Internal Engine Cleaners

"Doug" wrote in message

> Hi group, hope your all having a good day!
>
> I was wondering, is the Rislone or any other Engine cleaners worth the
> plastic there put in? I'm speaking of the kind they say to put in before
> an oil change, run it for a few miles, and then change your oil...
>
> Just curious about this for an older vehicle..
>
> TIA,
>
> Doug
>

Well Marvel makes a pretty good one, or you could use a quart of diesel
fuel. Although the best thing to do is change your oil religously at 3,000mi
intervals and your engine will never need the cleaning, unless it's grossly
overheated.

Ford Tech
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Doug wrote:
> Hi group, hope your all having a good day!
>
> I was wondering, is the Rislone or any other Engine cleaners worth
> the
> plastic there put in?

If they were required and needed, Ford would say so in there owner's
manual. They don't, so I don't!! I'd rather have another Big Mac.

Tom J
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:53:40 -0500, "Tom J"
wrote:

>If they were required and needed, Ford would say so in there owner's
>manual. They don't, so I don't!! I'd rather have another Big Mac.


I agree, if you use good oil and change it often there is nothing to
flush out. My son once thied to flush a car engine in a used car he
got that had seen poor maintainance. He blew the motor in less than
100 miles when the sludge cut loose all at once and plugged up the
oiling system.
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On Feb 3, 4:30 pm, SnoMan wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:53:40 -0500, "Tom J"
> wrote:
>
> >If they were required and needed, Ford would say so in there owner's
> >manual. They don't, so I don't!! I'd rather have another Big Mac.
>
> I agree, if you use good oil and change it often there is nothing to
> flush out. My son once thied to flush a car engine in a used car he
> got that had seen poor maintainance. He blew the motor in less than
> 100 miles when the sludge cut loose all at once and plugged up the
> oiling system.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

Best thing to do usually is to drive the vehicle until it's up to
normal operating temp. then drain the oil so that most any settlement
and sludge will be in solution and will run oil with the oil. I do use
1 qt of LUCAS oil treatment when I change the oil, just gives you a
better oil film on the parts
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On Feb 3, 8:18 am, "Doug" wrote:
> Hi group, hope your all having a good day!
>
> I was wondering, is the Rislone or any other Engine cleaners worth the
> plastic there put in? I'm speaking of the kind they say to put in before an
> oil change, run it for a few miles, and then change your oil...
>
> Just curious about this for an older vehicle..

If you regularly change the oil, and the engine is able to typically
warm up completely before you are shutting it off, there should be no
reason to use any additive. Yes, those products probably do
something. But they aren't required. As others said, Diesel fuel or
ATF can work just as well.

If the care of the vehicle is unknown, and you have reasons to believe
there is significant sludge build up, you're best to just leave it.
If you were to cause the sludge to start flowing through the oil
system again, it can easily get stuck in the oil pickup screen and
restrict oil flow. I certainly wouldn't do a flush job on the oil
system without having an oil pressure sensor so I could shut down if
things become plugged.
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On 5 Feb 2007 08:02:39 -0800, "Magnus" wrote:

>Best thing to do usually is to drive the vehicle until it's up to
>normal operating temp. then drain the oil so that most any settlement
>and sludge will be in solution and will run oil with the oil.


Good advise to drain it while it is warm and stirred up, I always do

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That's exactly what it is. And they've been like that for over 20 years. I
remember putting in a special resistor on the late 80's / early 90's
aerostars to make the gauge read a bit higher than they were.

--
Steve Barker


"The Cross-eyed Barber" wrote in message

>
> Speaking of oil pressure sensors... My '95 Ranger has an oil pressure
> gage, but the sensor is just an oil pressure switch. If I have oil
> pressure, the needle comes up, no oil pressure... bottom peg. No more
> useful than an idiot light. Now why bother putting in a gage? Is it
> an attempt to fool the consumer? (don't get me wrong, I love my
> Ranger!)
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On 5 Feb 2007 13:14:04 -0800, "Mike H" wrote:

>On Feb 3, 8:18 am, "Doug" wrote:
>> Hi group, hope your all having a good day!
>>
>> I was wondering, is the Rislone or any other Engine cleaners worth the
>> plastic there put in? I'm speaking of the kind they say to put in before an
>> oil change, run it for a few miles, and then change your oil...
>>
>> Just curious about this for an older vehicle..
>
>If you regularly change the oil, and the engine is able to typically
>warm up completely before you are shutting it off, there should be no
>reason to use any additive. Yes, those products probably do
>something. But they aren't required. As others said, Diesel fuel or
>ATF can work just as well.
>
>If the care of the vehicle is unknown, and you have reasons to believe
>there is significant sludge build up, you're best to just leave it.
>If you were to cause the sludge to start flowing through the oil
>system again, it can easily get stuck in the oil pickup screen and
>restrict oil flow. I certainly wouldn't do a flush job on the oil
>system without having an oil pressure sensor so I could shut down if
>things become plugged.

Speaking of oil pressure sensors... My '95 Ranger has an oil pressure
gage, but the sensor is just an oil pressure switch. If I have oil
pressure, the needle comes up, no oil pressure... bottom peg. No more
useful than an idiot light. Now why bother putting in a gage? Is it
an attempt to fool the consumer? (don't get me wrong, I love my
Ranger!)
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"The Cross-eyed Barber" wrote in message


It's a Ford feature across all models with a gauge.
>
> Speaking of oil pressure sensors... My '95 Ranger has an oil pressure
> gage, but the sensor is just an oil pressure switch. If I have oil
> pressure, the needle comes up, no oil pressure... bottom peg. No more
> useful than an idiot light. Now why bother putting in a gage? Is it
> an attempt to fool the consumer? (don't get me wrong, I love my
> Ranger!)
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:07:03 -0500, The Cross-eyed Barber
wrote:

>On 5 Feb 2007 13:14:04 -0800, "Mike H" wrote:
>
>>On Feb 3, 8:18 am, "Doug" wrote:
>>> Hi group, hope your all having a good day!
>>>
>>> I was wondering, is the Rislone or any other Engine cleaners worth the
>>> plastic there put in? I'm speaking of the kind they say to put in before an
>>> oil change, run it for a few miles, and then change your oil...
>>>
>>> Just curious about this for an older vehicle..
>>
>>If you regularly change the oil, and the engine is able to typically
>>warm up completely before you are shutting it off, there should be no
>>reason to use any additive. Yes, those products probably do
>>something. But they aren't required. As others said, Diesel fuel or
>>ATF can work just as well.
>>
>>If the care of the vehicle is unknown, and you have reasons to believe
>>there is significant sludge build up, you're best to just leave it.
>>If you were to cause the sludge to start flowing through the oil
>>system again, it can easily get stuck in the oil pickup screen and
>>restrict oil flow. I certainly wouldn't do a flush job on the oil
>>system without having an oil pressure sensor so I could shut down if
>>things become plugged.
>
>Speaking of oil pressure sensors... My '95 Ranger has an oil pressure
>gage, but the sensor is just an oil pressure switch. If I have oil
>pressure, the needle comes up, no oil pressure... bottom peg. No more
>useful than an idiot light. Now why bother putting in a gage? Is it
>an attempt to fool the consumer? (don't get me wrong, I love my
>Ranger!)
people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the problems
which occur with the tubing and a real pressure gauge. There is no solid
state device reliable enough for a truely accurate reading for pressure
reading , YET. imho
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wrote in message


> people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the
> problems
> which occur with the tubing and a real pressure gauge. There is no
> solid
> state device reliable enough for a truely accurate reading for
> pressure
> reading , YET. imho

This is clearly not true. There are many critical applications that
use electronic devices for monitoring oil pressure. I'll agree that
many of the oil pressure transducers used by the automotive industry
are not particularly accurate. This is not because the technology
doesn't exist. For instance here is a PDF for a pressure transducer
that promises +/- 0.5% accuracy -
http://www.sensotec.com/pdf/a105a.pdf .

Ed
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"C. E. White" wrote in message

>
> wrote in message
>
>
>> people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the problems
>> which occur with the tubing and a real pressure gauge. There is no solid
>> state device reliable enough for a truely accurate reading for pressure
>> reading , YET. imho
>
> This is clearly not true. There are many critical applications that use
> electronic devices for monitoring oil pressure. I'll agree that many of
> the oil pressure transducers used by the automotive industry are not
> particularly accurate. This is not because the technology doesn't exist.
> For instance here is a PDF for a pressure transducer that promises +/-
> 0.5% accuracy - http://www.sensotec.com/pdf/a105a.pdf .
>
> Ed
>

Ah that's nothing, Accuracy of +/- 0.05% span maintained over the full span
turndown range of 80:1
http://www.foxboro.com/us/eng/products/instrumentation/pressure/premiu...rformac


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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:11:41 -0500, "C. E. White" wrote:

>
> wrote in message
>
>
>> people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the
>> problems
>> which occur with the tubing and a real pressure gauge. There is no
>> solid
>> state device reliable enough for a truely accurate reading for
>> pressure
>> reading , YET. imho
>
>This is clearly not true. There are many critical applications that
>use electronic devices for monitoring oil pressure. I'll agree that
>many of the oil pressure transducers used by the automotive industry
>are not particularly accurate. This is not because the technology
>doesn't exist. For instance here is a PDF for a pressure transducer
>that promises +/- 0.5% accuracy -
>http://www.sensotec.com/pdf/a105a.pdf .
>
>Ed
did you happen to look at the cost of a 105a
yes , i should have added cost in my opinion

>
>
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