Mercury Mariner Hybrid

I don't know about your state but in most states, SUVs like the Mariner,
Escape and Tribute are registered and insured as cars, not trucks. SUVs
like the Mariner, Escape and Tribute must meet the same NHTSA safety
standards as cars, as well





"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Michael Reinders wrote:
>> Saw an interesting article on the front page of this morning's Sunday
>> paper about the 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Didn't even know it
>> existed.
>
> It is a Ford Escape Hybrid.
>
>> Looking at cars.com, edmunds.com, consumer reviews are very positive,
>> with people getting an average of 30-35 MPG city/hwy/mixed.
>>
>> Looks like a nice car,
>
> it's not a car, it's a truck. It is registered like a truck and it meets
> truck safety standards. It also handles differently than a car.
>
> and I plan to have a look at one tomorrow.
>> Anybody with any thoughts about it? Is it nice, is there a long wait to
>> get one from a dealer, are they on 3-6 mo back-order like Priuses? Can
>> you negotiate with the dealer on price, unlike with Priuses?
>
> Depends on the supply. I suspect that the price of gas will start going
> down at the end of the summer and drop pretty far, to around $3 per gallon
> once the crude oil bubble bursts. If that is the case, it should be easier
> to get one in the fall. Of course, that is my best guess about what is
> going to happen.
>
> Check out the Ford Escape Hybrid and Mazda Tribute Hybrid. They're all the
> same vehicle with different badges. You might be able to get one
> significantly cheaper than another or with the options you want.
>
>> Thanks for any and all feedback!
>
>
> Jeff
 >> Stay informed about: Mercury Mariner Hybrid 

Mike hunt wrote:
> I don't know about your state but in most states, SUVs like the Mariner,
> Escape and Tribute are registered and insured as cars, not trucks.

That's funny: Ford is listing the Escape with its trucks, not its cars.
Why do you think it does that?
<http://www.ford.com/about-ford/news-announcements/press-releases/press-releases-detail/pr-retail-sales-for-ford26rsquos-new-28166>

> SUVs
> like the Mariner, Escape and Tribute must meet the same NHTSA safety
> standards as cars, as well

Gee, that's just stupid. SUVs have higher centers of gravity and are
more likely to roll over than cars. The Feds may soon require stronger
roofs for SUVs.
<http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/daily-news/080528-Feds-Will-Soon-Require-Stronger-Roofs-for-SUVs-/>
<http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080527/AUTO01/805270302/1148>

Jeff


> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:YHD0k.2059$Yw1.1385@trndny02...
>> Michael Reinders wrote:
>>> Saw an interesting article on the front page of this morning's Sunday
>>> paper about the 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Didn't even know it
>>> existed.
>> It is a Ford Escape Hybrid.
>>
>>> Looking at cars.com, edmunds.com, consumer reviews are very positive,
>>> with people getting an average of 30-35 MPG city/hwy/mixed.
>>>
>>> Looks like a nice car,
>> it's not a car, it's a truck. It is registered like a truck and it meets
>> truck safety standards. It also handles differently than a car.
>>
>> and I plan to have a look at one tomorrow.
>>> Anybody with any thoughts about it? Is it nice, is there a long wait to
>>> get one from a dealer, are they on 3-6 mo back-order like Priuses? Can
>>> you negotiate with the dealer on price, unlike with Priuses?
>> Depends on the supply. I suspect that the price of gas will start going
>> down at the end of the summer and drop pretty far, to around $3 per gallon
>> once the crude oil bubble bursts. If that is the case, it should be easier
>> to get one in the fall. Of course, that is my best guess about what is
>> going to happen.
>>
>> Check out the Ford Escape Hybrid and Mazda Tribute Hybrid. They're all the
>> same vehicle with different badges. You might be able to get one
>> significantly cheaper than another or with the options you want.
>>
>>> Thanks for any and all feedback!
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Mercury Mariner Hybrid 

Once again you pick and choose. What YOU said was they were licensed as
trucks, that is what I addressed because that if NOT correct. They are sold
as SUVs and thus passenger vehicles and licensed as cars. You can prove it
to yourself if you want, look on the plate. On a truck it will say
"truck." You will not see the word truck on an SUV plate. It makes no
difference if the SUV is truck based or car base. The same is true in the
reverse. The car based Honda Ridgeline is licensed as a truck.

You apparently fell for the missives of the SUV Nazis. NO vehicle is
prone to roll over, period. ALL vehicles have a tendency to fall back on
their wheels when tipped, even if tipped up to over forty five degrees.

You might try broadening your knowledge a bit. Do a search of the center
of gravity of a vehicle, for one. If you do a search you will discover the
center of gravity of a vehicle is centered in the mass of the drive train
and has more to do with wheel height than vehicle height. If vehicle
height was indeed a factor one should expect to see box trucks rolling over
every day. The fact remains SUVs and cars must meet ALL of the same NHTSA
safety standards to be sold in the US, regardless of what you may chose to
believe.







"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike hunt wrote:
>> I don't know about your state but in most states, SUVs like the Mariner,
>> Escape and Tribute are registered and insured as cars, not trucks.
>
> That's funny: Ford is listing the Escape with its trucks, not its cars.
> Why do you think it does that?
> <http://www.ford.com/about-ford/news-announcements/press-releases/press-releases-detail/pr-retail-sales-for-ford26rsquos-new-28166>
>
>> SUVs like the Mariner, Escape and Tribute must meet the same NHTSA safety
>> standards as cars, as well
>
> Gee, that's just stupid. SUVs have higher centers of gravity and are more
> likely to roll over than cars. The Feds may soon require stronger roofs
> for SUVs.
> <http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/daily-news/080528-Feds-Will-Soon-Require-Stronger-Roofs-for-SUVs-/>
> <http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080527/AUTO01/805270302/1148>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:YHD0k.2059$Yw1.1385@trndny02...
>>> Michael Reinders wrote:
>>>> Saw an interesting article on the front page of this morning's Sunday
>>>> paper about the 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Didn't even know it
>>>> existed.
>>> It is a Ford Escape Hybrid.
>>>
>>>> Looking at cars.com, edmunds.com, consumer reviews are very positive,
>>>> with people getting an average of 30-35 MPG city/hwy/mixed.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like a nice car,
>>> it's not a car, it's a truck. It is registered like a truck and it meets
>>> truck safety standards. It also handles differently than a car.
>>>
>>> and I plan to have a look at one tomorrow.
>>>> Anybody with any thoughts about it? Is it nice, is there a long wait
>>>> to get one from a dealer, are they on 3-6 mo back-order like Priuses?
>>>> Can you negotiate with the dealer on price, unlike with Priuses?
>>> Depends on the supply. I suspect that the price of gas will start going
>>> down at the end of the summer and drop pretty far, to around $3 per
>>> gallon once the crude oil bubble bursts. If that is the case, it should
>>> be easier to get one in the fall. Of course, that is my best guess about
>>> what is going to happen.
>>>
>>> Check out the Ford Escape Hybrid and Mazda Tribute Hybrid. They're all
>>> the same vehicle with different badges. You might be able to get one
>>> significantly cheaper than another or with the options you want.
>>>
>>>> Thanks for any and all feedback!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Mercury Mariner Hybrid 

"Michael Reinders" <mdreinders.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Saw an interesting article on the front page of this morning's Sunday
> paper about the 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Didn't even know it existed.
>
> Looking at cars.com, edmunds.com, consumer reviews are very positive, with
> people getting an average of 30-35 MPG city/hwy/mixed.
>
> Looks like a nice car, and I plan to have a look at one tomorrow. Anybody
> with any thoughts about it? Is it nice, is there a long wait to get one
> from a dealer, are they on 3-6 mo back-order like Priuses? Can you
> negotiate with the dealer on price, unlike with Priuses?
>
> Thanks for any and all feedback!
>
> --
> Michael Reinders

If I'm not mistaking, it's actually a Ford/Mercury with a Toyota Hybrid
system... or that was the case when they were first introduced.
Considering the reliability of Toyota, I'd say it would be an excellent
choice.

Willy
 >> Stay informed about: Mercury Mariner Hybrid 

Except that is not true, both companies are licensed to the same technology
that was developed by both companies via Volvo. Ford system is not the
same as used in Toyota hybrids




"Willy" <wesk RemoveThis @prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> "Michael Reinders" <mdreinders RemoveThis @wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4842e0c3$0$31742$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Saw an interesting article on the front page of this morning's Sunday
>> paper about the 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Didn't even know it
>> existed.
>>
>> Looking at cars.com, edmunds.com, consumer reviews are very positive,
>> with people getting an average of 30-35 MPG city/hwy/mixed.
>>
>> Looks like a nice car, and I plan to have a look at one tomorrow.
>> Anybody with any thoughts about it? Is it nice, is there a long wait to
>> get one from a dealer, are they on 3-6 mo back-order like Priuses? Can
>> you negotiate with the dealer on price, unlike with Priuses?
>>
>> Thanks for any and all feedback!
>>
>> --
>> Michael Reinders
>
> If I'm not mistaking, it's actually a Ford/Mercury with a Toyota Hybrid
> system... or that was the case when they were first introduced.
> Considering the reliability of Toyota, I'd say it would be an excellent
> choice.
>
> Willy
 >> Stay informed about: Mercury Mariner Hybrid 

Mike hunt wrote:
> Once again you pick and choose. What YOU said was they were licensed as
> trucks, that is what I addressed because that if NOT correct. They are sold
> as SUVs and thus passenger vehicles and licensed as cars. You can prove it
> to yourself if you want, look on the plate. On a truck it will say
> "truck." You will not see the word truck on an SUV plate. It makes no
> difference if the SUV is truck based or car base. The same is true in the
> reverse. The car based Honda Ridgeline is licensed as a truck.
>
> You apparently fell for the missives of the SUV Nazis. NO vehicle is
> prone to roll over, period.

A much more accurate statement is some vehicles are more likely to
rollover than others, and SUVs, because they are so high off the ground
are more likely to roll over than other vehicles, which is why the NHTSA
is issuing new rules because of rollovers.

> ALL vehicles have a tendency to fall back on
> their wheels when tipped, even if tipped up to over forty five degrees.
>
> You might try broadening your knowledge a bit. Do a search of the center
> of gravity of a vehicle, for one. If you do a search you will discover the
> center of gravity of a vehicle is centered in the mass of the drive train
> and has more to do with wheel height than vehicle height. If vehicle
> height was indeed a factor one should expect to see box trucks rolling over
> every day. The fact remains SUVs and cars must meet ALL of the same NHTSA
> safety standards to be sold in the US, regardless of what you may chose to
> believe.

Wrong.

Jeff
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Oo%0k.2178$v%.425@trndny04...
>> Mike hunt wrote:
>>> I don't know about your state but in most states, SUVs like the Mariner,
>>> Escape and Tribute are registered and insured as cars, not trucks.
>> That's funny: Ford is listing the Escape with its trucks, not its cars.
>> Why do you think it does that?
>> <http://www.ford.com/about-ford/news-announcements/press-releases/press-releases-detail/pr-retail-sales-for-ford26rsquos-new-28166>
>>
>>> SUVs like the Mariner, Escape and Tribute must meet the same NHTSA safety
>>> standards as cars, as well
>> Gee, that's just stupid. SUVs have higher centers of gravity and are more
>> likely to roll over than cars. The Feds may soon require stronger roofs
>> for SUVs.
>> <http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/daily-news/080528-Feds-Will-Soon-Require-Stronger-Roofs-for-SUVs-/>
>> <http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080527/AUTO01/805270302/1148>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:YHD0k.2059$Yw1.1385@trndny02...
>>>> Michael Reinders wrote:
>>>>> Saw an interesting article on the front page of this morning's Sunday
>>>>> paper about the 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Didn't even know it
>>>>> existed.
>>>> It is a Ford Escape Hybrid.
>>>>
>>>>> Looking at cars.com, edmunds.com, consumer reviews are very positive,
>>>>> with people getting an average of 30-35 MPG city/hwy/mixed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like a nice car,
>>>> it's not a car, it's a truck. It is registered like a truck and it meets
>>>> truck safety standards. It also handles differently than a car.
>>>>
>>>> and I plan to have a look at one tomorrow.
>>>>> Anybody with any thoughts about it? Is it nice, is there a long wait
>>>>> to get one from a dealer, are they on 3-6 mo back-order like Priuses?
>>>>> Can you negotiate with the dealer on price, unlike with Priuses?
>>>> Depends on the supply. I suspect that the price of gas will start going
>>>> down at the end of the summer and drop pretty far, to around $3 per
>>>> gallon once the crude oil bubble bursts. If that is the case, it should
>>>> be easier to get one in the fall. Of course, that is my best guess about
>>>> what is going to happen.
>>>>
>>>> Check out the Ford Escape Hybrid and Mazda Tribute Hybrid. They're all
>>>> the same vehicle with different badges. You might be able to get one
>>>> significantly cheaper than another or with the options you want.
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any and all feedback!
>>>> Jeff
>
 >> Stay informed about: Mercury Mariner Hybrid 

Mike hunt wrote:
> Except that is not true, both companies are licensed to the same technology
> that was developed by both companies via Volvo. Ford system is not the
> same as used in Toyota hybrids

That's correct.

Jeff

>
> "Willy" <wesk.RemoveThis@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:Wog1k.540$L_.249@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> "Michael Reinders" <mdreinders.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:4842e0c3$0$31742$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Saw an interesting article on the front page of this morning's Sunday
>>> paper about the 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Didn't even know it
>>> existed.
>>>
>>> Looking at cars.com, edmunds.com, consumer reviews are very positive,
>>> with people getting an average of 30-35 MPG city/hwy/mixed.
>>>
>>> Looks like a nice car, and I plan to have a look at one tomorrow.
>>> Anybody with any thoughts about it? Is it nice, is there a long wait to
>>> get one from a dealer, are they on 3-6 mo back-order like Priuses? Can
>>> you negotiate with the dealer on price, unlike with Priuses?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any and all feedback!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Reinders
>> If I'm not mistaking, it's actually a Ford/Mercury with a Toyota Hybrid
>> system... or that was the case when they were first introduced.
>> Considering the reliability of Toyota, I'd say it would be an excellent
>> choice.
>>
>> Willy
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Mercury Mariner Hybrid 

"Mike hunt" <mikehunt22 DeleteThis @lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Except that is not true, both companies are licensed to the same
> technology that was developed by both companies via Volvo. Ford system
> is not the same as used in Toyota hybrids
>
>
>
>
> "Willy" <wesk DeleteThis @prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:Wog1k.540$L_.249@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> "Michael Reinders" <mdreinders DeleteThis @wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:4842e0c3$0$31742$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Saw an interesting article on the front page of this morning's Sunday
>>> paper about the 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Didn't even know it
>>> existed.
>>>
>>> Looking at cars.com, edmunds.com, consumer reviews are very positive,
>>> with people getting an average of 30-35 MPG city/hwy/mixed.
>>>
>>> Looks like a nice car, and I plan to have a look at one tomorrow.
>>> Anybody with any thoughts about it? Is it nice, is there a long wait to
>>> get one from a dealer, are they on 3-6 mo back-order like Priuses? Can
>>> you negotiate with the dealer on price, unlike with Priuses?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any and all feedback!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Reinders
>>
>> If I'm not mistaking, it's actually a Ford/Mercury with a Toyota Hybrid
>> system... or that was the case when they were first introduced.
>> Considering the reliability of Toyota, I'd say it would be an excellent
>> choice.
>>
>> Willy
>
>

Obviously the article I read neglected to mention this, particularly the
Volvo connection.

I stand corrected, and thanks for the info.

Interesting considering Volvo does not have a Hybrid in their line up to my
knowledge.

Willy
 >> Stay informed about: Mercury Mariner Hybrid 

"Michael Reinders" <mdreinders.TakeThisOut@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4842e0c3$0$31742$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Saw an interesting article on the front page of this morning's Sunday
> paper about the 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Didn't even know it existed.
>
> Looking at cars.com, edmunds.com, consumer reviews are very positive, with
> people getting an average of 30-35 MPG city/hwy/mixed.
>
> Looks like a nice car, and I plan to have a look at one tomorrow. Anybody
> with any thoughts about it? Is it nice, is there a long wait to get one
> from a dealer, are they on 3-6 mo back-order like Priuses? Can you
> negotiate with the dealer on price, unlike with Priuses?
>
> Thanks for any and all feedback!
>
> --
> Michael Reinders

I bought an Escape Hybrid in Sept and according to the car's computer, i"m
getting about 22 MPG combined driving. I do have the 4WD version which
isn't as good as the 2WD for milage and I have a bit of a lead foot for
acceleration (not so much for top speed). FWIW

I am changing jobs and expect much more highway driving. I am interested to
see how that works out. I also wonder if calculating milage with the old
fashond fill the tank and reset the odometer method will be better than what
the computer states because I think it inadequately accounts for idling with
engine off like in a drive through line as opposed to a short stop at a
light.

In northern CA at least you can still buy one from dealer stock same day no
waiting if you have good credit but don't expect any incentives. Just about
every Ford sale does not benefit the Hybrids. If you wanted a deal, you
missed it when they sold out the o7's with the old body style last year.

If you just want good highway milage don't bother with the extra expense of
the hybrid, just get the 4cyl Escape/Mariner or whatever and save well over
a few grand. If you really do a lot of city driving (or stop and go jams)
then a hybrid may be an advantage. The first ten or so miles in the morning
while it warms up the engine, it will not run in battery mode so very short
and infrequent trips also offer little advantage (another factor in my low
milage) over a 4cyl engine

They are way greener WRT emissions but only marginally better than a similar
weight 4cyl engine car or small SUV and only with the right driving
conditions and style. My favorite thing was the CVT trnasmission because it
makes the car accelerate very smooth. I'm quite satisfied overall after
driving the same Explorer for 15 years.
 >> Stay informed about: Mercury Mariner Hybrid 

Willy wrote:
> "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22.TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:wLGdnR1CVe4YLNjVnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@ptd.net...
>> Except that is not true, both companies are licensed to the same
>> technology that was developed by both companies via Volvo. Ford
>> system is not the same as used in Toyota hybrids
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Willy" <wesk.TakeThisOut@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>> news:Wog1k.540$L_.249@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> "Michael Reinders" <mdreinders.TakeThisOut@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4842e0c3$0$31742$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Saw an interesting article on the front page of this morning's
>>>> Sunday paper about the 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Didn't even
>>>> know it existed.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at cars.com, edmunds.com, consumer reviews are very
>>>> positive, with people getting an average of 30-35 MPG city/hwy/mixed.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like a nice car, and I plan to have a look at one tomorrow.
>>>> Anybody with any thoughts about it? Is it nice, is there a long
>>>> wait to get one from a dealer, are they on 3-6 mo back-order like
>>>> Priuses? Can you negotiate with the dealer on price, unlike with
>>>> Priuses?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any and all feedback!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Michael Reinders
>>>
>>> If I'm not mistaking, it's actually a Ford/Mercury with a Toyota
>>> Hybrid system... or that was the case when they were first
>>> introduced. Considering the reliability of Toyota, I'd say it would
>>> be an excellent choice.
>>>
>>> Willy
>>
>>
>
> Obviously the article I read neglected to mention this, particularly the
> Volvo connection.
>
> I stand corrected, and thanks for the info.
>
> Interesting considering Volvo does not have a Hybrid in their line up to
> my knowledge.
>
> Willy


The technology came from Volvo around 2001, when Ford bought Volvo.

Jeff
 >> Stay informed about: Mercury Mariner Hybrid