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tbmcars

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:36 am
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HHO gas car kits seem to be all the rage on the internet for the best
increase in gas mileage…
http://tbmcars.googlepages.com/best_way_to_increase_gas_mileage

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Mike Y

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:08 am
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<tbmcars.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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HHO gas car kits seem to be all the rage on the internet for the best
increase in gas mileage…
http://tbmcars.googlepages.com/best_way_to_increase_gas_mileage

I REALLY wish these brain dead idiots would stop posting their scams.

Thing is, it's only going to get worse as gas prices rise.

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hairy1

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:21 pm
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"Mike Y" <joe.DeleteThis@user.com> wrote in message news:pEXVj.4$o%7.0@newsfe06.lga...
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> <tbmcars.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4ee33d9c-486d-4eaa-8a1a-0ab8dfc5c1ff@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> HHO gas car kits seem to be all the rage on the internet for the best
> increase in gas mileage.
> http://tbmcars.googlepages.com/best_way_to_increase_gas_mileage
>
> I REALLY wish these brain dead idiots would stop posting their scams.
>
> Thing is, it's only going to get worse as gas prices rise.
>
>

On the plus side, I have most of the spam filtered out.

On the negative side, when people like you reply to spam, I get to see it,
anyway.

Dave
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nospam198

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:16 pm
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<tbmcars RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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HHO gas car kits seem to be all the rage on the internet for the best
increase in gas mileage…
http://tbmcars.googlepages.com/best_way_to_increase_gas_mileage

Douche bag technology..
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William R. Walsh

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:50 am
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Hi!

> On all uphill grades, turn the car off, put it in neutral, get out and
push.

I would also suggest the "downhill method", though you should get into the
car quickly for it will soon be moving fast.

This speeds up your reaction time after the first few tries... Wink

William
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PerfectReign

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:06 am
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William R. Walsh turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

> Hi!
>
>> On all uphill grades, turn the car off, put it in neutral, get out and
> push.
>
> I would also suggest the "downhill method", though you should get into the
> car quickly for it will soon be moving fast.
>
> This speeds up your reaction time after the first few tries... Wink
>
> William

ROTFL!

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Mike Y

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:50 pm
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"Hairy" <hairy.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On the plus side, I have most of the spam filtered out.
>
> On the negative side, when people like you reply to spam, I get to see it,
> anyway.
>
> Dave
>

Well, I'm glad to help keep you informed!

Mike
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Uncle Ben

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:19 pm
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On May 12, 7:36 am, tbmc... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> HHO gas car kits seem to be all the rage on the internet for the best
> increase in gas mileage…http://tbmcars.googlepages.com/best_way_to_increase_gas_mileage

I wish the HHO enthusiasts would explain to me why this is not just
another perpetual motion idea.

Water doesn't burn. You have to put energy from the battery into it
to separate the H from the O. When you burn the H you get back less
energy than you put in, because all you are doing is to put the H and
the O back together again, and there are losses. And then you have to
recharge the battery! If you use the motor power of the car to drive
the alternator to recharge the battery, you have perpetual motion.

So you would be better off to use that battery power to run an
electric motor to push the car. And buy some gasoline for the extra
energy you need to charge the battery.

Or just run the engine on gasoline.

Ben
Retired physics professor
1999 Subaru converted to E85
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Mike Y

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:40 pm
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"Gosi" <gosinn DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 18, 1:24 pm, "Mike Y" <j... DeleteThis @user.com> wrote:

>HHO is just water H2O

No. Water is H2O. Browns gas is actually 2H202, or two MOLECULES
of hydrogen gas (2 atoms each) mixed with 1 MOLECULE of oxygen,
which again is 2 atoms. Total of 6 atoms. When ignited, it produces 2
MOLECULES of water (which is 3 atoms each). Browns gas doesn't
'burn' in the sense that it consumes oxygen. It is hydrogen gas that has
the
prefect mixture of oxygen gasa already mixed to produce water.

>There is nothing new about what happens if you get water into the
> engine. In very small quantities it does not need to be dangerous.
> Water that turns instantly into vapor expands enormously.
> If there comes too much at the same time it can easily brake your
> engine.

This is NOT the case of liquid water in an engine. It already is steam
from it's own ignition. (And there is no danger of hydrolocking here.)
The scammers are basing this totally on the ignition, and the subsequent
release of energy, of the Browns gas.

You're 'experiment' is, shall we say, quite dangerous. If someone were
to fill a can 'just enough' with water to burst as it turns to steam, it
could
send pieces of metal literally hundreds of feet. If you want to burst
something with water, use the property that water doesn't compress.
Fill your container FULL, so that when it burst, there's nothing to
expand except a very small amount of steam and then it just leaks
out, not explosively decompress.

If you want to talk about the release of energy from vaporization, there's
some interesting articles about '6-cycle' engines. Basically, engines that
rotate THREE times for each ignition cycle. What they do is instead of
exhausting the hot burned gas on cycle 4, they recompress it. Then at
peak an injector similar to a diesel injector puts in a small amount of
water.
That water hitting the already hot then recompressed burned gas instantly
turns to steam and drives the piston back down for cycle 5. Cycle 5 is
a second power stroke but it's not from the gas ignition, it's from the
water expansion to steam.

This extracts a lot of the energy from the heat that would both be blowing
out the tailpipe or at least radiating from the headers as well as from the
cylinder area itself. More energy extracted and the engine runs a LOT
cooler.

I don't know that they have the bugs worked out yet (and I'm sure there
are a LOT of them) but it shows promise. Maybe not for high performance
engines, but possibly for low powered 'commuter' engines or fix load
applications.
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