BMW Navigation System & iDrive

"Lars Knudsen" wrote in message

> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:24:56 GMT, "Mack"
> wrote:
>
>>Is there any chance that BMW will scrap its nav system for one that
>>doesn't
>>look like a beta version of the Lexus system? The workflow logic of the
>>nav
>>inputs is so idiotic, I can't believe BMW uses it. Also any chance that
>>they
>>will scrap the idrive system for one that actually doesn't piss me off
>>everytime I use it?
>
> If it pisses you off so badly - why don't you just get a Lexus that
> you seem to like and let the rest of us that tend to like the "idotic
> systems" that BMW manufacture use them?
>
>
> ** Lars
>

I guess you're in the camp that sees the BMW as a perfect car in all
respects. If you have driven for an extended time in both BMWs and Lexuses,
you may agree that BMWs drive better but that their electronics are inferior
and less well thought out than Lexus's cars. I don't think there's anything
wrong with wanting to see improvements. Maybe your standards are met with
current BMWs. Then god bless!
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:14:48 GMT, "Mack"
wrote:

>I guess you're in the camp that sees the BMW as a perfect car in all
>respects. If you have driven for an extended time in both BMWs and Lexuses,
>you may agree that BMWs drive better but that their electronics are inferior
>and less well thought out than Lexus's cars.

You might be right - I have never driven a Lexus as I want a car that
runs on diesel - where the 530d fits in perfectly.

I do not say that BMW is the perfect car.. However.. If you want
something changed it might be an idea to explain what it is that you
do not like. I guess there is no much point in making BMW a copy of
Lexus.

Having said that, if Lexus at some point will produce a good
performing diesel engine/or/when the hybrid technology is matured and
show the same economy as my BMW running on diesel I would definately
be tempted to try out a Lexus as I am in no doubt that they make very
fine cars as well.




>I don't think there's anything
>wrong with wanting to see improvements. Maybe your standards are met with
>current BMWs. Then god bless!

Well.. If we start off telling what type of improvements we want it
would be a good start. There's no much point in yelling "it does not
work as I like it - fix it" - if you do not say what is wrong. Like I
said - I know nothing about how Lexus' Nav and other systems work.

** Lars
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In article ,
Lars Knudsen wrote:
> Having said that, if Lexus at some point will produce a good
> performing diesel engine/or/when the hybrid technology is matured and
> show the same economy as my BMW running on diesel I would definately
> be tempted to try out a Lexus as I am in no doubt that they make very
> fine cars as well.

Lexus have indeed started selling diesels in the UK and elsewhere. Road
tests say it's not as good as the BMW - or Jaguar - diesels.

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Yes and like the Jaguar X Type there is no automatic gearbox option on the
Lexus Diesel

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

> In article ,
> Lars Knudsen wrote:
> > Having said that, if Lexus at some point will produce a good
> > performing diesel engine/or/when the hybrid technology is matured and
> > show the same economy as my BMW running on diesel I would definately
> > be tempted to try out a Lexus as I am in no doubt that they make very
> > fine cars as well.
>
> Lexus have indeed started selling diesels in the UK and elsewhere. Road
> tests say it's not as good as the BMW - or Jaguar - diesels.
>
> --
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>
> Dave Plowman dave RemoveThis @davenoise.co.uk London SW
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:06:12 GMT, "Steve Garey"
wrote:

>Yes and like the Jaguar X Type there is no automatic gearbox option on the
>Lexus Diesel

Ahhh.. That is sort of "must-have" in my book. No more playing around
with the gear-stick and clutch in heavy traffic.


** Lars
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"Dave Plowman (News)" haute in die Tasten:

> Road
> tests say it's not as good as the BMW - or Jaguar - diesels.
>

AFAIK the new small Lexus uses a 2.2 litre 4 cylinder Diesel engine
known from the current Toyota Avensis. Although this engine is said
to be a good one, for sure there is a big difference to the big 6
cylinder Diesels used by Jaguar/Peugeot and BMW

Frank

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In article ,
Frank Kemper wrote:
> > Road
> > tests say it's not as good as the BMW - or Jaguar - diesels.
> >

> AFAIK the new small Lexus uses a 2.2 litre 4 cylinder Diesel engine
> known from the current Toyota Avensis. Although this engine is said
> to be a good one, for sure there is a big difference to the big 6
> cylinder Diesels used by Jaguar/Peugeot and BMW

The test I read said it wasn't as good as the BMW four cylinder diesels
either.

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Mack,

Please excuse Lars, don't you love when you make a legitimate comment /
complaint and someone responds like that! If he's can read he should already
know that he's most likely in the minority of people when he says he likes
the I-Drive. He's not the only one but you are part of a huge # of people
who believe that BMW could have done better and should do better. Seems to
me that it's similar to the Bangle erra styling, BMW has taken the GWB
marketting training (you're either with us or you're against us!). Doesn't
make much sense to a thinking person.

Chris

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

> In article ,
> Frank Kemper wrote:
>> > Road
>> > tests say it's not as good as the BMW - or Jaguar - diesels.
>> >
>
>> AFAIK the new small Lexus uses a 2.2 litre 4 cylinder Diesel engine
>> known from the current Toyota Avensis. Although this engine is said
>> to be a good one, for sure there is a big difference to the big 6
>> cylinder Diesels used by Jaguar/Peugeot and BMW
>
> The test I read said it wasn't as good as the BMW four cylinder diesels
> either.
>
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>
> Dave Plowman dave.RemoveThis@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:04:02 -0600, "Chris D'Agnolo"
wrote:

>Please excuse Lars, don't you love when you make a legitimate comment /
>complaint and someone responds like that! If he's can read he should already
>know that he's most likely in the minority of people when he says he likes
>the I-Drive. He's not the only one but you are part of a huge # of people
>who believe that BMW could have done better and should do better. Seems to
>me that it's similar to the Bangle erra styling, BMW has taken the GWB
>marketting training (you're either with us or you're against us!). Doesn't
>make much sense to a thinking person.

You do not have to excuse on my behalf, I can perfectly well stand up
to my own opinions. I do also find both the E60/61 as well as the E65
visually very attractive.

I both read, write and speak English quite well, when you consider
that it is not my first langauge... And I do read and am aware that a
lot of people dislike the I-Drive. I do not claim that it is perfect
either, but I do not find that that it annoying. If I did, then I
would probably choose another car!

A question like this: "Also any chance that they
will scrap the idrive system for one that actually doesn't piss me off
everytime I use it?" does not make much sense when you do not tell
what you would like instead.

At least I think so... And I do not think that a comment like that on
it's own in a place like this makes much sense to a thinking person.

Comments are great, complaints too. But complaints like "I do not like
this, it pisses meoff" makes me think - "well... if you do not like
the smell in the bakery - go somewhere else", really. I am not sure if
that saying translates well into English, by the way )

** Lars
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"Lars Knudsen" wrote in message

> ...He's not the only one but you are part of a huge # of people
>>who believe that BMW could have done better and should do better.

Actually I am sure people will get used to the new BMW styling rapidly - the
E46 already looks outdated!
.....
> ... And I do read and am aware that a
> lot of people dislike the I-Drive.

However, if you use one for a while and get used to the actions (turn the
wheel rather than drag the "cursor down" and so on) it will become very
useable.

> "well... if you do not like
> the smell in the bakery - go somewhere else", really. I am not sure if
> that saying translates well into English, by the way :

I suspect the equivalent English phrase is "if you don't like the heat, get
out of the kitchen! (I suspect you knew that anyway).

Roger
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:10:40 -0000, "Roger Matthews"
wrote:

>> ... And I do read and am aware that a
>> lot of people dislike the I-Drive.
>However, if you use one for a while and get used to the actions (turn the
>wheel rather than drag the "cursor down" and so on) it will become very
>useable.

Yes exactly. I do not demand that there is no gain from getting used
to the car.

Also, I do actually read the manual and spend some time getting used
to how to operate the features in the car the best way. I simply
consider it as part of the fun of buying a new car....


>> "well... if you do not like
>> the smell in the bakery - go somewhere else", really. I am not sure if
>> that saying translates well into English, by the way :
>I suspect the equivalent English phrase is "if you don't like the heat, get
>out of the kitchen!

True... That is exactly it!


>(I suspect you knew that anyway).

mmmm.. Maybe... I think I have heard it before... But thank you for
letting me know. Theese sayings, I think, are some of the most
difficult to learn in foreign languages. Anyway, the bakery-version is
what works in Danish should you ever need that )


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