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Since: Aug 15, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:55 pm
Post subject: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
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Hi,
I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
with 200 miles on the clock.
Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
they were bad.
I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
all cylinders and no other codes.
Anybody got any ideas?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:55 pm
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Ari Rankum wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
> with 200 miles on the clock.
>
> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>
> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>
> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
> they were bad.
>
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance.
I think you're probably on the right track. 3-year-old gas can clog up
nearly everything in the fuel system. The lines, the injectors, the
filter, etc. I'd still like to see what everyone else thinks, but old
gasoline is almost always bad news.
Jon
P.S. You may want to flush the fuel tank, and then run a can of SeaFoam
through it with premium grade gas and see if that helps. I know it
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Since: Aug 15, 2004
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:55 pm
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BigJon wrote:
> Ari Rankum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>
>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>
>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>
>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>> they were bad.
>>
>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>
>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> I think you're probably on the right track. 3-year-old gas can clog up
> nearly everything in the fuel system. The lines, the injectors, the
> filter, etc. I'd still like to see what everyone else thinks, but old
> gasoline is almost always bad news.
>
> Jon
>
> P.S. You may want to flush the fuel tank, and then run a can of SeaFoam
> through it with premium grade gas and see if that helps. I know it
> couldn't hurt.
Thanks, Jon. I picked up a can of SeaFoam on the way back from the
dealer - so we're on the same track. I may have substantially gunked up
the fuel filter with the first batch of gas. But I think what is in the
tank now is okay. I was half-way through a tank of Costco gas on Friday
when this started. I topped up the tank today and threw in a whole pint
of SeaFoam. I was going to replace the fuel filter tomorrow (if I can
figure out where that lives on an 03 Accord) and run some of the SeaFoam
gas through the injectors. >> Stay informed about: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:59 am
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On 6/9/2007 9:11 PM Ari Rankum spake these words of knowledge:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
> with 200 miles on the clock.
So you ran 4 - 5 tanks through here before the problem showed up?
> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>
> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>
> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
> they were bad.
My 2003 Accord 4-cyl (AT) did need one of the two O2 sensors (the rear
one) replaced, at only 60-some thousand miles, but as the dealer said to
you, I got a code which indicated that.
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
I would surely agree, but I wonder why the effects wouldn't materialize
until you had gone through 4 - 5 tanksful.
Wish I could be more help; I highly recommend the Helms manual for the car.
Dave Kelsen
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:55 am
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Ari Rankum wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
> with 200 miles on the clock.
>
> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>
> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>
> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
> they were bad.
>
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance.
The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three rotors,
distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires). Progress,
got to love it. >> Stay informed about: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:55 am
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"Ari Rankum" wrote in message
> Ari Rankum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>
>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>
>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>
>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>> they were bad.
>>
>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>
>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three rotors,
> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires). Progress,
> got to love it.
>
Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. 
Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did the one
failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
Mike >> Stay informed about: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:55 pm
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Ari Rankum wrote:
>
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
I've seen old gasoline turn to a horrible sludge varnish yuck mix. Open
up the gas cap and have a sniff. Does it smell simply horrible?
When fuel goes really bad it takes on a terrible smell.
If you do have fuel gone bad then it is probably going to mean dropping
the fuel tank to clean it out as well as purging all the lines and
perhaps the injectors. The job could run into the thousands of dollars
at today's shop rates. >> Stay informed about: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:55 pm
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John Horner wrote:
> Ari Rankum wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>
>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>
>
> I've seen old gasoline turn to a horrible sludge varnish yuck mix. Open
> up the gas cap and have a sniff. Does it smell simply horrible? When
> fuel goes really bad it takes on a terrible smell.
>
> If you do have fuel gone bad then it is probably going to mean dropping
> the fuel tank to clean it out as well as purging all the lines and
> perhaps the injectors. The job could run into the thousands of dollars
> at today's shop rates.
forget it. just run fresh gas and injector cleaner for a month. >> Stay informed about: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:55 pm
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Ari Rankum wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jon. I picked up a can of SeaFoam on the way back from the
> dealer - so we're on the same track. I may have substantially gunked up
> the fuel filter with the first batch of gas. But I think what is in the
> tank now is okay. I was half-way through a tank of Costco gas on Friday
> when this started. I topped up the tank today and threw in a whole pint
> of SeaFoam. I was going to replace the fuel filter tomorrow (if I can
> figure out where that lives on an 03 Accord) and run some of the SeaFoam
> gas through the injectors.
I think the only fuel filter is not easily replaceable and is in the tank. >> Stay informed about: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:11 am
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On Jun 9, 10:11 pm, Ari Rankum wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
> with 200 miles on the clock.
>
> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>
> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>
> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
> they were bad.
>
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance.
I had a similar problem with a 91 accord. Don't waste your money with
fuel injector cleaners, gas line cleaners etc. The cheapest and the
best solution for varnish buildup and gumming due to old fuel is
automotive acetone. I poured in 100ML per 50L of fuel. The problem
disappeared by the time a tank was half empty. Never had a problem
after that.
Good luck. >> Stay informed about: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:25 am
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On Jun 20, 1:18 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
> highkm wrote innews:1182348697.936922.224930@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 10:11 pm, Ari Rankum wrote:
> >> Hi,
>
> >> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
> >> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
> >> with 200 miles on the clock.
>
> >> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
> >> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
> >> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
> >> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>
> >> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
> >> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
> >> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
> >> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
> >> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
> >> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>
> >> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
> >> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
> >> they were bad.
>
> >> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> >> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> >> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> >> Anybody got any ideas?
>
> >> Thanks in advance.
>
> > I had a similar problem with a 91 accord. Don't waste your money with
> > fuel injector cleaners, gas line cleaners etc. The cheapest and the
> > best solution for varnish buildup and gumming due to old fuel is
> > automotive acetone. I poured in 100ML per 50L of fuel. The problem
> > disappeared by the time a tank was half empty. Never had a problem
> > after that.
>
> > Good luck.
>
> what is "automotive" acetone?
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
It is 100% pure acetone. Some people suggest using a nail polish
remover (acetone based). Don't use this as it contains a color
additive in most cases that under heat creates a thin film (a coating
which reduces a flow-through diameter of the hole). In Canada one can
purchase automotive acetone in Canadian tire. The label on the can is
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:55 pm
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highkm wrote in
> On Jun 9, 10:11 pm, Ari Rankum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>
>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>
>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>
>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>> they were bad.
>>
>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>
>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> I had a similar problem with a 91 accord. Don't waste your money with
> fuel injector cleaners, gas line cleaners etc. The cheapest and the
> best solution for varnish buildup and gumming due to old fuel is
> automotive acetone. I poured in 100ML per 50L of fuel. The problem
> disappeared by the time a tank was half empty. Never had a problem
> after that.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
what is "automotive" acetone?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
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