Intermittent no start on Lantra

Found the Crank angle sensor and the resistance checks out normally. About
800 ohms from memory but also can see the voltage/current output when you
run a bit of metal past it.
The Camshaft Sensor though is a Hall Effect rather than a coil of wire .
Measures open circuit between all three pins, nothing evident with a
magnet/metal run past. . Sounds very unusual so will take a punt and get a
new one. Let you know how it goes.
Cheers

"hyundaitech" wrote in message

On Feb 26, 3:45 am, "John" wrote:
> Have a 1999 Lantra, 2 liter manual that otherwise runs well except ~ one
> in
> ten times will not start. Engine cranks over but no start. Leave it for
> 1/4
> hour and it almost always starts.
> Suggests fuel ok but spark questionable on those intermittent occasions.
> Havnt looked at car, daughter owns it and havnt managed to see the thing
> when it doesnt work as luck would have it.
> Any idea where to look?. Someone has mentioned a crank angle sensor .
> Many thanks
> John W

My thought as well. If you have no spark, that increases the chances.
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Put a Cam Pos Sensor in and it seems to start well enough now. Seems to be
settling in if that doesnt sound loopy.
Was hard to start when just installed but is getting better with driving.
Only issue now is an engine miss, particularly when going around corners.
Sounds a little like petrol filter
..



"John" wrote in message

> Found the Crank angle sensor and the resistance checks out normally. About
> 800 ohms from memory but also can see the voltage/current output when you
> run a bit of metal past it.
> The Camshaft Sensor though is a Hall Effect rather than a coil of wire .
> Measures open circuit between all three pins, nothing evident with a
> magnet/metal run past. . Sounds very unusual so will take a punt and get a
> new one. Let you know how it goes.
> Cheers
>
> "hyundaitech" wrote in message
>
> On Feb 26, 3:45 am, "John" wrote:
>> Have a 1999 Lantra, 2 liter manual that otherwise runs well except ~ one
>> in
>> ten times will not start. Engine cranks over but no start. Leave it for
>> 1/4
>> hour and it almost always starts.
>> Suggests fuel ok but spark questionable on those intermittent occasions.
>> Havnt looked at car, daughter owns it and havnt managed to see the thing
>> when it doesnt work as luck would have it.
>> Any idea where to look?. Someone has mentioned a crank angle sensor .
>> Many thanks
>> John W
>
> My thought as well. If you have no spark, that increases the chances.
>
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On Mar 10, 4:40 am, "John" wrote:
> Put a Cam Pos Sensor in and it seems to start well enough now.  Seems to be
> settling in if that doesnt sound loopy.
> Was hard to start when just installed but is getting better with driving.
> Only issue now is an engine miss, particularly when going around corners.
> Sounds a little like petrol filter

Here in the U.S., our Bosch and Siemens systems will still run the car
if the cam sensor is nonfunctional. Wonder if you have a different
fuel management system. I've seen Mitsubishi systems not start if the
cam sensor fails.
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Put a new camshaft position sensor in.Wouldn,t start straight off but
eventually did and after a short drive then started reliably. . Then
developed a habit instead of ( if it was my 42 year old Type3 VW) that I,d
put down to a blocked fuel filter. Missing, particularly going uphill. Was
causing Daughter major issues so she has taken it off to a mechanic. Be
interesting to see what he comes up with.
I know all arguments about modern engine efficiency but there is
something to be said for a set of points!.

"hyundaitech" wrote in message

On Mar 10, 4:40 am, "John" wrote:
> Put a Cam Pos Sensor in and it seems to start well enough now. Seems to be
> settling in if that doesnt sound loopy.
> Was hard to start when just installed but is getting better with driving.
> Only issue now is an engine miss, particularly when going around corners.
> Sounds a little like petrol filter

Here in the U.S., our Bosch and Siemens systems will still run the car
if the cam sensor is nonfunctional. Wonder if you have a different
fuel management system. I've seen Mitsubishi systems not start if the
cam sensor fails.
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On Mar 21, 6:12 am, "John" wrote:
> Put a new camshaft position sensor in.Wouldn,t start straight off but
> eventually did and after a short drive  then started reliably. . Then
> developed a habit instead of ( if it was my 42 year old Type3 VW)  that I,d
> put down to a blocked fuel filter. Missing, particularly going uphill. Was
> causing Daughter major issues so she has taken it off to a mechanic. Be
> interesting to see what he comes up with.
>      I know all arguments about modern engine efficiency but there is
> something to be said for a set of points!.

Most circumstances of misfire under load are caused by faulty
components in the secondary ignition system. In your case, this would
be the coil, plugs, and plug wires. If your car is equipped with a
distributor, also potentially the rotor or distributor cap.
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Put in ignition coil, no difference. Tried Crankshaft position sensor,
seems ok. A bloke I was dealing with said Mazda and I think it was
Mitsubishi recommend that both cam and crank sensor be replaced together. If
battery was disconnected I cant see how computer would be able to work out
what had been replaced or not when reconnected. Unless if its a rule of
thumb if one is crook by definition the other has had same amount of work
and is also suspect. Anyway ,fingers crossed.
Thanks for help HT.
John



"hyundaitech" wrote in message

On Mar 21, 6:12 am, "John" wrote:
> Put a new camshaft position sensor in.Wouldn,t start straight off but
> eventually did and after a short drive then started reliably. . Then
> developed a habit instead of ( if it was my 42 year old Type3 VW) that I,d
> put down to a blocked fuel filter. Missing, particularly going uphill. Was
> causing Daughter major issues so she has taken it off to a mechanic. Be
> interesting to see what he comes up with.
> I know all arguments about modern engine efficiency but there is
> something to be said for a set of points!.

Most circumstances of misfire under load are caused by faulty
components in the secondary ignition system. In your case, this would
be the coil, plugs, and plug wires. If your car is equipped with a
distributor, also potentially the rotor or distributor cap.
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