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Kikune Mikutamo

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(Msg. 46) Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:32 pm
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"ACAR" <getoutanpush RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
[snip ...]
> 2008 Corvette will have a 430 HP engine standard. Weighs a bit less
> than those sedans, too. Corvette's not a luxury car? Well, if Dave can
> tell me the Lexus LS is a driver's car, I can call the 'Vette a luxury
> car, OK?

Yup, sounds good to me ...

DaveW: so I guess you don't have a Lexus you'd stack up
against an M3 *right now*, do you?

We're not talking "woulda coulda shoulda" here, or what might be
available, depending if said Lexus really does come with that much HP,
and I suppose depending if the M3 doesn't change, and depending if
the Lexus isn't "portly" and hampered by excessive weight added by
the need for more coddling and comfort ...

Going out on a limb here, I'd say an early 70s Datsun 510 was more
of a "driver's car" than most any Lexus so far ... =8^o
Kumquat, indeed.

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(Msg. 47) Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:01 am
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 21:32:02 -0600, "Kikune Mikutamo"
<munged.RemoveThis@doesntexist.org> wrote:

>"ACAR" <getoutanpush.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[snip ...]
>> 2008 Corvette will have a 430 HP engine standard. Weighs a bit less
>> than those sedans, too. Corvette's not a luxury car? Well, if Dave can
>> tell me the Lexus LS is a driver's car, I can call the 'Vette a luxury
>> car, OK?
>
>Yup, sounds good to me ...
>
>DaveW: so I guess you don't have a Lexus you'd stack up
>against an M3 *right now*, do you?

"Stack up against"? That entirely depends on personal preference,
doesn't it?

It's a matter of taste. I'd much rather drive my GS430 than an M3.
Otherwise, I'd have bought an M3.

>We're not talking "woulda coulda shoulda" here, or what might be
>available, depending if said Lexus really does come with that much HP,
>and I suppose depending if the M3 doesn't change, and depending if
>the Lexus isn't "portly" and hampered by excessive weight added by
>the need for more coddling and comfort ...

Comfort is a positive attribute to me.

>Going out on a limb here, I'd say an early 70s Datsun 510 was more
>of a "driver's car" than most any Lexus so far ... =8^o

You're way out on that limb. This whole concept of "driver's car" is a
little fuzzy to me - is it more desirable to have a harsher
suspension, hard seats and more noise in everyday traffic conditions?
I don't race on public streets, and like most M3 owners, my car will
never see a racetrack.

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Kikune Mikutamo

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(Msg. 48) Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:55 pm
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"DaveW" <yzfr1ny RemoveThis @yahoooo.com> wrote in message
> >[snip ...]
> You're way out on that limb. This whole concept of "driver's car" is a
> little fuzzy to me - is it more desirable to have a harsher
> suspension, hard seats and more noise in everyday traffic conditions?
> I don't race on public streets, and like most M3 owners, my car will
> never see a racetrack.

I agree, everyone has their own tastes, likes and dislikes.

Hmmm, so a "driver's car" equates to racing on public streets?
I suspect many of those who prefer a "driver's car" want a car
that communicates what it's doing, and one that is dependably
responsive to their input.

I think your statement about a "driver's car" concept being fuzzy
is a bit disingenuous, though. You know what we're talking about,
and you know, however good your Lexus is, that it doesn't fit the bill
in that respect. If those attributes don't matter much to you, fine.
Just don't pretend that there's something wrong with people who do
appreciate them, or that your vehicle is superior. It isn't.

How's this: a driver's car is fun to drive, for those who enjoy that sort of
thing?

For others, we have Buicks ...




And Lexus ...





Sorry, Buick owners, that was unfair.

Ha ha.
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