News group or private forum?

Oh, give me a friggin break. What a bunch of whiners.

What is so "creepy"? There are PLENTY of sites that mirror this news
group or "copy newsgroups posts into a forum" as the previous poster
said.

Check

http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.corvette/latestposts.html

http://www.autoforumz.com/-forum-53.html

http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/chevrolet-corvette/200504/1

http://www.newsbackup.com/forum-34.html

http://www.news2mail.com/alt/autos/corvette.html

http://www.autobanter.com/forumdisplay.php?s=7cb590e810e1926cae5257ba9...41db&f=

Among many others.






Tom wrote:
> As Tom in Missouri so eloquently stated:
>
> > http://www.jlaforums.com/viewforum.php?f=20
>
> You know...that's almost creepy.
>
> Copying newsgroup posts into a forum!!! WTF???
>
> And... I'm sure plagerism to some extent.
>
> --
> Tom
>
> "That man is richest whose pleasures are cheapest."
> -Henry Thoreau
>
> "The original point and click interface is a Smith and Wesson"
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

If you are a newbie, please do not turn into a complainer like some of
these other old men. We have all been here since the crack of time and
for some of them, old habits die hard.

As far as Dad...who knows what his problem is. Maybe it is aching
joints and his ol lady isn't putting out anymore. Seriously, I do not
know what his JLA problem is and I don't care.

As far as it being "immoral" about mirroring a newsgroup, then perhaps
all of these are guilty of the same thing? Yeah right.

GOOGLE? http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.autos.corvette?hl=en

Also check

http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.corvette/latestposts.html

http://www.autoforumz.com/-forum-53.html

http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/chevrolet-corvette/200504/1

http://www.newsbackup.com/forum-34.html

http://www.news2mail.com/alt/autos/corvette.html

http://www.autobanter.com/forumdisplay.php?s=7cb590e810e1926cae5257ba9...41db&f=

Among many others.

I actually prefer the web format instead of traditional news reader
format. I think they are much easier to read and far better organized
in web/forum format.
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

Why was/is Dad so against JLA?
Being a recent newbie, I'm not aware of any past history.
I'm not sure I like JLA doing what they are doing, but don't think it's
illegal in any way. Immoral, maybe.

He will be surely missed.

TomC
'90 ZR1

Dad wrote:

> "Tom in Missouri" wrote in message
>
>
>>You have probably seen several posts on here about JLA Enterprises forums.
>>I decided to check on one of the pictures he was posting. I found it an
>>interesting surprise and you might, too. Go to
>>http://www.jlaforums.com/viewforum.php?f=20
>>
>>You will find most of the news group in web forum format. Basically, his
>>forum is a copy of this news group. Now I understand places like Google
>>archiving this stuff for searches later on, but this has a look like
>>Corvette Forum with ads and such and looks like a live forum, but most is
>>simply this news group.
>>
>>Not sure if I like having my comments plastered on someone's private web
>>so
>>they can make money off of my free advice.
>>
>
> I have to agree with you Tom, not what I can be a part of.
>
> I'm sure some will rejoice but this is my last post, I will not be
> associated in any way with JLA Enterprises Technologies Integration.
>
> You guys take care an save the wave!
>
> Dad
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

As Tom in Missouri so eloquently stated:

> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewforum.php?f=20

You know...that's almost creepy.

Copying newsgroup posts into a forum!!! WTF???

And... I'm sure plagerism to some extent.

--
Tom

"That man is richest whose pleasures are cheapest."
-Henry Thoreau

"The original point and click interface is a Smith and Wesson"
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

"Tom" wrote in message

> As Tom in Missouri so eloquently stated:
>
>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewforum.php?f=20
>
> You know...that's almost creepy.
>
> Copying newsgroup posts into a forum!!! WTF???
>
> And... I'm sure plagerism to some extent.
>
> --
> Tom
>
> "That man is richest whose pleasures are cheapest."
> -Henry Thoreau
>
> "The original point and click interface is a Smith and Wesson"

Creepy is the right word! Some of us "old-timers" will recall chasing JLA
out of here a few years ago for this very reason. I kept a file on this guy
at that time and his name is Jim Adams, JLA Enterprises Technologies
Integration, 12100 Bedford Wds Dr. #209, Raleigh, NC 27614 (919) 488-3415.
The guy has serious issues and I'd suggest he be placed in your killfile.
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

"Richard Padilla" wrote in message

> these other old men. We have all been here since the crack of time and

Isn't that odd Richard - I don't recall seeing you here until recently.
Perhaps you could favor us with a Google link to one of your "Old" posts,
just to verify the veracity of your statement?

> Seriously, I do not
> know what his JLA problem is and I don't care.
>

Spoken as we might expect from an AOL user. You're used to such nuisances!
*LOL*
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

Richard Padilla wrote:
> If you are a newbie, please do not turn into a complainer like some of
> these other old men. We have all been here since the crack of time and
> for some of them, old habits die hard.
Richard:

I promise you won't hear any whining from me. Unless it's a from a GM
6-71. By then, of course, I'll have already passed you by.
Besides, although my new to me '90 ZR1 is my first 'Vette, it is by no
means my first muscle/sport car. I figure the guys in here will
certainly save me time and frustration with my new toy.

>
> As far as Dad...who knows what his problem is. Maybe it is aching
> joints and his ol lady isn't putting out anymore. Seriously, I do not
> know what his JLA problem is and I don't care.

It sounded to me like there was some kind of serious past history. Was
just curious.
>
> As far as it being "immoral" about mirroring a newsgroup, then perhaps
> all of these are guilty of the same thing? Yeah right.
>

TomC
'90ZR1
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

I think that, for those who have been around the Usenet since its early
days, there's a certain feeling of charity and public ownership that
gets chaffed when a commercial site gobbles up the content and
contributes nothing to the discussion. If it were mirrored in total,
I'd be tempted to just view it as an alternative portal (like an alt or
fido list) and accept the ads as paying for the cost to covert it to a
different format.

Problem with most conversions is that they fail to show entire posts.
Some conversions intentionally or accidently delete entire posts during
the conversion. This seems to happen in threads that encompass several
weeks. I think that's a bit shoddy in a technical forum. Further, when
opinion within a thread get's "fractured" it may not represent the
author's intent. Dad, bless him, taken out of the context of the thread
might not come across the way he intended -- and I think that's a very
valid concern for anyone who's gained some respect for his or her
experience and is quite candid in writing Usenet posts.

For those who have strong feelings about mirroring, copyright all of
your posts. (and save them with the 'intent' of writing a 'how-to' book)
And, when you find them pirated, hire a local attorney to write the
portal a 'strong letter.' Next step is a strong letter to the portal's
host.

Paul H.

Richard Padilla wrote:
> If you are a newbie, please do not turn into a complainer like some of
> these other old men. We have all been here since the crack of time and
> for some of them, old habits die hard.
>
> As far as Dad...who knows what his problem is. Maybe it is aching
> joints and his ol lady isn't putting out anymore. Seriously, I do not
> know what his JLA problem is and I don't care.
>
> As far as it being "immoral" about mirroring a newsgroup, then perhaps
> all of these are guilty of the same thing? Yeah right.
>
> GOOGLE? http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.autos.corvette?hl=en
>
> Also check
>
> http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.corvette/latestposts.html
>
> http://www.autoforumz.com/-forum-53.html
>
> http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/chevrolet-corvette/200504/1
>
> http://www.newsbackup.com/forum-34.html
>
> http://www.news2mail.com/alt/autos/corvette.html
>
> http://www.autobanter.com/forumdisplay.php?s=7cb590e810e1926cae5257ba9...41db&f=
>
> Among many others.
>
> I actually prefer the web format instead of traditional news reader
> format. I think they are much easier to read and far better organized
> in web/forum format.
>
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

Well, the biggest site of them "Google" that does this seems to have no
problem retaining and mirroring groups in total.

I guess it would all depend on the particular portal's policy and
ability on article retention. If a portal didn't have a large
retention capability (it seems that most advertise a retention of
anywhere of 1 month to 1 year - with Google being the exception at
forever) and they just picked up posts blindly - well thread fracturing
could be a problem. Having worked with a BB software systems myself
(VBulletin - Invision etc) I do know that most of the major platforms
out there only mirror complete threads and drop threads during the
mirroring process that do not have an origin post or cannot be matched
up with an origin post.

On the copyright issue, I seem to remember back when Deja News was
bought by Google there was a big (well depends on who's perspective,
but in reality it wasn't that big) stink over USENET copyright and all
the USENET posts that Deja had archived being sold for THEIR profit.
All in all, about 3000 people made a petition over it and not much
really became of it (Google Groups is still going strong.) As with
Deja, you can write Google and request that any post that "you" are the
author of be removed and they will remove it. There is also the ability
to do a cancel message via newsreader which will result in the post
being removed from the entire USENET. Keep in mind though that a large
amount of news servers out there do not honor the old traditional type
of USENET cancel requests so the poster's message will never completely
disappear.

The majority of forums/portals have the same policy as Google for
removal and many provide reporting/removal request links on each post
so if anyone does not want their posts to appear on any particular site
most likely all it would take is to make the request on each post and
they would remove it. My thinking on this is that if anyone is going
to post something on the USENET, they (should) know well and good that
it is going to appear all over the world. I guess if it is that
important, they could go to all or some of the countless sites that are
portals/gateways such as Google and request removal from each - but
really if it comes to that much of an obsession for anyone, my advice
would be to get a life and a girlfriend!
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

As Richard Padilla so eloquently stated:

> Oh, give me a friggin break. What a bunch of whiners.
>
> What is so "creepy"? There are PLENTY of sites that mirror this news
> group or "copy newsgroups posts into a forum" as the previous poster
> said.

Wow... you took some offense to our post against such practices?

It just seemed odd to have seen my posts mirrored like that. But I suppose
you don't mind having someone make money off your intellectual property. So
be it!

I'm done with this newsgroup. It's been fun guys!

--
Tom

"That man is richest whose pleasures are cheapest."
-Henry Thoreau

"The original point and click interface is a Smith and Wesson"
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

I think it is time to go look up VetteNet again. Being an email list meant
I used to get a ton of mail each day, but at least it isn't copied into
every private forum everywhere. Non-commercial, independent, and not
monitored by someone who is affiliated with certain companies.

Here's the webpage that tells how to get on the mail list.
http://vettenet.org/


"Tom" wrote in message

> As Richard Padilla so eloquently stated:
>
> > Oh, give me a friggin break. What a bunch of whiners.
> >
> > What is so "creepy"? There are PLENTY of sites that mirror this news
> > group or "copy newsgroups posts into a forum" as the previous poster
> > said.
>
> Wow... you took some offense to our post against such practices?
>
> It just seemed odd to have seen my posts mirrored like that. But I suppose
> you don't mind having someone make money off your intellectual property.
So
> be it!
>
> I'm done with this newsgroup. It's been fun guys!
>
> --
> Tom
>
> "That man is richest whose pleasures are cheapest."
> -Henry Thoreau
>
> "The original point and click interface is a Smith and Wesson"
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

On Fri, 06 May 2005 21:45:24 GMT, "Tom in Missouri"
puked:

>I think it is time to go look up VetteNet again. Being an email list meant
>I used to get a ton of mail each day, but at least it isn't copied into
>every private forum everywhere. Non-commercial, independent, and not
>monitored by someone who is affiliated with certain companies.
>
>Here's the webpage that tells how to get on the mail list.
>http://vettenet.org/

I find it interesting that everyone is all surprised that what is sent
in a public forum turns out to be public. Seriously, how does any of
this diminish the use of this group or the reputation of its posters
in any way?
--
lab~rat >
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum? 

Let's do this in a way you can relate. Pretend you are a freeware software
writer. You write this really neat program, maybe an operating system or an
office application.

Along comes Microsoft, who instead of working and creating their own, takes
yours for free and begins selling it.

Would you be happy?

JLA Enterprises and others are essentially selling our material. Maybe not
directly, but indirectly, by selling advertising space on a website that
features nothing but our material. If it wasn't for our material, JLA
Enterprises would not be getting any advertising dollars because there would
be nothing there.


"lab~rat" wrote in message

> On Fri, 06 May 2005 21:45:24 GMT, "Tom in Missouri"
> puked:
>
> >I think it is time to go look up VetteNet again. Being an email list
meant
> >I used to get a ton of mail each day, but at least it isn't copied into
> >every private forum everywhere. Non-commercial, independent, and not
> >monitored by someone who is affiliated with certain companies.
> >
> >Here's the webpage that tells how to get on the mail list.
> >http://vettenet.org/
>
> I find it interesting that everyone is all surprised that what is sent
> in a public forum turns out to be public. Seriously, how does any of
> this diminish the use of this group or the reputation of its posters
> in any way?
> --
> lab~rat >
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
 >> Stay informed about: News group or private forum?