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Since: Oct 30, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:38 pm
Post subject: GM'S Istar
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:55 pm
Post subject: Re: GM'S Istar [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> GM wants $20.00 per mth for someone to tell you how to go from one
> location to another,
<snip the nonsense>
1. It's OnStar not IStar, this shows how misinformed you are.
2. The basic package is $16.95US/mo ($199/a)and the directions package is
$34.95US/mo ($399/a).
3. OnStar has a lot more safety orientated features than AAA or CAA could
ever provide. Let's take a look:
-CAA/AAA will never know when your airbags are deployed.
-CAA/AAA has to dispatch a tow truck to unlock your doors for you.
-CAA/AAA will not even look for your car if it's stolen.
-CAA/AAA will not provide you with 911 type services at the touch of a
button.
-For $69.95US/mo OnStar will provide you with a secretary! Let's see CAA/AAA
do that.
4. Get informed and if you don't like it, don't buy it.
Personally, I'd give my left nut to have OnStar just for the Safety and
Security features.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:55 pm
Post subject: Re: GM'S Istar [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Jake wrote:
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> that will make most of todays computer navigation equipment in
> to-days auto's useless. if they are installed in you car you won't be
> able to use them.
Most Onstar equipped vehicles are at risk of loosing service when analog
cell phone shuts down. This will start happening in the US in January
2008.
Real navigation systems with an in-car LCD display do not use the cell
phone connection and will not be effected.
John >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:47 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:53 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:55 pm
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> The only nut you have is between your ears.
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> by 2008 Onstar will be useless, the computer software that GM uses in
> Onstar navigating about nine years old.
What's your point. >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:55 pm
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> I cannot see anyone pay for Onstar, its history after 2008.
> I do prefer the lcd display.
> cheers...
I prefer the LCD display as well. OnStar is not history after 2008. Read the
posts between 'stingray' and I, visit the links. You will see, older OnStar
vehicles that are analogue only will not work after 2008, but OnStar systems
are now Digital/Analogue capable so they will continue to work after the
100% digital requirement.
Steve >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:20 pm
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 03:36:51 GMT, John Horner
wrote:
>>As far as I can tell, GM didn't start putting in dual mode capable sets
>>until 2003 or 2004, it is hard to find a straight answer. I am told
>>that for our 2002 Olds I am SOL. Somehow buying a feature in 2002
>>which will become useless only six years later seems highly
>>unsatisfactory to me, and GM certainly didn't warn me when I bought my
>>car that the Onstar feature would stop working in six years.
>>
>>Once again, GM sticks it to it's customers IMO.
This one you can blame more on the cellular companies....they are the
ones that are getting rid of analog cell coverage. >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:28 pm
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"John Horner" wrote in message
> As far as I can tell, GM didn't start putting in dual mode capable sets
> until 2003 or 2004, it is hard to find a straight answer. I am told that
> for our 2002 Olds I am SOL. Somehow buying a feature in 2002 which will
> become useless only six years later seems highly unsatisfactory to me, and
> GM certainly didn't warn me when I bought my car that the Onstar feature
> would stop working in six years.
And RCA didn't warn you that your betamax would become obsolete when VHS
came out. And VHS would become obsolete with the advent of DVD. That's the
way technology goes John.
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> Once again, GM sticks it to it's customers IMO.
>
> John
John, you appear to have lost focus here. My response was to your comment:
"Most Onstar equipped vehicles are at risk of loosing service when analog
cell phone shuts down. This will start happening in the US in January
2008." That is clearly not the case . Now swallow your pride John and say
"Okay gang, I screwed up". 
I've got a buck that says you don't have the cajones to swallow your pride
on this. >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:55 pm
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Steve Mackie wrote:
>> I cannot see anyone pay for Onstar, its history after 2008.
>>I do prefer the lcd display.
>>cheers...
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> I prefer the LCD display as well. OnStar is not history after 2008. Read the
> posts between 'stingray' and I, visit the links. You will see, older OnStar
> vehicles that are analogue only will not work after 2008, but OnStar systems
> are now Digital/Analogue capable so they will continue to work after the
> 100% digital requirement.
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> Steve
>
>
Older is sure a relative term. We are not talking 20 year old vehicles
here, but cars which were sold as recently as two or three years ago.
John >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:55 am
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> As far as I can tell, GM didn't start putting in dual mode capable sets
> until 2003 or 2004, it is hard to find a straight answer. I am told that
> for our 2002 Olds I am SOL. Somehow buying a feature in 2002 which will
> become useless only six years later seems highly unsatisfactory to me, and
> GM certainly didn't warn me when I bought my car that the Onstar feature
> would stop working in six years.
Funny how that works, you know, technology, the way it keeps advancing.
Seems like only 4 years ago I bought 1.5GB of SDRAM for my computer, once I
need a new motherboard I'm going to have to buy all new RAM because my old
stuff won't work in new motherboards. Damnit computer manufacturers sticking
it to the customer.
Someone mentioned Beta, how long did that last anyways? 4-6 years? Maybe? I
remember my Aunt bought a Beta VCR for big buck in the early-mid 80s and
once VHS came out they couldn't give Beta away.
Remember LaserDiscs? There was a short lived technology.
Just deal with it, no one is sticking it to anyone, and as someone else
stated, it's the cell companies that started the switch from analogue to
digital.
Steve >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:55 am
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"Steve Mackie" wrote in message
> Remember LaserDiscs? There was a short lived technology.
> Steve
LMAO! I sure do! Thank Gawd my wife talked me out of buying one. They were
amazing quality when they came out and I was sure they were the next video
breakthrough. Ooops! >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:55 pm
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Brad Clarke wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 03:36:51 GMT, John Horner
> wrote:
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>>>As far as I can tell, GM didn't start putting in dual mode capable sets
>>>until 2003 or 2004, it is hard to find a straight answer. I am told
>>>that for our 2002 Olds I am SOL. Somehow buying a feature in 2002
>>>which will become useless only six years later seems highly
>>>unsatisfactory to me, and GM certainly didn't warn me when I bought my
>>>car that the Onstar feature would stop working in six years.
>>>
>>>Once again, GM sticks it to it's customers IMO.
>
> This one you can blame more on the cellular companies....they are the
> ones that are getting rid of analog cell coverage.
Analog was clearly on the way out in 2002 when GM built and sold me my
vehicle. >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:55 pm
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"John Horner" wrote in message
>> This one you can blame more on the cellular companies....they are the
>> ones that are getting rid of analog cell coverage.
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> Analog was clearly on the way out in 2002 when GM built and sold me my
> vehicle.
Then the question begs to be asked, if you knew that analog was "clearly" on
the way out when you bought your car with OnStar, why are you blaming GM?
John, when you point your index finger at GM, remember, there are usually 3
fingers pointing right back at you. John, you're flip-flopping worse than a
politician here! Just like your "its history after 2008." comment. John,
you've lost your argument on its two principle issues. Give it up and admit
defeat! *lol* >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:25 pm
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"Jake" wrote in message
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> The only nut you have is between your ears.
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> by 2008 Onstar will be useless, the computer software that GM uses in
> Onstar navigating about nine years old.
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I would be surprised of the system wasn't flash upgradeable or "e-prom/chip"
upgradeable. Think about it. If the system in the car is no longer useful,
GM looses the revenue stream from the service. That won't happen, I'm sure. >> Stay informed about: GM'S Istar |
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