Intermittant Electrical Problems

It's pretty bad that things like this isn't covered under warranty!!
So much for Lexus service.



On Jan 19, 10:04 am, mcbrue <mcb....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
> Whee! Intermittant electrical problems - the great joy of the
> electricized and datacized car. This is especialy true for the Lexus
> brand owners as Lexus does not cover some of these problems with its
> new car warranty. One problem is that sometimes - and no, I can't nail
> "when" down - the right front bumper sensor goes off. Real irritating.
> And then after a couple of days it stops and runs properly. This is
> the famous detector that was doing this and Lexus said that it would
> not be covered by warranty. However, after taking it out of the shop,
> it ran properly. So it has reappeared a few times, for a couple of
> days each time. And now I have the automatic wiper taking a swipe or
> two at the windshield and then stopping. This wiper problem has
> surfaced after driving the car over roads that have been coated with
> salt brine, but none is visible on the windshield. Of course the
> wipers don't clean the cheapo glass right anyway, but the sensor area
> seems to be clear. Gosh, this sure is a lovely experience owing this
> car! The banging jerking tranny and the grinding, jerking brakes do
> provide some distraction from the electrical misbehaviour, though. The
> car is a 2006 430 LS ultra. Any ideas on the electrical problems? This
> car did have to have its $7000 radar unit replaced so the cruise
> control would work.
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"mcbrue" <mcbrue DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> Whee! Intermittant electrical problems - the great joy of the
> electricized and datacized car. This is especialy true for the Lexus
> brand owners as Lexus does not cover some of these problems with its
> new car warranty. One problem is that sometimes - and no, I can't nail
> "when" down - the right front bumper sensor goes off. Real irritating.
> And then after a couple of days it stops and runs properly. This is
> the famous detector that was doing this and Lexus said that it would
> not be covered by warranty. However, after taking it out of the shop,
> it ran properly. So it has reappeared a few times, for a couple of
> days each time. And now I have the automatic wiper taking a swipe or
> two at the windshield and then stopping. This wiper problem has
> surfaced after driving the car over roads that have been coated with
> salt brine, but none is visible on the windshield. Of course the
> wipers don't clean the cheapo glass right anyway, but the sensor area
> seems to be clear. Gosh, this sure is a lovely experience owing this
> car! The banging jerking tranny and the grinding, jerking brakes do
> provide some distraction from the electrical misbehaviour, though. The
> car is a 2006 430 LS ultra. Any ideas on the electrical problems? This
> car did have to have its $7000 radar unit replaced so the cruise
> control would work.

Getting the car washed will stop both problems.
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"Anonymous" <com.DeleteThis@com.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Are you the original owner? I don't know about Lexus,
> but typically, intermittent electrical problems can be a
> sign of a vehicle with a drowned history.
>
Intermittent electrical problems caused by being "drowned" are not a
manufacturing defect and so are not covered by the manufacturer's warranty.

> Additionally, I thought "everything" was covered on a
> Lexus with a manufacturer's warranty.
>

Only defects in materials or workmanship are covered by the Lexus warranty.
Dirt on the sensors is not a manufacturing defect, and keeping the car clean
is the owner's responsibility.
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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> "Anonymous" <com.TakeThisOut@com.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> Are you the original owner? I don't know about Lexus,
>> but typically, intermittent electrical problems can be a
>> sign of a vehicle with a drowned history.
>>
> Intermittent electrical problems caused by being "drowned" are not a
> manufacturing defect and so are not covered by the manufacturer's
> warranty.
>




Yes, I certainly understand that. Perhaps I missed an
earlier discussion, are you saying the dealer deemed
the car water damaged/drowned history?




>> Additionally, I thought "everything" was covered on a
>> Lexus with a manufacturer's warranty.
>>
>
> Only defects in materials or workmanship are covered by the Lexus
> warranty. Dirt on the sensors is not a manufacturing defect, and keeping
> the car clean is the owner's responsibility.
> --
>




Yes, I understand that also. But the OP seemed to be
complaining about issues that I assumed were not just
caused by dirt(aka confirmed/denied dirt cause). Per-
haps I misunderstood.




> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
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"Anonymous" <com RemoveThis @com.com> wrote in message
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> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>> "Anonymous" <com RemoveThis @com.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>> Are you the original owner? I don't know about Lexus,
>>> but typically, intermittent electrical problems can be a
>>> sign of a vehicle with a drowned history.
>>>
>> Intermittent electrical problems caused by being "drowned" are not a
>> manufacturing defect and so are not covered by the manufacturer's
>> warranty.
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, I certainly understand that. Perhaps I missed an
> earlier discussion, are you saying the dealer deemed
> the car water damaged/drowned history?
>

No, The OP has never mentioned that the vehicle was drowned or submerged in
water, but even if it were, it would not be covered by the automaker's
warranty.
>
>
>>> Additionally, I thought "everything" was covered on a
>>> Lexus with a manufacturer's warranty.
>>>
>>
>> Only defects in materials or workmanship are covered by the Lexus
>> warranty. Dirt on the sensors is not a manufacturing defect, and keeping
>> the car clean is the owner's responsibility.
>> --
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, I understand that also. But the OP seemed to be
> complaining about issues that I assumed were not just
> caused by dirt(aka confirmed/denied dirt cause). Per-
> haps I misunderstood.
>
>

The symptoms that the OP is complaining are most likely caused by dirt.

Occasional, "phantom" wipes of the windshield wipers is caused by dirt over
the windshield sensor that the sensor interprets as water. The windshield
may appear to be clean, but dirt over the sensor, which is not visible from
inside the car, would be wiped away if you get out of the car and take a
look. I remedy this problem in my car by leaving the windshield wipers in
the off position most of the time and in the auto position on those days
with intermittent or continuous rain and snow.

If the parking sensors are heavily obstructed with snow, ice, salt, dirt,
etc., the parking system cannot tell the difference between that stuff and
another object that is close by, so it beeps. If the obstruction keeps up
with the car,, i.e., the "object" keeps up with the car as it is going down
the road, the system knows that the sensor is obstructed and gives a
message. Cleaning the sensors solves the problem.

The OP's Lexus dealer probably washes his car after they have it in the
shop, so the problems are gone until the car gets dirty again.
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Ray O
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"Anonymous" <com.DeleteThis@com.com> wrote in message
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> Perhaps I missed an earlier discussion...

Yes. Years of discussions.

Do a search on "mcbrue" in this newsgroup and you'll find years of his
whiney, stupid trolling.
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Ray O wrote:
> If the parking sensors are heavily obstructed with snow, ice, salt, dirt,
> etc., the parking system cannot tell the difference between that stuff and
> another object that is close by, so it beeps. If the obstruction keeps up
> with the car,, i.e., the "object" keeps up with the car as it is going down
> the road, the system knows that the sensor is obstructed and gives a
> message. Cleaning the sensors solves the problem.

I *think* mcfool lives in north Georgia, where it snowed yesterday.

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> "Anonymous" <com.DeleteThis@com.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>>> "Anonymous" <com.DeleteThis@com.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you the original owner? I don't know about Lexus,
>>>> but typically, intermittent electrical problems can be a
>>>> sign of a vehicle with a drowned history.
>>>>
>>> Intermittent electrical problems caused by being "drowned" are not a
>>> manufacturing defect and so are not covered by the manufacturer's
>>> warranty.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I certainly understand that. Perhaps I missed an
>> earlier discussion, are you saying the dealer deemed
>> the car water damaged/drowned history?
>>
>
> No, The OP has never mentioned that the vehicle was drowned or submerged
> in water, but even if it were, it would not be covered by the automaker's
> warranty.
>>
>>
>>>> Additionally, I thought "everything" was covered on a
>>>> Lexus with a manufacturer's warranty.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Only defects in materials or workmanship are covered by the Lexus
>>> warranty. Dirt on the sensors is not a manufacturing defect, and keeping
>>> the car clean is the owner's responsibility.
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I understand that also. But the OP seemed to be
>> complaining about issues that I assumed were not just
>> caused by dirt(aka confirmed/denied dirt cause). Per-
>> haps I misunderstood.
>>
>>
>
> The symptoms that the OP is complaining are most likely caused by dirt.
>
> Occasional, "phantom" wipes of the windshield wipers is caused by dirt
> over the windshield sensor that the sensor interprets as water. The
> windshield may appear to be clean, but dirt over the sensor, which is not
> visible from inside the car, would be wiped away if you get out of the car
> and take a look. I remedy this problem in my car by leaving the
> windshield wipers in the off position most of the time and in the auto
> position on those days with intermittent or continuous rain and snow.
>
> If the parking sensors are heavily obstructed with snow, ice, salt, dirt,
> etc., the parking system cannot tell the difference between that stuff and
> another object that is close by, so it beeps. If the obstruction keeps up
> with the car,, i.e., the "object" keeps up with the car as it is going
> down the road, the system knows that the sensor is obstructed and gives a
> message. Cleaning the sensors solves the problem.
>
> The OP's Lexus dealer probably washes his car after they have it in the
> shop, so the problems are gone until the car gets dirty again.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>



Thanks - David Z. and Ray O....
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"Anonymous" <com DeleteThis @com.com> wrote in message
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> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>> "Anonymous" <com DeleteThis @com.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Anonymous" <com DeleteThis @com.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you the original owner? I don't know about Lexus,
>>>>> but typically, intermittent electrical problems can be a
>>>>> sign of a vehicle with a drowned history.
>>>>>
>>>> Intermittent electrical problems caused by being "drowned" are not a
>>>> manufacturing defect and so are not covered by the manufacturer's
>>>> warranty.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I certainly understand that. Perhaps I missed an
>>> earlier discussion, are you saying the dealer deemed
>>> the car water damaged/drowned history?
>>>
>>
>> No, The OP has never mentioned that the vehicle was drowned or submerged
>> in water, but even if it were, it would not be covered by the automaker's
>> warranty.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Additionally, I thought "everything" was covered on a
>>>>> Lexus with a manufacturer's warranty.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only defects in materials or workmanship are covered by the Lexus
>>>> warranty. Dirt on the sensors is not a manufacturing defect, and
>>>> keeping the car clean is the owner's responsibility.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I understand that also. But the OP seemed to be
>>> complaining about issues that I assumed were not just
>>> caused by dirt(aka confirmed/denied dirt cause). Per-
>>> haps I misunderstood.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The symptoms that the OP is complaining are most likely caused by dirt.
>>
>> Occasional, "phantom" wipes of the windshield wipers is caused by dirt
>> over the windshield sensor that the sensor interprets as water. The
>> windshield may appear to be clean, but dirt over the sensor, which is not
>> visible from inside the car, would be wiped away if you get out of the
>> car and take a look. I remedy this problem in my car by leaving the
>> windshield wipers in the off position most of the time and in the auto
>> position on those days with intermittent or continuous rain and snow.
>>
>> If the parking sensors are heavily obstructed with snow, ice, salt, dirt,
>> etc., the parking system cannot tell the difference between that stuff
>> and another object that is close by, so it beeps. If the obstruction
>> keeps up with the car,, i.e., the "object" keeps up with the car as it is
>> going down the road, the system knows that the sensor is obstructed and
>> gives a message. Cleaning the sensors solves the problem.
>>
>> The OP's Lexus dealer probably washes his car after they have it in the
>> shop, so the problems are gone until the car gets dirty again.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>
>
>
> Thanks - David Z. and Ray O....
>

You're welcome!
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Ray O
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:47:02 -0600, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:

>
>"mcbrue" <mcbrue RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>> Whee! Intermittant electrical problems - the great joy of the
>> electricized and datacized car. This is especialy true for the Lexus
>> brand owners as Lexus does not cover some of these problems with its
>> new car warranty. One problem is that sometimes - and no, I can't nail
>> "when" down - the right front bumper sensor goes off. Real irritating.
>> And then after a couple of days it stops and runs properly. This is
>> the famous detector that was doing this and Lexus said that it would
>> not be covered by warranty. However, after taking it out of the shop,
>> it ran properly. So it has reappeared a few times, for a couple of
>> days each time. And now I have the automatic wiper taking a swipe or
>> two at the windshield and then stopping. This wiper problem has
>> surfaced after driving the car over roads that have been coated with
>> salt brine, but none is visible on the windshield. Of course the
>> wipers don't clean the cheapo glass right anyway, but the sensor area
>> seems to be clear. Gosh, this sure is a lovely experience owing this
>> car! The banging jerking tranny and the grinding, jerking brakes do
>> provide some distraction from the electrical misbehaviour, though. The
>> car is a 2006 430 LS ultra. Any ideas on the electrical problems? This
>> car did have to have its $7000 radar unit replaced so the cruise
>> control would work.
>
>Getting the car washed will stop both problems.

Occam's Razor!
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Yeah, I thought the bumper-to-bumper warranty should have covered it.
But the dealer rejected it? Maybe Toyota should teach that dealer
about "Lexus Care".



On Jan 20, 7:24 am, "Anonymous" <c... RemoveThis @com.com> wrote:
> Are you the original owner? I don't know about Lexus,
> but typically, intermittent electrical problems can be a
> sign of a vehicle with a drowned history.
>
> Additionally, I thought "everything" was covered on a
> Lexus with a manufacturer's warranty.
 >> Stay informed about: Intermittant Electrical Problems 

I bought the car as a new car, but it had been driven 500 miles by
some one else. Interesting. One of my lawyer friends did suggest a
hungry young fellow who might want to pursue a class action suit, but
I signed the papers purchasing the car with the 500 miles on it so it
is my problem. Dealership owner declined to speak with me but he is a
good god fearing christian and has a minister on staff to care for the
spiritual needs of his sales staff according to articles in the paper.
He has three or four other brand stores also. I purchased two ES 3nn s
prior to this 06 LS430 Ultra. Problems with the ES were limited to one
tranny which blew on the 1993, a known problem, and the bad brakes on
the 2000. I always moved up in cars over my life, so I found the ES s
to be great. But I bought a couple of Mercedes in between the ESs now
owned by wife and this LS. The Mercedes are great cars, properly
engineered as luxury cars, and designed for go. Unfortunately they
break down. The Lexus is a sham luxury car, engineered for show, not
go. They do not normaly break down. Lexus itself does not honor the
warranty on the car's beeper thingies on the bumper - not a dealer
problem. So I have not been posting and whining about the Lexus for
several years, only since late 06. And my gripes have to do with the
idiotic lack of proper engineering in the car - no tint in the windows
except too narrow a band in the windshield, for example. I could go on
for many pages listing this sort of problem. Now on to the important
details:

The sensors were all clean, so it is not something that simple, drat!
The problems have cleared up now, so I can't just take it into the
dealer and have them give it the wall job as it has fixed itself. It
does not correlate with rain or snow storms either - drat again! I
think the wiper could have been caused by salt on the windshield, but
it was not visible to the nekid (thas naked to you yankees!) eye.
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