>> from requiring mail-order and Internet merchants to charge the
>>>> customer for the tax and remit it to the customer's state unless the
>>>> merchant has a physical presence or "nexus" within the state's
>>>> borders. This means that although an Internet merchant like
>>>> Amazon.com presumably has customers in every or nearly every state,
>>>> it can only be required to collect sales tax from customers in its
>>>> home state of Washington and a handful of other states in which it
>>>> has built warehouses or stationed personnel.
>>>>
>>>> If the seller does not charge and remit the tax, laws require
>>>> customers of Internet and mail-order companies to pay the state and
>>>> local sales tax directly to their home states. However, compliance
>>>> with this self-remittance requirement is almost non-existent in the
>>>> case of individual consumers and is spotty in the case of businesses
>>>> that make purchases from Internet, mail-order, and other "remote"
>>>> sellers. The combination of weak tax compliance by purchasers and a
>>>> sharply limited tax collection obligation on the part of remote
>>>> sellers is eroding the sales tax base of state and local governments
>>>>
>>>
>>> what part of:
>>> "...because the Supreme Court has prohibited states from requiring
>>> mail-order and Internet merchants to charge the customer for the tax
>>> and remit it to the customer's state unless the merchant has a
>>> physical presence or "nexus" within the state's borders" is unclear?
>>
>>
>> I saw it but kept on reading which, apparently, you did not.
>>
>> What part of...
>>
>> "Sales taxes are due on mail-order and Internet purchases just as they
>> are on purchases in stores."
>>
>> and
>>
>> "If the seller does not charge and remit the tax, laws require
>> customers of Internet and mail-order companies to pay the state and
>> local sales tax directly to their home states. However, compliance
>> with this self-remittance requirement is almost non-existent in the
>> case of individual consumers and is spotty in the case of businesses
>> that make purchases from Internet, mail-order, and other "remote"
>> sellers.." is unclear to you?
>>
>> Remember, if you will, that the OP said that he had no obligation to
>> pay the tax himself. He is obliged to pay it. As you have pointed
>> out, the merchant selling to him is NOT required to collect it unless
>> they have a physical presence or nexus in his state. The synopsis of
>> the USSC decision also points out that the tax which is due is
>> "effectively uncollectable," I said as much in my post.
>
>
> in other words, you're arguing against yourself. well done.


Well, actually you both are... It is legislation that was passed that
prohibits any form of internet taxes except when a vendor has a physical
presence in the affected state...

But the short of it is, generally no tax..

JT
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Yeah, right... I'm going to volunteer my internet purchases to an auditor
who has absolutely no way to find them any other way. Get real!


On 12/26/07 7:31 PM, in article
FoSdnWz3ZIvrne7anZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d.DeleteThis@speakeasy.net, "News" <News.DeleteThis@Groups.com>
wrote:

> You'll find it happens quite frequently after an audit...
>
>
>
> E Meyer wrote:
>> This thread gets my vote for most anal retentive of the year. Quick show of
>> hands - Who among the readers here has ever voluntarily sent their state a
>> sales tax payment for an out of state internet purchase?
>>
>>
>> On 12/26/07 6:21 PM, in article
>> reCcj.34880$Pv2.30416@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net, "Woody" <TheDuck.DeleteThis@pond.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You really need to take some classes in reading comprehension. You may then
>>> understand what you are reading and get some of the facts correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex.DeleteThis@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ea-dnR3gHLGEWO_anZ2dnUVZ_uXinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>
>>>> Elle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My 91 Civic is due for some new ignition wires. I started checking OEM
>>>>> online Honda parts places that I have used in the past. Shipping seems to
>>>>> have shot through the roof. From reports here and some other shopping, I
>>>>> have become vaguely aware that dealerships increasingly offer parts
>>>>> online at discounted internet prices. So I googled for {online OEM Honda
>>>>> parts [my state]}. The second hit yielded a dealership five miles from me
>>>>> selling prices as competitive as I have seen at Majestic and San Leandro
>>>>> Honda (long-time online dealers), but of course without the shipping
>>>>> charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even
>>>>> with online purchases.
>>>>
>>>> no you're not. if your supplier doesn't have a presence in your state,
>>>> your online purchases are federally exempt. simply factor that into your
>>>> purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier outside
>>>> your state and save the tax.
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On 12/26/2007 8:05 PM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:

>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> Say What? wrote:
>>
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>> Say What? wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Say What? wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> state for use in your home state but didn't pay any taxes. See
>>>>>>> what they say about that. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to
>>>>>>> send you the appropriate reporting form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> not for online transactions - the supremes nixed that.
>>>>>> http://www.cbpp.org/12-13-99tax.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, please re-READ what you have quoted. It's pretty clear but you
>>>>> do have to read and understand what their ruling was. I stand by my
>>>>> original post.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quote from your link, above:
>>>>>
>>>>> Who Will Remit Sales Taxes on Internet and Mail-Order Sales?
>>>>>
>>>>> The vitality of the sales tax as a critical state and local
>>>>> government revenue source has been eroded in recent years by the
>>>>> rapid growth in mail-order and Internet sales. Sales taxes are due
>>>>> on mail-order and Internet purchases just as they are on purchases
>>>>> in stores.(1) But a large majority of the sales taxes due on
>>>>> mail-order and Internet purchases made by individual consumers and a
>>>>> significant share of the taxes due on purchases made by businesses
>>>>> are effectively uncollectible. States and localities are unable to
>>>>> collect these taxes because the Supreme Court has prohibited states
>>>>> from requiring mail-order and Internet merchants to charge the
>>>>> customer for the tax and remit it to the customer's state unless the
>>>>> merchant has a physical presence or "nexus" within the state's
>>>>> borders. This means that although an Internet merchant like
>>>>> Amazon.com presumably has customers in every or nearly every state,
>>>>> it can only be required to collect sales tax from customers in its
>>>>> home state of Washington and a handful of other states in which it
>>>>> has built warehouses or stationed personnel.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the seller does not charge and remit the tax, laws require
>>>>> customers of Internet and mail-order companies to pay the state and
>>>>> local sales tax directly to their home states. However, compliance
>>>>> with this self-remittance requirement is almost non-existent in the
>>>>> case of individual consumers and is spotty in the case of businesses
>>>>> that make purchases from Internet, mail-order, and other "remote"
>>>>> sellers. The combination of weak tax compliance by purchasers and a
>>>>> sharply limited tax collection obligation on the part of remote
>>>>> sellers is eroding the sales tax base of state and local governments
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what part of:
>>>> "...because the Supreme Court has prohibited states from requiring
>>>> mail-order and Internet merchants to charge the customer for the tax
>>>> and remit it to the customer's state unless the merchant has a
>>>> physical presence or "nexus" within the state's borders" is unclear?
>>>
>>>
>>> I saw it but kept on reading which, apparently, you did not.
>>>
>>> What part of...
>>>
>>> "Sales taxes are due on mail-order and Internet purchases just as they
>>> are on purchases in stores."
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> "If the seller does not charge and remit the tax, laws require
>>> customers of Internet and mail-order companies to pay the state and
>>> local sales tax directly to their home states. However, compliance
>>> with this self-remittance requirement is almost non-existent in the
>>> case of individual consumers and is spotty in the case of businesses
>>> that make purchases from Internet, mail-order, and other "remote"
>>> sellers.." is unclear to you?
>>>
>>> Remember, if you will, that the OP said that he had no obligation to
>>> pay the tax himself. He is obliged to pay it. As you have pointed
>>> out, the merchant selling to him is NOT required to collect it unless
>>> they have a physical presence or nexus in his state. The synopsis of
>>> the USSC decision also points out that the tax which is due is
>>> "effectively uncollectable," I said as much in my post.
>>
>>
>> in other words, you're arguing against yourself. well done.
>
>
> Well, actually you both are... It is legislation that was passed that
> prohibits any form of internet taxes except when a vendor has a physical
> presence in the affected state...
>
> But the short of it is, generally no tax..
>
> JT

Altogether wrong.

Remember that we're talking about state taxes here.

What the Supreme Court said was, in essence, 'you owe the tax, but we're
not going to force the seller to collect it.'

The buyer still owes it, and the state can (and if it knows about it,
will) collect it.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
Brian Kernighan wrote, "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code
in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as
possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
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On 12/26/2007 8:02 PM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:

>
> Say What? wrote:
>> Inigo Lopez de Loyola wrote:
>>
>>> "Elle" <honda.lioness.RemoveThis@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:13n59o5mq5b3l61@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>> Honda (long-time online dealers), but of course without the shipping
>>>> charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even
>>>> with online purchases.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you buy online from a supplier who does not have a "business nexus"
>>> in your state, they can't collect sales tax from you any you're not
>>> "obliged" to pay it
>>
>>
>> Bzzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer! At least it is in all the states where I
>> have a passing knowledge of their revenue act and that's a couple dozen.
>>
>
>
> Bzzzzt! Really Wrong Answer!!!
>
> If they, (the vendor), has no physical presence in your state and the
> order is via the internet, NO TAX OF ANY KIND CAN BE COLLECTED.
>
> So called "use tax" tactics DO NOT APPLY to internet sales.
>
> (One of the very few good things our conggress critters accomplished)
>
> JT

When you file your state income tax this year, look for an entry about
this. You will be asked to declare the amount of your untaxed
out-of-state purchases; this will absolutely include any purchases made
over the intarweb. If you lie, you are committing the crime of tax
fraud. The chances of being caught are small, but only because the
various states aren't pursuing this avenue currently, not because the
records are hard to get.

If you don't want to wait until you file your taxes, ask a tax preparer;
they should be popping up like jack rabbits in the next several weeks.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
Whenever I think about the past it brings back so many memories...
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If you think so... Give it a try.

Presumably, you'll be able to make up receipts showing tax paid...



E Meyer wrote:
> Yeah, right... I'm going to volunteer my internet purchases to an auditor
> who has absolutely no way to find them any other way. Get real!
>
>
> On 12/26/07 7:31 PM, in article
> FoSdnWz3ZIvrne7anZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d.TakeThisOut@speakeasy.net, "News" <News.TakeThisOut@Groups.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>You'll find it happens quite frequently after an audit...
>>
>>
>>
>>E Meyer wrote:
>>
>>>This thread gets my vote for most anal retentive of the year. Quick show of
>>>hands - Who among the readers here has ever voluntarily sent their state a
>>>sales tax payment for an out of state internet purchase?
>>>
>>>
>>>On 12/26/07 6:21 PM, in article
>>>reCcj.34880$Pv2.30416@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net, "Woody" <TheDuck.TakeThisOut@pond.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You really need to take some classes in reading comprehension. You may then
>>>>understand what you are reading and get some of the facts correct.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"jim beam" <spamvortex.TakeThisOut@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:ea-dnR3gHLGEWO_anZ2dnUVZ_uXinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Elle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>My 91 Civic is due for some new ignition wires. I started checking OEM
>>>>>>online Honda parts places that I have used in the past. Shipping seems to
>>>>>>have shot through the roof. From reports here and some other shopping, I
>>>>>>have become vaguely aware that dealerships increasingly offer parts
>>>>>>online at discounted internet prices. So I googled for {online OEM Honda
>>>>>>parts [my state]}. The second hit yielded a dealership five miles from me
>>>>>>selling prices as competitive as I have seen at Majestic and San Leandro
>>>>>>Honda (long-time online dealers), but of course without the shipping
>>>>>>charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even
>>>>>>with online purchases.
>>>>>
>>>>>no you're not. if your supplier doesn't have a presence in your state,
>>>>>your online purchases are federally exempt. simply factor that into your
>>>>>purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier outside
>>>>>your state and save the tax.
 >> Stay informed about: OEM Online Honda Parts Sites 

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And exactly who is going to be asking for these receipts?

I live in Texas, a state which has no state income tax. There is no
personal state tax filing, no forms, no affidavits, no audits. Sales taxes
are collected by businesses.

The Federal government has no incentive to care about this. If you live in a
state without an income tax, sales taxes are deductible, thereby possibly
reducing your federal income tax due.

Back to my original assertion -- This is the most anal retentive thread of
the year. I'm still waiting for that show of hands. Who here has sent
unsolicited sales tax payments for internet purchases to their state?


On 12/26/07 9:43 PM, in article
GNadnfqhSoLqgu7anZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d DeleteThis @speakeasy.net, "News" <News DeleteThis @Groups.com>
wrote:

> If you think so... Give it a try.
>
> Presumably, you'll be able to make up receipts showing tax paid...
>
>
>
> E Meyer wrote:
>> Yeah, right... I'm going to volunteer my internet purchases to an auditor
>> who has absolutely no way to find them any other way. Get real!
>>
>>
>> On 12/26/07 7:31 PM, in article
>> FoSdnWz3ZIvrne7anZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d DeleteThis @speakeasy.net, "News" <News DeleteThis @Groups.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You'll find it happens quite frequently after an audit...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> E Meyer wrote:
>>>
>>>> This thread gets my vote for most anal retentive of the year. Quick show
>>>> of
>>>> hands - Who among the readers here has ever voluntarily sent their state a
>>>> sales tax payment for an out of state internet purchase?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/26/07 6:21 PM, in article
>>>> reCcj.34880$Pv2.30416@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net, "Woody"
>>>> <TheDuck DeleteThis @pond.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You really need to take some classes in reading comprehension. You may
>>>>> then
>>>>> understand what you are reading and get some of the facts correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex DeleteThis @bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ea-dnR3gHLGEWO_anZ2dnUVZ_uXinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Elle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 91 Civic is due for some new ignition wires. I started checking OEM
>>>>>>> online Honda parts places that I have used in the past. Shipping seems
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have shot through the roof. From reports here and some other shopping, I
>>>>>>> have become vaguely aware that dealerships increasingly offer parts
>>>>>>> online at discounted internet prices. So I googled for {online OEM Honda
>>>>>>> parts [my state]}. The second hit yielded a dealership five miles from
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> selling prices as competitive as I have seen at Majestic and San Leandro
>>>>>>> Honda (long-time online dealers), but of course without the shipping
>>>>>>> charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even
>>>>>>> with online purchases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no you're not. if your supplier doesn't have a presence in your state,
>>>>>> your online purchases are federally exempt. simply factor that into your
>>>>>> purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier outside
>>>>>> your state and save the tax.
 >> Stay informed about: OEM Online Honda Parts Sites 

"E Meyer" <epmeyer50.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote
> Back to my original assertion -- This is the most anal
> retentive thread of
> the year. I'm still waiting for that show of hands. Who
> here has sent
> unsolicited sales tax payments for internet purchases to
> their state?

They are solicited. Google to verify the point.

I posted my carefully qualified comment only to be complete.
Fact is, states are trying to deal with the loss of sales
tax revenue from internet purchases.

I have at least once paid taxes on internet purchases. It
was due in small part to fear of possibly being audited for
other things. But other times I have blown it off, breaking
the law. Fact is it's a pittance. I happen to be grateful to
live in a country where the chances of my political leaders
being murdered, along with dozens of innocent people, are
slim. Paying taxes to support our government (while it's a
terrible system, I know you seriously could not come up with
another one). Your reaction is stupidity.

Why do you care what other people's personal choices are?
You some kind of busybody?

The bigger point of the thread is I paid some $4 in sales
tax yesterday to a local internet OEM parts supplier and
saved some $17 (Majestic's s/h charge) in transportation
etc. costs. The part was the same price both locally and at
Majestic.

These days, before ordering online from a company far away,
folks should either google or call their dealer and ask if
they have a parts department that sells through the
internet, with competitive yada prices.
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"Dave Kelsen" <invalid.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote
> The only point I have made, and I think this is true of
> most of the others in this thread who have posted, is that
> the tax exists, and the authority to collect it exists.
> The states don't have the means, or in some cases the
> desire, to collect it, and you can almost assuredly
> continue to not pay sales tax on those items with
> impunity.

Agreed, except I think this may change sooner rather than
later. It of course would likely require a change in federal
law to have any teeth, since the key probably is to get
internet stores to collect the tax.

> Similarly, I continue to exceed posted speed limits,
> because the state (and county, municipal) authorities
> don't have the means to enforce the law - they aren't able
> to stop me most of the time when I do it. But when I do,
> I am aware that I am breaking a law; I'm just not likely
> to get caught. When I make a purchase over the internet
> and do not pay sales tax when I submit my taxes at the end
> of the year, I am breaking the law; I'm just not likely to
> get caught.

The above denotes my thoughts as well, of course.

More importantly--

I pulled up to the dealership yesterday to make my
incredibly savvy parts purchase. One space right in front of
the showroom is available for beautiful me and my beloved
crate (my 1991 Civic). Dashing young man in gleaming white
shirt and nice tie (car salespeople have the nicest ties)
comes out to "greet me." I smile, greet him back, and point
out, "Purrs like a kitten, doesn't she?... Daggang Civic
won't die... I just need a few parts." Though defeated, he
laughs, nods, and strolls away. With my Honda, I ain't
sharkbait.

She runs even better with the new ignition wires.
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Dave Kelsen wrote:
> On 12/26/2007 8:05 PM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:
>
>>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>> Say What? wrote:
>>>
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Say What? wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Say What? wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> state for use in your home state but didn't pay any taxes. See
>>>>>>>> what they say about that. I'm sure they'll be more than happy
>>>>>>>> to send you the appropriate reporting form.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not for online transactions - the supremes nixed that.
>>>>>>> http://www.cbpp.org/12-13-99tax.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim, please re-READ what you have quoted. It's pretty clear but
>>>>>> you do have to read and understand what their ruling was. I stand
>>>>>> by my original post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quote from your link, above:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who Will Remit Sales Taxes on Internet and Mail-Order Sales?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The vitality of the sales tax as a critical state and local
>>>>>> government revenue source has been eroded in recent years by the
>>>>>> rapid growth in mail-order and Internet sales. Sales taxes are due
>>>>>> on mail-order and Internet purchases just as they are on purchases
>>>>>> in stores.(1) But a large majority of the sales taxes due on
>>>>>> mail-order and Internet purchases made by individual consumers and
>>>>>> a significant share of the taxes due on purchases made by
>>>>>> businesses are effectively uncollectible. States and localities
>>>>>> are unable to collect these taxes because the Supreme Court has
>>>>>> prohibited states from requiring mail-order and Internet merchants
>>>>>> to charge the customer for the tax and remit it to the customer's
>>>>>> state unless the merchant has a physical presence or "nexus"
>>>>>> within the state's borders. This means that although an Internet
>>>>>> merchant like Amazon.com presumably has customers in every or
>>>>>> nearly every state, it can only be required to collect sales tax
>>>>>> from customers in its home state of Washington and a handful of
>>>>>> other states in which it has built warehouses or stationed personnel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the seller does not charge and remit the tax, laws require
>>>>>> customers of Internet and mail-order companies to pay the state
>>>>>> and local sales tax directly to their home states. However,
>>>>>> compliance with this self-remittance requirement is almost
>>>>>> non-existent in the case of individual consumers and is spotty in
>>>>>> the case of businesses that make purchases from Internet,
>>>>>> mail-order, and other "remote" sellers. The combination of weak
>>>>>> tax compliance by purchasers and a sharply limited tax collection
>>>>>> obligation on the part of remote sellers is eroding the sales tax
>>>>>> base of state and local governments
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> what part of:
>>>>> "...because the Supreme Court has prohibited states from requiring
>>>>> mail-order and Internet merchants to charge the customer for the
>>>>> tax and remit it to the customer's state unless the merchant has a
>>>>> physical presence or "nexus" within the state's borders" is unclear?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I saw it but kept on reading which, apparently, you did not.
>>>>
>>>> What part of...
>>>>
>>>> "Sales taxes are due on mail-order and Internet purchases just as
>>>> they are on purchases in stores."
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> "If the seller does not charge and remit the tax, laws require
>>>> customers of Internet and mail-order companies to pay the state and
>>>> local sales tax directly to their home states. However, compliance
>>>> with this self-remittance requirement is almost non-existent in the
>>>> case of individual consumers and is spotty in the case of businesses
>>>> that make purchases from Internet, mail-order, and other "remote"
>>>> sellers.." is unclear to you?
>>>>
>>>> Remember, if you will, that the OP said that he had no obligation to
>>>> pay the tax himself. He is obliged to pay it. As you have pointed
>>>> out, the merchant selling to him is NOT required to collect it
>>>> unless they have a physical presence or nexus in his state. The
>>>> synopsis of the USSC decision also points out that the tax which is
>>>> due is "effectively uncollectable," I said as much in my post.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> in other words, you're arguing against yourself. well done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, actually you both are... It is legislation that was passed that
>> prohibits any form of internet taxes except when a vendor has a
>> physical presence in the affected state...
>>
>> But the short of it is, generally no tax..
>>
>> JT
>
>
> Altogether wrong.
>
> Remember that we're talking about state taxes here.
>
> What the Supreme Court said was, in essence, 'you owe the tax, but we're
> not going to force the seller to collect it.'
>
> The buyer still owes it, and the state can (and if it knows about it,
> will) collect it.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen


So, did you pass fifth grade civics?

It appears that YOU have the problem parsing here...

JT
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On 12/27/2007 10:11 AM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:

>
> Dave Kelsen wrote:
>> On 12/26/2007 8:05 PM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:
>>
>>
>> Altogether wrong.
>>
>> Remember that we're talking about state taxes here.
>>
>> What the Supreme Court said was, in essence, 'you owe the tax, but we're
>> not going to force the seller to collect it.'
>>
>> The buyer still owes it, and the state can (and if it knows about it,
>> will) collect it.
>>
>>
>> RFT!!!
>> Dave Kelsen
>
>
> So, did you pass fifth grade civics?
>
> It appears that YOU have the problem parsing here...


I'll accept your apology after you ask a tax preparer in your state.
Note that I'm not asking you to take my word. Do the research; it's
easy. You can also ask a representative of the Revenue department, in
your state capital. Rather than making yourself look stupid here, why
don't you try that?

If you get some other answer, by all means let me and all the others
here know, and I'll be the one looking stupid. I'll be reading and waiting.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me; I want people to
know why I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the
roads weren't paved.
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article <NIDcj.81539$MJ6.74430@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy.RemoveThis@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:
>
>
>>If they, (the vendor), has no physical presence in your state and the
>>order is via the internet, NO TAX OF ANY KIND CAN BE COLLECTED.
>
>
> It CAN be collected and passed on to the local taxing authority.
>
> However, there's no mandate that such collection take place in such a
> situation.
>
> There's a big difference. A retailer may act as a tax collector for any
> venue.
>

That retailer who collects a bogus tax is open to litigation which they
will lose.

A state law can never trump a federal law. In this case, federal law is
specific regarding taxes and the internet. That's why state guv'ments
are cryin' that giant whining sound.

JT
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