IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup

Just a question: Is there room for an oil filter adaptor that would
reposition the oil filter with the threaded end UP ... so it could
not drain dry overnight? Seems that would solve your connecting rod
rattle on cold start up.
--

- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM


In news:1078765376.24618@sj-nntpcache-3,
Martin Donnelly <madonnel.TakeThisOut@cisco.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
 > Mike
 >
 > I keep my cars for a long time. My concern is that the engine
 > will fail for this problem after the warranty is over and I will
 > be stuck with a large bill. I had this happen on a previous car,
 > so I am going after Lexus to fix this one. I take it in again to
 > Lexus tomorrow. I want the car fixed, but will start the
 > California Lemon Law proceeding on them if they don't. I have
 > statisfied all of the criteria to take them to arbitration or
 > court. I do want the car fixed, that is the only reason I am
 > still pursuing it. (The car was a birthday gift for Petra). I
 > have an old 94 LS400 which is one of the best cars that I have
 > ever owned. I have not been as thrilled about the service that I
 > have received on it over the last year either. Lexus has lost
 > sales on 8 vehicles that I know of so far because of this issue
 > and my trying to get the damn thing fixed. Several of the people
 > where I live have stopped purchasing Lexus cars, not just because
 > of me, because they feel that Lexus service has deteriorated over
 > the last 2 - 3 years. Lexus gets plenty of rave reviews from new
 > customers, but they are lossing their original customers -- not a
 > good sign. I have be extremely unimpressed when calling their
 > number in the US to get this resolved.
 >
 > Martin
 >
 > embee wrote:
  > > Hi there
  > >
  > > I also have a 1 year old IS300 SPORTCROSS and this too knocks
  > > around the top end until the oil circulates. I was also told by
  > > the dealer that this is normal although it gives me some concern
  > > as well. I assume that if any thing serious develops it will
  > > be covered under the warranty. As long as you have registered
  > > your feelings about this situation. At least your not the only
  > > one
  > >
  > > regards
  > >
  > > Mike Berman
  > >
  > > Leicester K.K.
  > >
  > > Martin Donnelly wrote:
  > >
   > > > Greetings
   > > >
   > > > I have a 4 month old IS300 that makes excessive engine valve
   > > > noise for 2-3 seconds at startup. Has anyone else experienced
   > > > this? I am trying to get Lexus to fix the car and they refuse
   > > > -- claim that this is normal. I have asked, if this is
   > > > normal, for a copy of the noise specification for startup
   > > > valve noise. I am compiling statistics on this issue. I
   > > > would love to hear from you whether your IS does or does not
   > > > make valve noise. I live in CA and am collecting stats to go
   > > > "Lemon Law" on the car.
   > > >
   > > > Thanks.
   > > > Martin<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

Just a note on this thread. I never had this problem until I
switched to a higher viscosity oil. I have lots of miles so
I use 10-40. Maybe this is stupid, but it seems sensible to
me, and it's hard to argue with success. I've still never
had this noise with 10-40.

Anyway, I tried 20-50 one time and started getting this same
noise, only at startup, and only sometimes. I found that by
putting the car in neutral, and waiting maybe 5 seconds, and
then putting the car back in gear (usually reverse) the noise
would go away. I found the noise to be more pronounced when
I put the car was in gear immediately after starting.

Let me clarify: The noise goes away immediately I put the car
in neutral. I just wait a few seconds before putting it back
in gear.

I don't race the engine when I put it in neutral, I just let
it idle. It seems the few extra RPMs make the problem go
away almost immediately.

CB

(1992 ES300, just over 346K...MILES -- best car I ever had)
 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

Hello Philip

The current filter is about 35 degrees from horizontal (This is a rough
measurement that I made). I don't know if an adapter could be installed
so that the filter would be vertical -- there isn't very much room. I
am going to bring this up to Lexus tomorrow. I like the car, but I am
just good and fed up with the way that I have been jerked around. I got
another survey for new owners on Monday -- this one from Gallup. This
is the 3rd survey that I have received as a new owner. I guess I will
wait until Wednesday to see how it will be filled out.

Martin

Philip® wrote:

 > Just a question: Is there room for an oil filter adaptor that would
 > reposition the oil filter with the threaded end UP ... so it could
 > not drain dry overnight? Seems that would solve your connecting rod
 > rattle on cold start up.
 > --
 >
 > - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
 >
 >
 > In news:1078765376.24618@sj-nntpcache-3,
 > Martin Donnelly <madonnel.DeleteThis@cisco.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
 >
  >>Mike
  >>
  >>I keep my cars for a long time. My concern is that the engine
  >> will fail for this problem after the warranty is over and I will
  >>be stuck with a large bill. I had this happen on a previous car,
  >>so I am going after Lexus to fix this one. I take it in again to
  >>Lexus tomorrow. I want the car fixed, but will start the
  >>California Lemon Law proceeding on them if they don't. I have
  >>statisfied all of the criteria to take them to arbitration or
  >>court. I do want the car fixed, that is the only reason I am
  >> still pursuing it. (The car was a birthday gift for Petra). I
  >>have an old 94 LS400 which is one of the best cars that I have
  >>ever owned. I have not been as thrilled about the service that I
  >>have received on it over the last year either. Lexus has lost
  >>sales on 8 vehicles that I know of so far because of this issue
  >>and my trying to get the damn thing fixed. Several of the people
  >>where I live have stopped purchasing Lexus cars, not just because
  >>of me, because they feel that Lexus service has deteriorated over
  >>the last 2 - 3 years. Lexus gets plenty of rave reviews from new
  >>customers, but they are lossing their original customers -- not a
  >>good sign. I have be extremely unimpressed when calling their
  >>number in the US to get this resolved.
  >>
  >>Martin
  >>
  >>embee wrote:
  >>
   >>>Hi there
   >>>
   >>>I also have a 1 year old IS300 SPORTCROSS and this too knocks
   >>>around the top end until the oil circulates. I was also told by
   >>>the dealer that this is normal although it gives me some concern
   >>>as well. I assume that if any thing serious develops it will
   >>>be covered under the warranty. As long as you have registered
   >>>your feelings about this situation. At least your not the only
   >>>one
   >>>
   >>>regards
   >>>
   >>>Mike Berman
   >>>
   >>>Leicester K.K.
   >>>
   >>>Martin Donnelly wrote:
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>Greetings
   >>>>
   >>>>I have a 4 month old IS300 that makes excessive engine valve
   >>>>noise for 2-3 seconds at startup. Has anyone else experienced
   >>>>this? I am trying to get Lexus to fix the car and they refuse
   >>>>-- claim that this is normal. I have asked, if this is
   >>>>normal, for a copy of the noise specification for startup
   >>>>valve noise. I am compiling statistics on this issue. I
   >>>>would love to hear from you whether your IS does or does not
   >>>>make valve noise. I live in CA and am collecting stats to go
   >>>>"Lemon Law" on the car.
   >>>>
   >>>>Thanks.
   >>>>Martin
 >
 >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

Good luck, Martin. Toyota has changed other engines with adaptors or
by changing the block so that the filter is positioned with the
threaded end up. When you have engines that fire up cold and
immediately race upwards of 2000 rpm the second the engine catches,
you DON"T want precious seconds to pass by while the oil filter is
filling.
--

- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM


In news:1078870756.811250@sj-nntpcache-5,
Martin Donnelly <madonnel RemoveThis @cisco.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
 > Hello Philip
 >
 > The current filter is about 35 degrees from horizontal (This is a
 > rough measurement that I made). I don't know if an adapter could
 > be installed so that the filter would be vertical -- there isn't
 > very much room. I am going to bring this up to Lexus tomorrow. I
 > like the car, but I am just good and fed up with the way that I
 > have been jerked around. I got another survey for new owners on
 > Monday -- this one from Gallup. This is the 3rd survey that I
 > have received as a new owner. I guess I will wait until Wednesday
 > to see how it will be filled out.
 >
 > Martin
 >
 > Philip® wrote:
 >
  > > Just a question: Is there room for an oil filter adaptor that
  > > would reposition the oil filter with the threaded end UP ... so
  > > it could not drain dry overnight? Seems that would solve your
  > > connecting rod rattle on cold start up.
  > > --
  > >
  > > - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
  > >
  > >
  > > In news:1078765376.24618@sj-nntpcache-3,
  > > Martin Donnelly <madonnel RemoveThis @cisco.com> being of bellicose mind
  > > posted:
  > >
   > > > Mike
   > > >
   > > > I keep my cars for a long time. My concern is that the engine
   > > > will fail for this problem after the warranty is over and I
   > > > will be stuck with a large bill. I had this happen on a
   > > > previous car, so I am going after Lexus to fix this one. I
   > > > take it in again to Lexus tomorrow. I want the car fixed, but
   > > > will start the California Lemon Law proceeding on them if they
   > > > don't. I have statisfied all of the criteria to take them to
   > > > arbitration or court. I do want the car fixed, that is the
   > > > only reason I am still pursuing it. (The car was a birthday
   > > > gift for Petra). I have an old 94 LS400 which is one of the
   > > > best cars that I have ever owned. I have not been as thrilled
   > > > about the service that I have received on it over the last
   > > > year either. Lexus has lost sales on 8 vehicles that I know
   > > > of so far because of this issue and my trying to get the damn
   > > > thing fixed. Several of the people where I live have stopped
   > > > purchasing Lexus cars, not just because of me, because they
   > > > feel that Lexus service has deteriorated over the last 2 - 3
   > > > years. Lexus gets plenty of rave reviews from new customers,
   > > > but they are lossing their original customers -- not a good
   > > > sign. I have be extremely unimpressed when calling their
   > > > number in the US to get this resolved.
   > > >
   > > > Martin
   > > >
   > > > embee wrote:
   > > >
   > > > > Hi there
   > > > >
   > > > > I also have a 1 year old IS300 SPORTCROSS and this too knocks
   > > > > around the top end until the oil circulates. I was also told
   > > > > by the dealer that this is normal although it gives me some
   > > > > concern as well. I assume that if any thing serious
   > > > > develops it will be covered under the warranty. As long as
   > > > > you have registered your feelings about this situation. At
   > > > > least your not the only one
   > > > >
   > > > > regards
   > > > >
   > > > > Mike Berman
   > > > >
   > > > > Leicester K.K.
   > > > >
   > > > > Martin Donnelly wrote:
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > > > Greetings
   > > > > >
   > > > > > I have a 4 month old IS300 that makes excessive engine
   > > > > > valve noise for 2-3 seconds at startup. Has anyone else
   > > > > > experienced this? I am trying to get Lexus to fix the car
   > > > > > and they refuse -- claim that this is normal. I have
   > > > > > asked, if this is normal, for a copy of the noise
   > > > > > specification for startup valve noise. I am compiling
   > > > > > statistics on this issue. I would love to hear from you
   > > > > > whether your IS does or does not make valve noise. I live
   > > > > > in CA and am collecting stats to go "Lemon Law" on the car.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Thanks.
   > > > > > Martin<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

Hello Philip

There is some room, but the filter is above the left motor mount. I
have asked Toyota for this numerous times, and the question that if I
change this, will it invalidate the warranty. I cannot get an answer
from them.

We are currently doing oil analysis. The car has a little over 3 times
the level of Silica in the oil that it should have.
Martin

Philip® wrote:

 > Just a question: Is there room for an oil filter adaptor that would
 > reposition the oil filter with the threaded end UP ... so it could
 > not drain dry overnight? Seems that would solve your connecting rod
 > rattle on cold start up.
 > --
 >
 > - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
 >
 >
 > In news:1078765376.24618@sj-nntpcache-3,
 > Martin Donnelly <madonnel DeleteThis @cisco.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
 >
  >>Mike
  >>
  >>I keep my cars for a long time. My concern is that the engine
  >> will fail for this problem after the warranty is over and I will
  >>be stuck with a large bill. I had this happen on a previous car,
  >>so I am going after Lexus to fix this one. I take it in again to
  >>Lexus tomorrow. I want the car fixed, but will start the
  >>California Lemon Law proceeding on them if they don't. I have
  >>statisfied all of the criteria to take them to arbitration or
  >>court. I do want the car fixed, that is the only reason I am
  >> still pursuing it. (The car was a birthday gift for Petra). I
  >>have an old 94 LS400 which is one of the best cars that I have
  >>ever owned. I have not been as thrilled about the service that I
  >>have received on it over the last year either. Lexus has lost
  >>sales on 8 vehicles that I know of so far because of this issue
  >>and my trying to get the damn thing fixed. Several of the people
  >>where I live have stopped purchasing Lexus cars, not just because
  >>of me, because they feel that Lexus service has deteriorated over
  >>the last 2 - 3 years. Lexus gets plenty of rave reviews from new
  >>customers, but they are lossing their original customers -- not a
  >>good sign. I have be extremely unimpressed when calling their
  >>number in the US to get this resolved.
  >>
  >>Martin
  >>
  >>embee wrote:
  >>
   >>>Hi there
   >>>
   >>>I also have a 1 year old IS300 SPORTCROSS and this too knocks
   >>>around the top end until the oil circulates. I was also told by
   >>>the dealer that this is normal although it gives me some concern
   >>>as well. I assume that if any thing serious develops it will
   >>>be covered under the warranty. As long as you have registered
   >>>your feelings about this situation. At least your not the only
   >>>one
   >>>
   >>>regards
   >>>
   >>>Mike Berman
   >>>
   >>>Leicester K.K.
   >>>
   >>>Martin Donnelly wrote:
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>Greetings
   >>>>
   >>>>I have a 4 month old IS300 that makes excessive engine valve
   >>>>noise for 2-3 seconds at startup. Has anyone else experienced
   >>>>this? I am trying to get Lexus to fix the car and they refuse
   >>>>-- claim that this is normal. I have asked, if this is
   >>>>normal, for a copy of the noise specification for startup
   >>>>valve noise. I am compiling statistics on this issue. I
   >>>>would love to hear from you whether your IS does or does not
   >>>>make valve noise. I live in CA and am collecting stats to go
   >>>>"Lemon Law" on the car.
   >>>>
   >>>>Thanks.
   >>>>Martin
 >
 >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

Hello Philip

I got a reply from one of the television shows about cars. Their reply
was to get the oil filter relocation system for the turbo charged Supra.
The oil filter mounts to the (I believe from their description) body
and is connected by 2 braided steel oil lines. I haven't researched
cost yet. I just had another less than pleasant experience with Lexus
again this morning.

Martin

Martin Donnelly wrote:
 > Hello Philip
 >
 > There is some room, but the filter is above the left motor mount. I
 > have asked Toyota for this numerous times, and the question that if I
 > change this, will it invalidate the warranty. I cannot get an answer
 > from them.
 >
 > We are currently doing oil analysis. The car has a little over 3 times
 > the level of Silica in the oil that it should have.
 > Martin
 >
 > Philip® wrote:
 >
  >> Just a question: Is there room for an oil filter adaptor that would
  >> reposition the oil filter with the threaded end UP ... so it could
  >> not drain dry overnight? Seems that would solve your connecting rod
  >> rattle on cold start up.
  >> --
  >>
  >> - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
  >>
  >>
  >> In news:1078765376.24618@sj-nntpcache-3,
  >> Martin Donnelly <madonnel.TakeThisOut@cisco.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
  >>
   >>> Mike
   >>>
   >>> I keep my cars for a long time. My concern is that the engine
   >>> will fail for this problem after the warranty is over and I will
   >>> be stuck with a large bill. I had this happen on a previous car,
   >>> so I am going after Lexus to fix this one. I take it in again to
   >>> Lexus tomorrow. I want the car fixed, but will start the
   >>> California Lemon Law proceeding on them if they don't. I have
   >>> statisfied all of the criteria to take them to arbitration or
   >>> court. I do want the car fixed, that is the only reason I am
   >>> still pursuing it. (The car was a birthday gift for Petra). I
   >>> have an old 94 LS400 which is one of the best cars that I have
   >>> ever owned. I have not been as thrilled about the service that I
   >>> have received on it over the last year either. Lexus has lost
   >>> sales on 8 vehicles that I know of so far because of this issue
   >>> and my trying to get the damn thing fixed. Several of the people
   >>> where I live have stopped purchasing Lexus cars, not just because
   >>> of me, because they feel that Lexus service has deteriorated over
   >>> the last 2 - 3 years. Lexus gets plenty of rave reviews from new
   >>> customers, but they are lossing their original customers -- not a
   >>> good sign. I have be extremely unimpressed when calling their
   >>> number in the US to get this resolved.
   >>>
   >>> Martin
   >>>
   >>> embee wrote:
   >>>
   >>>> Hi there
   >>>>
   >>>> I also have a 1 year old IS300 SPORTCROSS and this too knocks
   >>>> around the top end until the oil circulates. I was also told by
   >>>> the dealer that this is normal although it gives me some concern
   >>>> as well. I assume that if any thing serious develops it will
   >>>> be covered under the warranty. As long as you have registered
   >>>> your feelings about this situation. At least your not the only
   >>>> one
   >>>>
   >>>> regards
   >>>>
   >>>> Mike Berman
   >>>>
   >>>> Leicester K.K.
   >>>>
   >>>> Martin Donnelly wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>> Greetings
   >>>>>
   >>>>> I have a 4 month old IS300 that makes excessive engine valve
   >>>>> noise for 2-3 seconds at startup. Has anyone else experienced
   >>>>> this? I am trying to get Lexus to fix the car and they refuse
   >>>>> -- claim that this is normal. I have asked, if this is
   >>>>> normal, for a copy of the noise specification for startup
   >>>>> valve noise. I am compiling statistics on this issue. I
   >>>>> would love to hear from you whether your IS does or does not
   >>>>> make valve noise. I live in CA and am collecting stats to go
   >>>>> "Lemon Law" on the car.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Thanks.
   >>>>> Martin
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

Whew... been a while since I made that post. Any remote mounted
oil filter must be (considering the objectives of minimizing dry
starts) mounted with the threaded end UP ... and ... the filter needs
to be at an elevation close to that of the crankshaft.
--

- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM


Martin Donnelly wrote:
 > Hello Philip
 >
 > I got a reply from one of the television shows about cars. Their
 > reply was to get the oil filter relocation system for the turbo
 > charged Supra. The oil filter mounts to the (I believe from
 > their description) body
 > and is connected by 2 braided steel oil lines. I haven't
 > researched cost yet. I just had another less than pleasant
 > experience with Lexus again this morning.
 >
 > Martin
 >
 > Martin Donnelly wrote:
  >> Hello Philip
  >>
  >> There is some room, but the filter is above the left motor mount.
  >> I have asked Toyota for this numerous times, and the question
  >> that if I change this, will it invalidate the warranty. I cannot
  >> get an answer from them.
  >>
  >> We are currently doing oil analysis. The car has a little over 3
  >> times the level of Silica in the oil that it should have.
  >> Martin
  >>
  >> Philip® wrote:
  >>
   >>> Just a question: Is there room for an oil filter adaptor that
   >>> would reposition the oil filter with the threaded end UP ... so
   >>> it could not drain dry overnight? Seems that would solve your
   >>> connecting rod rattle on cold start up.
   >>> --
   >>>
   >>> - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> In news:1078765376.24618@sj-nntpcache-3,
   >>> Martin Donnelly <madonnel.RemoveThis@cisco.com> being of bellicose mind
   >>> posted:
   >>>
   >>>> Mike
   >>>>
   >>>> I keep my cars for a long time. My concern is that the engine
   >>>> will fail for this problem after the warranty is over and I
   >>>> will
   >>>> be stuck with a large bill. I had this happen on a previous
   >>>> car,
   >>>> so I am going after Lexus to fix this one. I take it in again
   >>>> to Lexus tomorrow. I want the car fixed, but will start the
   >>>> California Lemon Law proceeding on them if they don't. I have
   >>>> statisfied all of the criteria to take them to arbitration or
   >>>> court. I do want the car fixed, that is the only reason I am
   >>>> still pursuing it. (The car was a birthday gift for Petra). I
   >>>> have an old 94 LS400 which is one of the best cars that I have
   >>>> ever owned. I have not been as thrilled about the service that
   >>>> I have received on it over the last year either. Lexus has lost
   >>>> sales on 8 vehicles that I know of so far because of this issue
   >>>> and my trying to get the damn thing fixed. Several of the
   >>>> people where I live have stopped purchasing Lexus cars, not
   >>>> just because
   >>>> of me, because they feel that Lexus service has deteriorated
   >>>> over the last 2 - 3 years. Lexus gets plenty of rave reviews
   >>>> from new customers, but they are lossing their original
   >>>> customers -- not a good sign. I have be extremely unimpressed
   >>>> when calling their number in the US to get this resolved.
   >>>>
   >>>> Martin
   >>>>
   >>>> embee wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>> Hi there
   >>>>>
   >>>>> I also have a 1 year old IS300 SPORTCROSS and this too knocks
   >>>>> around the top end until the oil circulates. I was also told by
   >>>>> the dealer that this is normal although it gives me some
   >>>>> concern
   >>>>> as well. I assume that if any thing serious develops it will
   >>>>> be covered under the warranty. As long as you have registered
   >>>>> your feelings about this situation. At least your not the only
   >>>>> one
   >>>>>
   >>>>> regards
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Mike Berman
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Leicester K.K.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Martin Donnelly wrote:
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>> Greetings
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> I have a 4 month old IS300 that makes excessive engine valve
   >>>>>> noise for 2-3 seconds at startup. Has anyone else experienced
   >>>>>> this? I am trying to get Lexus to fix the car and they refuse
   >>>>>> -- claim that this is normal. I have asked, if this is
   >>>>>> normal, for a copy of the noise specification for startup
   >>>>>> valve noise. I am compiling statistics on this issue. I
   >>>>>> would love to hear from you whether your IS does or does not
   >>>>>> make valve noise. I live in CA and am collecting stats to go
   >>>>>> "Lemon Law" on the car.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> Thanks.
   >>>>>> Martin<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

The problem being the noise isn't valve related, nor is it caused by lack of
oil. We have a 98 GS300 which has had the noise intermittently sense day one,
it now has almost 60K and still runs great other than the noise. We have an
acquiesce who purchased a 2000 GS 300 and has the same noise on start up. He
added a pre oiler to cure the problem, it was no help. He is in the automotive
engineering field and a SAE member so he contacted, through the back door, a
Lexus engine engineer about the problem and was informed that the noise is
caused by the exhaust headers, and there is no fix other than trying a different
hearer assembly. As per the Lexus engineer the noise causes no problems with
useability nor longevity so Lexus will not due a recall. I have been told that
early er straight six Toyota engines used cast iron headers and that may be a
fix, but it looks to be a dog to modify the front exhaust system to work with
them.

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:46:17 -0700, Martin Donnelly <madonnel DeleteThis @cisco.com> wrote:

 >Hello Philip
 >
 >I got a reply from one of the television shows about cars. Their reply
 >was to get the oil filter relocation system for the turbo charged Supra.
 > The oil filter mounts to the (I believe from their description) body
 >and is connected by 2 braided steel oil lines. I haven't researched
 >cost yet. I just had another less than pleasant experience with Lexus
 >again this morning.
 >
 >Martin
 >
 >Martin Donnelly wrote:
  >> Hello Philip
  >>
  >> There is some room, but the filter is above the left motor mount. I
  >> have asked Toyota for this numerous times, and the question that if I
  >> change this, will it invalidate the warranty. I cannot get an answer
  >> from them.
  >>
  >> We are currently doing oil analysis. The car has a little over 3 times
  >> the level of Silica in the oil that it should have.
  >> Martin
  >>
  >> Philip® wrote:
  >>
   >>> Just a question: Is there room for an oil filter adaptor that would
   >>> reposition the oil filter with the threaded end UP ... so it could
   >>> not drain dry overnight? Seems that would solve your connecting rod
   >>> rattle on cold start up.
   >>> --
   >>>
   >>> - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> In news:1078765376.24618@sj-nntpcache-3,
   >>> Martin Donnelly <madonnel DeleteThis @cisco.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
   >>>
   >>>> Mike
   >>>>
   >>>> I keep my cars for a long time. My concern is that the engine
   >>>> will fail for this problem after the warranty is over and I will
   >>>> be stuck with a large bill. I had this happen on a previous car,
   >>>> so I am going after Lexus to fix this one. I take it in again to
   >>>> Lexus tomorrow. I want the car fixed, but will start the
   >>>> California Lemon Law proceeding on them if they don't. I have
   >>>> statisfied all of the criteria to take them to arbitration or
   >>>> court. I do want the car fixed, that is the only reason I am
   >>>> still pursuing it. (The car was a birthday gift for Petra). I
   >>>> have an old 94 LS400 which is one of the best cars that I have
   >>>> ever owned. I have not been as thrilled about the service that I
   >>>> have received on it over the last year either. Lexus has lost
   >>>> sales on 8 vehicles that I know of so far because of this issue
   >>>> and my trying to get the damn thing fixed. Several of the people
   >>>> where I live have stopped purchasing Lexus cars, not just because
   >>>> of me, because they feel that Lexus service has deteriorated over
   >>>> the last 2 - 3 years. Lexus gets plenty of rave reviews from new
   >>>> customers, but they are lossing their original customers -- not a
   >>>> good sign. I have be extremely unimpressed when calling their
   >>>> number in the US to get this resolved.
   >>>>
   >>>> Martin
   >>>>
   >>>> embee wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>> Hi there
   >>>>>
   >>>>> I also have a 1 year old IS300 SPORTCROSS and this too knocks
   >>>>> around the top end until the oil circulates. I was also told by
   >>>>> the dealer that this is normal although it gives me some concern
   >>>>> as well. I assume that if any thing serious develops it will
   >>>>> be covered under the warranty. As long as you have registered
   >>>>> your feelings about this situation. At least your not the only
   >>>>> one
   >>>>>
   >>>>> regards
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Mike Berman
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Leicester K.K.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Martin Donnelly wrote:
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>> Greetings
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> I have a 4 month old IS300 that makes excessive engine valve
   >>>>>> noise for 2-3 seconds at startup. Has anyone else experienced
   >>>>>> this? I am trying to get Lexus to fix the car and they refuse
   >>>>>> -- claim that this is normal. I have asked, if this is
   >>>>>> normal, for a copy of the noise specification for startup
   >>>>>> valve noise. I am compiling statistics on this issue. I
   >>>>>> would love to hear from you whether your IS does or does not
   >>>>>> make valve noise. I live in CA and am collecting stats to go
   >>>>>> "Lemon Law" on the car.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> Thanks.
   >>>>>> Martin
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
  >>

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 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

Hello Philip

Long time. I spent the last year with Lexus doing oil changes and oil
analysis each time. The silica numbers are outrageously high. It
appears that the engine is grinding itself to death during the startups.
I guess we now talk about a replacement car or a refund.
Martin

Philip® wrote:
 > Just a question: Is there room for an oil filter adaptor that would
 > reposition the oil filter with the threaded end UP ... so it could
 > not drain dry overnight? Seems that would solve your connecting rod
 > rattle on cold start up.
 > --
 >
 > - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
 >
 >
 > In news:1078765376.24618@sj-nntpcache-3,
 > Martin Donnelly <madonnel.RemoveThis@cisco.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
 >
  >>Mike
  >>
  >>I keep my cars for a long time. My concern is that the engine
  >> will fail for this problem after the warranty is over and I will
  >>be stuck with a large bill. I had this happen on a previous car,
  >>so I am going after Lexus to fix this one. I take it in again to
  >>Lexus tomorrow. I want the car fixed, but will start the
  >>California Lemon Law proceeding on them if they don't. I have
  >>statisfied all of the criteria to take them to arbitration or
  >>court. I do want the car fixed, that is the only reason I am
  >> still pursuing it. (The car was a birthday gift for Petra). I
  >>have an old 94 LS400 which is one of the best cars that I have
  >>ever owned. I have not been as thrilled about the service that I
  >>have received on it over the last year either. Lexus has lost
  >>sales on 8 vehicles that I know of so far because of this issue
  >>and my trying to get the damn thing fixed. Several of the people
  >>where I live have stopped purchasing Lexus cars, not just because
  >>of me, because they feel that Lexus service has deteriorated over
  >>the last 2 - 3 years. Lexus gets plenty of rave reviews from new
  >>customers, but they are lossing their original customers -- not a
  >>good sign. I have be extremely unimpressed when calling their
  >>number in the US to get this resolved.
  >>
  >>Martin
  >>
  >>embee wrote:
  >>
   >>>Hi there
   >>>
   >>>I also have a 1 year old IS300 SPORTCROSS and this too knocks
   >>>around the top end until the oil circulates. I was also told by
   >>>the dealer that this is normal although it gives me some concern
   >>>as well. I assume that if any thing serious develops it will
   >>>be covered under the warranty. As long as you have registered
   >>>your feelings about this situation. At least your not the only
   >>>one
   >>>
   >>>regards
   >>>
   >>>Mike Berman
   >>>
   >>>Leicester K.K.
   >>>
   >>>Martin Donnelly wrote:
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>Greetings
   >>>>
   >>>>I have a 4 month old IS300 that makes excessive engine valve
   >>>>noise for 2-3 seconds at startup. Has anyone else experienced
   >>>>this? I am trying to get Lexus to fix the car and they refuse
   >>>>-- claim that this is normal. I have asked, if this is
   >>>>normal, for a copy of the noise specification for startup
   >>>>valve noise. I am compiling statistics on this issue. I
   >>>>would love to hear from you whether your IS does or does not
   >>>>make valve noise. I live in CA and am collecting stats to go
   >>>>"Lemon Law" on the car.
   >>>>
   >>>>Thanks.
   >>>>Martin
 >
 >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

 > Long time. I spent the last year with Lexus doing oil changes and oil
 > analysis each time. The silica numbers are outrageously high. It appears
 > that the engine is grinding itself to death during the startups.

Silica is dirt. When these numbers are high, it is almost universally a
problem with the intake system, unfiltered air getting into engine's intake.

- Mark<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

Martin Donnelly wrote:
 > Hello Philip
 >
 > I do not race the engine at startup. I do not even touch the
throttle.
 > The oil was changed at 1000 miles by Lexus with a Lexus oil filter
in
 > an attempt to quiet the noise. The problem is that oil pump allows
the
 > oil that is up in the engine to drain back into the oil pan. A
mechanic
 > who has fixed this problem after market told me that he has seen
engines
 > with this problem and there are 2 possible causes -- the oil pump is
 > defective, or the oil pump is improperly installed. He said that
either
 > one is a simple repair. He owns a Supra and is very familiar with
 > Toyota engines.
 > Martin
 >

I thought that the readers of this thread would be interested in my
recent experience with a 2002 Toyota Avalon with only 12K miles - same
engine as the Lexus I believe. Horrendous "rattle" from engine for a
few seconds before it started. Only on first start after sitting at
least 24 hours.

Dealer duplicated the problem and determined that a valve lifter (I
think he should have said "follower") was worn. Part was replaced, and
problem appears fixed, but it's disturbing to have such a defect at
such a low mileage. Any comments?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: IS300 Excessive Valve Noise at Startup 

"herman" <peltans.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111448278.128545.289670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
 >
 > Martin Donnelly wrote:
  >> Hello Philip
  >>
  >> I do not race the engine at startup. I do not even touch the
 > throttle.
  >> The oil was changed at 1000 miles by Lexus with a Lexus oil filter
 > in
  >> an attempt to quiet the noise. The problem is that oil pump allows
 > the
  >> oil that is up in the engine to drain back into the oil pan. A
 > mechanic
  >> who has fixed this problem after market told me that he has seen
 > engines
  >> with this problem and there are 2