Dodge Intrepid 2.7L engine problems Replace with 3.2

With a name of "toyota1", I wouldn't trust this person's work on my Mopar.
My 2.7 has just under 96,000 miles on it. Still has a lot of power, and no
smoking, whatsoever. What's the problem?

Larry
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"toyota1" wrote in message

| Anyone having problems with the dodge intrepid 2.7 L engine, I have a
| cheaper and better solution for you. I own an automotive shop and we have
| been installing the optional 3.2l engine with very successful results,
| cheaper than a replacement 2.7l. If you have any questions or interest in
| the 3.2 conversion, feel free to contact me via email.
|
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The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested have
passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes in
some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
situation.
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larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle. sorry
you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
20k miles and is running perfectly.
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Alot of that is due to using the wrong viscostiy oil, and not changing it
at the proper time, i havent seen alot of problems here at the shop except
for a few....and they were destroyed because the owners neglected them.
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
"toyota1" wrote in message

 > larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
 > cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
 > form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
 > and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
 > breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
 > to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle.
sorry
 > you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
 > engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
 > failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
 > transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
 > miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
 > 20k miles and is running perfectly.
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O...im not refering to now, im talking about a few yrs down the road when
they fail, when the numbers dont match and the veci sticker doesnt jive and
maybe time for a waiver, or the inspector catches it, like i said, that is
considered Tampering. I bouhgt my wife a 2003 sebring with the
2.7............. 5w30 oil every 3k. i wont have a problem
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
"toyota1" wrote in message

 > The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested have
 > passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
 > State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes in
 > some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
 > situation.
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Before the law was revised in 1990, it was only illegal for professional
mechanics to remove or disconnect emission control devices. There was
nothing to prevent a motorist from tampering with their own vehicles. That
loophole has since been plugged.

THINGS NOT TO DO

Any of the following may be considered emissions tampering and get you into
trouble:

a.. Removing the EGR valve or plugging its vacuum lines
b.. Removing or disconnecting the PCV valve
c.. Removing the stock air cleaner and heat riser duct plumbing
d.. Removing the catalytic converter
e.. Removing or disconnecting the air pump
f.. Removing or modifying the stock distributor vacuum advance/retard
g.. Altering the stock ignition advance mechanism or timing curve
h.. Replacing the stock distributor with an aftermarket unit that is not
emissions certified
i.. Modifying, removing or replacing the stock computer or PROM chip with
a non-certified component
j.. Blocking the heat riser duct under the intake manifold
k.. Knocking out the filler restrictor on the fuel tank inlet pipe
l.. Replacing the stock non-vented gas cap with a vented cap
m.. Removing or disconnecting the fuel vapor recovery canister
n.. Changing the idle mixture or stock carburetor jetting
o.. Removing or modifying the carburetor choke
p.. Modifying or replacing the carburetor accelerator pump with
non-certified components
q.. Installing an intake manifold or racing manifold that lacks provisions
for the stock EGR valve and/or a heat riser duct
r.. Installing a carburetor that lacks the stock emission hookups
s.. Installing non-certified fuel injectors
t.. Installing a long duration "racing" cam that is not
emissions-certified
u.. Installing exhaust headers that lack provisions for a heat riser
valve, an air cleaner preheat stove or fittings for an oxygen sensor (if
required)
v.. Installing valve covers with open breathers or no fittings for a PCV
valve
w.. Installing any induction, fuel or ignition system component that is
NOT emissions legal
"toyota1" wrote in message

 > The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested have
 > passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
 > State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes in
 > some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
 > situation.
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5w30 Synthetic? Or, dino?

"maxpower" wrote in message

 > O...im not refering to now, im talking about a few yrs down the road when
 > they fail, when the numbers dont match and the veci sticker doesnt jive
 > and
 > maybe time for a waiver, or the inspector catches it, like i said, that is
 > considered Tampering. I bouhgt my wife a 2003 sebring with the
 > 2.7............. 5w30 oil every 3k. i wont have a problem
 > Glenn Beasley
 > Chrysler Tech


  >> The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested
  >> have
  >> passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
  >> State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes
  >> in
  >> some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
  >> situation.
  >>
 >
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THE 3.2 ENGINE USES ALL OF THE 2.7 EMISSION COMPONENTS AND IT OPERATES
EXACT SAME AS THE 2.7 WOULD HAVE. NO COMPONENTS IN THE EVAP SYSTEM,
CATALYTIC, EGR, ETC ARE REMOVED.
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Most we have seen have been sluged badly, due to maintenance issues, but
the intrepid i own had its oil changed every 3000 miles since new, and the
timing chain failed at 45k still.
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also, how is it considered tampering when none of the emissions components
are removed or compromised? would it not be the same "tampering" if you
were to remove a v6 from a 1981 monte carlo and replace with a 5.7l???
all you are doing is replacing the standard 2.7 with the optional
3.2l---90% of the parts except hoses, intake and radiator are
different......
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I don't have sludging problems. Maybe my oil, filter and maintenance
combinations work. I don't use Pennzoil. Here's one oil that creates sludge.
I've seen it sludge up rebuilt engines in no time. I just can't bring myself
to buy a foreign manufacturer's vehicle.

Larry
Unlock the Universe

"toyota1" wrote in message

| larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
| cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
| form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
| and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
| breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
| to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle.
sorry
| you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
| engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
| failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
| transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
| miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
| 20k miles and is running perfectly.
|
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:52:15 -0700, "Larry Crites"
wrote:

 >I don't have sludging problems. Maybe my oil, filter and maintenance
 >combinations work. I don't use Pennzoil. Here's one oil that creates sludge.
 >I've seen it sludge up rebuilt engines in no time. I just can't bring myself
 >to buy a foreign manufacturer's vehicle.
 >
 >Larry
 >Unlock the Universe

For me, that "foreign manufacturer" builts Corollas only a few miles
from my home, and many people in my town make their living there.
Another major "foreign manufacturer" (Honda) builds vehicles just over
100km away in Aliston Ont - and there are a significant number of jobs
in our area supplying parts etc for that plant as well.

Then there is tha "German" company, that builds cars in Bramalea, also
within 100km of here, as well as in Windor, Belvedere Ind., Mexico,
and at least a dozen other places - the company formerly known as
Chrysler.
 >


 >| larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
 >| cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
 >| form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
 >| and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
 >| breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
 >| to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle.
 >sorry
 >| you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
 >| engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
 >| failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
 >| transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
 >| miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
 >| 20k miles and is running perfectly.
 >|
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Yes, there are jobs here for "our" people, and their money comes back into
their community. But where do the corporate profits go that pays the big
officer's salaries? There's still a Pentastar in Highland Park. I know,
there is no "American" auto manufacturer anymore, with all the imported
parts, assembly across our border, etc. But, at least the assembly portion
is North American. Besides, I like Canada. Has lots of pretty areas. A lot
of the people are nice, too.

Larry
Unlock the Universe

wrote in message

|
| For me, that "foreign manufacturer" builts Corollas only a few miles
| from my home, and many people in my town make their living there.
| Another major "foreign manufacturer" (Honda) builds vehicles just over
| 100km away in Aliston Ont - and there are a significant number of jobs
| in our area supplying parts etc for that plant as well.
|
| Then there is tha "German" company, that builds cars in Bramalea, also
| within 100km of here, as well as in Windor, Belvedere Ind., Mexico,
| and at least a dozen other places - the company formerly known as
| Chrysler.
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