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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:19 am
Post subject: Intermittent loss of power while engine is cold...
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:19 am
Post subject: Re: Intermittent loss of power while engine is cold... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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When was the last time you did the basic tune-up or at least inspected your
plugs, wires, fuel filter, air filter, PCV, and anything anybody else can
think of for a basic tune-up. I wonder if this could be temp-sensor
related? Sounds similar to what my '93 was doing before I replaced the
plugs. Are you receiving any engine codes from the check engine light? 400
RPM seems low to idle at.
~Brian
"George A." wrote in message
> My 1.8L Subaru Impreza 1995 (manual, front wheel drive) recently
> started to behave strangely:
>
> When an engine is truly cold (mornings or driving home after
> work), it starts and begins to drive normally, however, shortly
> after that it tends to lose power for a moment or two, then
> resumes OK, then these cycles repeat until an engine fully
> warms up. Then it behaves perfectly O.K.
>
> It's kind of difficult to describe. Basically, I press
> accelerator and feel that it "does not work" - very little
> (if anything) happens; then, as I continue to hold it down,
> the car "wakes up" and finally responds and accelerates.
> This usually happens at least several times, rather
> unpredictably. It's as if the engine is not getting enough
> fuel or air, or as if the mixture is not ignited in timely
> fashion.
>
> May or may not be related, I also noticed that, when the car
> is in this state, it seems to idle strangely - an engine
> shakes (I can feel the car shaking a lot more) and tachometer
> goes up and down from high 1,000 rpm to about 100 (when warm,
> it idles at approximately 400 rpm normally). |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:55 am
Post subject: Re: Intermittent loss of power while engine is cold... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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strchild wrote:
> When was the last time you did the basic tune-up or at least inspected your
> plugs, wires, fuel filter, air filter, PCV, and anything anybody else can
> think of for a basic tune-up. I wonder if this could be temp-sensor
> related? Sounds similar to what my '93 was doing before I replaced the
> plugs. Are you receiving any engine codes from the check engine light? 400
> RPM seems low to idle at.
>
> ~Brian
>
> "George A." wrote in message
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>>My 1.8L Subaru Impreza 1995 (manual, front wheel drive) recently
>>started to behave strangely:
>>
>>When an engine is truly cold (mornings or driving home after
>>work), it starts and begins to drive normally, however, shortly
>>after that it tends to lose power for a moment or two, then
>>resumes OK, then these cycles repeat until an engine fully
>>warms up. Then it behaves perfectly O.K.
>>
>>It's kind of difficult to describe. Basically, I press
>>accelerator and feel that it "does not work" - very little
>>(if anything) happens; then, as I continue to hold it down,
>>the car "wakes up" and finally responds and accelerates.
>>This usually happens at least several times, rather
>>unpredictably. It's as if the engine is not getting enough
>>fuel or air, or as if the mixture is not ignited in timely
>>fashion.
>>
>>May or may not be related, I also noticed that, when the car
>>is in this state, it seems to idle strangely - an engine
>>shakes (I can feel the car shaking a lot more) and tachometer
>>goes up and down from high 1,000 rpm to about 100 (when warm,
>>it idles at approximately 400 rpm normally).
>
>
>
Retrieving codes might help. The symtoms you report can relate to bad
MAF, bad TPS, bad IACV and even bad plug wires/coils etc.
Do the cheap stuff first or get someone to diagnose it when its in a
failure mode.
Carl
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:56 am
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"George A." wrote:
> My 1.8L Subaru Impreza 1995 (manual, front wheel drive) recently
> started to behave strangely:
>
> When an engine is truly cold (mornings or driving home after
> work), it starts and begins to drive normally, however, shortly
> after that it tends to lose power for a moment or two, then
> resumes OK, then these cycles repeat until an engine fully
> warms up. Then it behaves perfectly O.K.
>
> It's kind of difficult to describe. Basically, I press
> accelerator and feel that it "does not work" - very little
> (if anything) happens; then, as I continue to hold it down,
> the car "wakes up" and finally responds and accelerates.
> This usually happens at least several times, rather
> unpredictably. It's as if the engine is not getting enough
> fuel or air, or as if the mixture is not ignited in timely
> fashion.
>
> May or may not be related, I also noticed that, when the car
> is in this state, it seems to idle strangely - an engine
> shakes (I can feel the car shaking a lot more) and tachometer
> goes up and down from high 1,000 rpm to about 100 (when warm,
> it idles at approximately 400 rpm normally).
I'd advise in the first instance that you do the simple things like replace the
fuel and air filters plus spark plugs.
If somome can test fuel pressure too, so much the better. It might also pay to
add some injector cleaner to the tank or have the injectors professionally
cleaned ultrasonically.
Graham >> Stay informed about: Intermittent loss of power while engine is cold... |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:56 am
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:56 am
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strchild wrote:
> When was the last time you did the basic tune-up or at least inspected your
> plugs, wires, fuel filter, air filter, PCV, and anything anybody else can
> think of for a basic tune-up. I wonder if this could be temp-sensor
> related? Sounds similar to what my '93 was doing before I replaced the
> plugs. Are you receiving any engine codes from the check engine light? 400
> RPM seems low to idle at.
I certainly agree about the 400 rpm. It's only a 4 banger ffs !
Doesn't the Impreza have individual coils per plug too ? Worth checking them as
well.
Graham >> Stay informed about: Intermittent loss of power while engine is cold... |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:51 pm
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Eeyore wrote:
>strchild wrote:
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>> When was the last time you did the basic tune-up
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>How do you 'tune up' a car with an ECU ?
Replacing plugs and filters mostly. No actual tuning involved any more,
but the price schedule still calls it a tune-up anyway.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >> Stay informed about: Intermittent loss of power while engine is cold... |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:55 pm
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I think the filters would not change behaviour being hot or cold.
With the low, rough idle in mind, I would look into a cracked blow by
hose, vacuum leak, or defective connection in one of the sensors, in
particular MAF, temperature or TPS.
Plugs, wires and filters should be kept in good condition anyway, so it
would not harm if you changed them if you have not done so recently.
Good luck!
George A. wrote:
> My 1.8L Subaru Impreza 1995 (manual, front wheel drive) recently
> started to behave strangely:
>
> When an engine is truly cold (mornings or driving home after
> work), it starts and begins to drive normally, however, shortly
> after that it tends to lose power for a moment or two, then
> resumes OK, then these cycles repeat until an engine fully
> warms up. Then it behaves perfectly O.K.
>
> It's kind of difficult to describe. Basically, I press
> accelerator and feel that it "does not work" - very little
> (if anything) happens; then, as I continue to hold it down,
> the car "wakes up" and finally responds and accelerates.
> This usually happens at least several times, rather
> unpredictably. It's as if the engine is not getting enough
> fuel or air, or as if the mixture is not ignited in timely
> fashion.
>
> May or may not be related, I also noticed that, when the car
> is in this state, it seems to idle strangely - an engine
> shakes (I can feel the car shaking a lot more) and tachometer
> goes up and down from high 1,000 rpm to about 100 (when warm,
> it idles at approximately 400 rpm normally).
>
> The car is up for some expensive maintenance and break job
> pretty soon, so before I do any of it, I'd like to know
> what might be the problem with the engine and how expensive
> it might be. (I can, after all, buy another car, if it
> does not make financial sense to fix this one).
>
> Any ideas? Many thanks in advance.
>
> George
> >> Stay informed about: Intermittent loss of power while engine is cold... |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:55 pm
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Forgot to mention sticky EGR valve.
George A. wrote:
> My 1.8L Subaru Impreza 1995 (manual, front wheel drive) recently
> started to behave strangely:
>
> When an engine is truly cold (mornings or driving home after
> work), it starts and begins to drive normally, however, shortly
> after that it tends to lose power for a moment or two, then
> resumes OK, then these cycles repeat until an engine fully
> warms up. Then it behaves perfectly O.K.
>
> It's kind of difficult to describe. Basically, I press
> accelerator and feel that it "does not work" - very little
> (if anything) happens; then, as I continue to hold it down,
> the car "wakes up" and finally responds and accelerates.
> This usually happens at least several times, rather
> unpredictably. It's as if the engine is not getting enough
> fuel or air, or as if the mixture is not ignited in timely
> fashion.
>
> May or may not be related, I also noticed that, when the car
> is in this state, it seems to idle strangely - an engine
> shakes (I can feel the car shaking a lot more) and tachometer
> goes up and down from high 1,000 rpm to about 100 (when warm,
> it idles at approximately 400 rpm normally).
>
> The car is up for some expensive maintenance and break job
> pretty soon, so before I do any of it, I'd like to know
> what might be the problem with the engine and how expensive
> it might be. (I can, after all, buy another car, if it
> does not make financial sense to fix this one).
>
> Any ideas? Many thanks in advance.
>
> George
> >> Stay informed about: Intermittent loss of power while engine is cold... |
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