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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:27 pm
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Disunited States stands to lose the energy-saving small car battle to
both.



============
"General Motors doing booming business in India"

By Emily Wax
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, May 15, 2010; A10



TALEGAON, INDIA -- Sparks fly and robotic machines buzz and hum.
Assembly-line workers in coveralls, the sons of peanut and rice
farmers, seal windshields and weld doors. They're making zippy little
cars called Beat and Spark in the gleaming new General Motors plant
here -- and they're making boatloads of money.

The iconic American carmaker went bankrupt last year, but its Indian
operations have never been busier, evidence of India's booming
economic growth and the rising prosperity of middle classes that are
increasingly demanding first-world trappings in one of the fastest-
rising countries.

"The new generation wants to hold the steering wheel in their hands,"
said Prabhjot Singh, manager of a driving school who said young
Indians who used to go to him to learn how to drive scooters are now
flooding in to learn how to drive cars.

With rising household wealth, the growth of suburbs and highways and a
youthful population, India is the second-fastest-growing market for
car sales in the world after China. India's auto industry reported a
26.4 percent growth in sales in 2009-10, partly because a government
stimulus package lowered once sky-high interest rates and made
financing easier, according to a study by the Society of Indian
Automobile Manufacturers (SIAM).

The Indian government also cut manufacturing taxes in late 2008 and
early 2009 to protect domestic markets and attract overseas partners.
India's economy continued to grow at 8 percent, second only to
China's.

Car sales, almost exclusively for the booming domestic market, climbed
25 percent in the fiscal year that ended in March, to 1.53 million
from 1.22 million the previous year, SIAM said. Sales of trucks and
buses, an important measure of economic activity, increased 171
percent in the past year, according to the group.

"We are creating world records. Because, in India, there are really
still only 10 cars per 1,000 people, so the growth potential is so
high," said Sugato Sen, senior director at SIAM. "There's also a
change in mind-set. Even those classes that don't want to show off now
feel a car is a necessity. There are also so many models at each price
point that buyers are actually getting confused."

The GM plant on the outskirts of Pune, a two-hour drive from India's
commercial capital of Mumbai, is so busy that managers plan to add a
third shift to churn out cars around the clock. The plant, built in
2008, is one of two GM plants in India. Employment has risen from 720
workers a decade ago to 4,000, and in that period annual production of
cars has increased from a little more than 7,000 to more than 70,000.

Business has been so robust that managers of GM India, a wholly owned
subsidiary of GM, didn't want bankruptcy proceedings in the United
States to deter Indian customers, so they launched an aggressive
public relations campaign, offering free service at "camps" across the
country and inviting the Indian media to film it all.

"We didn't want the bankruptcy to overshadow our rising Indian
operations," said P. Balendra, vice president of GM India. "The Indian
customer enthusiasm was courted."

GM and other manufacturers have also developed a strategy aimed
directly at India's emerging middle classes, who for the first time
have enough income to afford a car. GM, which has long marketed
Cadillacs to the comfortable and Corvettes to the need-speed crowd,
has developed ad campaigns peddling its line of "mini-cars" to India's
car-hungry young professionals.

Ads call the Chevrolet Beat "Tough, Smart" and show a giant
purple beating heart and a young, well-dressed Indian woman with a
laptop bag, next to a sleek compact car.

"There are so many females who want to buy cars, and the numbers are
even greater than the males," said Naresh Agarwal, manager of the
Maruti Driving School in Gurgaon, the high-tech corridor outside New
Delhi. "So many young Indian women are working in the back office
outsourcing campuses. The chief concerns are lack of safety at night.
The families want them to have their own transport."

Part of the secret to India's success is that it is producing cars
that fit the "sweet spot," or a budget of less than $7,000 for first-
time car buyers. While the United States continues building gas-
guzzling tanks, India has perfected the "mini-car." Tata's famed Nano,
the world's cheapest car, is an extreme example. It costs about $2,000
and sales are reportedly brisk.

With far lower labor costs, GM India is more willing to be innovative.
The company recently announced that it will join Reva, India's
electric-car company, to roll out a new vehicle this year.

Outside the 300-acre GM plant in Talegaon, engineers with fresh
haircuts and briefcases in hand eagerly offered their résumés, hoping
to be one of the scheduled 800 hires in a new engine plant opening in
Talegaon and for GM's research and development center in Bangalore.

Inside on the line, Mamankar Pravin, 19, said his parents are wheat
farmers and saved their money to send him for a technical diploma. He
stood in line for days to get this job and is making three times what
his parents make threshing wheat. He put on his goggles and got to
work putting the trim on a bright green Beat.

"My parents are very proud," he said. "Sometimes I think this job is
like a dream."

[Special correspondent Ria Sen in New Delhi contributed to this
report.]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/14/AR2010...405371.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:43 pm
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On 15 May, 22:27, RedStateRepug wrote:
> Disunited States stands to lose the energy-saving small car battle to
> both.
>
> ============
> "General Motors doing booming business in India"
>
> By Emily Wax
> Washington Post Foreign Service
> Saturday, May 15, 2010; A10
>
> TALEGAON, INDIA -- Sparks fly and robotic machines buzz and hum.
> Assembly-line workers in coveralls, the sons of peanut and rice
> farmers, seal windshields and weld doors. They're making zippy little
> cars called Beat and Spark in the gleaming new General Motors plant
> here -- and they're making boatloads of money.
>
> The iconic American carmaker went bankrupt last year, but its Indian
> operations have never been busier, evidence of India's booming
> economic growth and the rising prosperity of middle classes that are
> increasingly demanding first-world trappings in one of the fastest-
> rising countries.
>
> "The new generation wants to hold the steering wheel in their hands,"
> said Prabhjot Singh, manager of a driving school who said young
> Indians who used to go to him to learn how to drive scooters are now
> flooding in to learn how to drive cars.
>
> With rising household wealth, the growth of suburbs and highways and a
> youthful population, India is the second-fastest-growing market for
> car sales in the world after China. India's auto industry reported a
> 26.4 percent growth in sales in 2009-10, partly because a government
> stimulus package lowered once sky-high interest rates and made
> financing easier, according to a study by the Society of Indian
> Automobile Manufacturers (SIAM).
>
> The Indian government also cut manufacturing taxes in late 2008 and
> early 2009 to protect domestic markets and attract overseas partners.
> India's economy continued to grow at 8 percent, second only to
> China's.
>
> Car sales, almost exclusively for the booming domestic market, climbed
> 25 percent in the fiscal year that ended in March, to 1.53 million
> from 1.22 million the previous year, SIAM said. Sales of trucks and
> buses, an important measure of economic activity, increased 171
> percent in the past year, according to the group.
>
> "We are creating world records. Because, in India, there are really
> still only 10 cars per 1,000 people, so the growth potential is so
> high," said Sugato Sen, senior director at SIAM. "There's also a
> change in mind-set. Even those classes that don't want to show off now
> feel a car is a necessity. There are also so many models at each price
> point that buyers are actually getting confused."
>
> The GM plant on the outskirts of Pune, a two-hour drive from India's
> commercial capital of Mumbai, is so busy that managers plan to add a
> third shift to churn out cars around the clock. The plant, built in
> 2008, is one of two GM plants in India. Employment has risen from 720
> workers a decade ago to 4,000, and in that period annual production of
> cars has increased from a little more than 7,000 to more than 70,000.
>
> Business has been so robust that managers of GM India, a wholly owned
> subsidiary of GM, didn't want bankruptcy proceedings in the United
> States to deter Indian customers, so they launched an aggressive
> public relations campaign, offering free service at "camps" across the
> country and inviting the Indian media to film it all.
>
> "We didn't want the bankruptcy to overshadow our rising Indian
> operations," said P. Balendra, vice president of GM India. "The Indian
> customer enthusiasm was courted."
>
> GM and other manufacturers have also developed a strategy aimed
> directly at India's emerging middle classes, who for the first time
> have enough income to afford a car. GM, which has long marketed
> Cadillacs to the comfortable and Corvettes to the need-speed crowd,
> has developed ad campaigns peddling its line of "mini-cars" to India's
> car-hungry young professionals.
>
> Ads call the Chevrolet Beat "Tough, Sexy, Smart" and show a giant
> purple beating heart and a young, well-dressed Indian woman with a
> laptop bag, next to a sleek compact car.
>
> "There are so many females who want to buy cars, and the numbers are
> even greater than the males," said Naresh Agarwal, manager of the
> Maruti Driving School in Gurgaon, the high-tech corridor outside New
> Delhi. "So many young Indian women are working in the back office
> outsourcing campuses. The chief concerns are lack of safety at night.
> The families want them to have their own transport."
>
> Part of the secret to India's success is that it is producing cars
> that fit the "sweet spot," or a budget of less than $7,000 for first-
> time car buyers. While the United States continues building gas-
> guzzling tanks, India has perfected the "mini-car." Tata's famed Nano,
> the world's cheapest car, is an extreme example. It costs about $2,000
> and sales are reportedly brisk.
>
> With far lower labor costs, GM India is more willing to be innovative.
> The company recently announced that it will join Reva, India's
> electric-car company, to roll out a new vehicle this year.
>
> Outside the 300-acre GM plant in Talegaon, engineers with fresh
> haircuts and briefcases in hand eagerly offered their résumés, hoping
> to be one of the scheduled 800 hires in a new engine plant opening in
> Talegaon and for GM's research and development center in Bangalore.
>
> Inside on the line, Mamankar Pravin, 19, said his parents are wheat
> farmers and saved their money to send him for a technical diploma. He
> stood in line for days to get this job and is making three times what
> his parents make threshing wheat. He put on his goggles and got to
> work putting the trim on a bright green Beat.
>
> "My parents are very proud," he said. "Sometimes I think this job is
> like a dream."
>
> [Special correspondent Ria Sen in New Delhi contributed to this
> report.]
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/14/AR201...

"The robotic machines buzzing" are US, Indians are just providing
labor.
Unlike China, Sonia's Goonda Cogressis has failed to invest a single
paisa in semicondcutor wafer.
Indians therefore import tens of billions of dollars worth
semiconductoir to rise to 100s of billions from China.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:50 pm
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After paying back Uncle Sam the tax-based-TARP dollars GM so gladly
grabbed to keep it from certain bankruptcy -- the payback itself also
being your tax money -- GM has announced it's cutting back its
powertrain warranty to two years or 25,000 miles -- to offset their
still shaky U.S. business.

By the way, have any of you ever heard about or personally known ANY
car owner who EVER actually collected on any manufacturer's warranty?

Me neither.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-powertrain-warranty.htm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:55 pm
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"Kyle Schwitters" wrote in message

> After paying back Uncle Sam the tax-based-TARP dollars GM so gladly
> grabbed to keep it from certain bankruptcy -- the payback itself also
> being your tax money -- GM has announced it's cutting back its
> powertrain warranty to two years or 25,000 miles -- to offset their
> still shaky U.S. business.
>
> By the way, have any of you ever heard about or personally known ANY
> car owner who EVER actually collected on any manufacturer's warranty?
>
> Me neither.
>
> http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-powertrain-warranty.htm


Idi, and so did all the working people who can afford cars. The people you
know collect welfare and take the bus.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:02 am
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> On May 15, 9:27 pm, RedStateRepug wrote:
>> Disunited States stands to lose the energy-saving small car battle to
>> both.
>>
>> ============
>> "General Motors doing booming business in India"
>>
>> By Emily Wax
>> Washington Post Foreign Service
>> Saturday, May 15, 2010; A10

>> "The new generation wants to hold the steering wheel in their hands,"
>> said Prabhjot Singh, manager of a driving school who said young
>> Indians who used to go to him to learn how to drive scooters are now
>> flooding in to learn how to drive cars.
>>
>> With rising household wealth, the growth of suburbs and highways and a
>> youthful population, India is the second-fastest-growing market for
>> car sales in the world after China.
>> Car sales, almost exclusively for the booming domestic market, climbed
>> 25 percent in the fiscal year that ended in March, to 1.53 million
>> from 1.22 million the previous year, SIAM said. Sales of trucks and
>> buses, an important measure of economic activity, increased 171
>> percent in the past year, according to the group.


>
> This growth in cars is causing the price of oil go up up up

Scary to think what the price of oil will be in the next 10 or more years.
Even scarier, what traffic will be like in the big cities of India.

Oil will not only be in demand for driving, but for making the plastic parts
and running the manufacturing plants. Of course, steel is already high due
to demand and Mittal Steel makes much of it. If there are shortages, I
wonder where most of it will go.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:45 pm
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Y'know, if we could coax China and India into a nuclear war, the
world's population might be reduced to a reasonable level.

Just a carefully considered thought.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:08 pm
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On 15/05/2010 3:50 PM, Kyle Schwitters wrote:
> After paying back Uncle Sam the tax-based-TARP dollars GM so gladly
> grabbed to keep it from certain bankruptcy -- the payback itself also
> being your tax money -- GM has announced it's cutting back its
> powertrain warranty to two years or 25,000 miles -- to offset their
> still shaky U.S. business.

And shakey quality.

> By the way, have any of you ever heard about or personally known ANY
> car owner who EVER actually collected on any manufacturer's warranty?
>
> Me neither.
>
> http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-powertrain-warranty.htm

I did when I owned a Chrysler and a GM. Both the ones I owned had major
defects costing thousands. The idea seemed to be to fix it good enough
to get out of warranty. With Chrysler, it cost me $4000 in todays
dollars. With GM, I sold it after the repair under warranty fix as I
had to threaten them with a lawyer to get it really fixed.

Will not even rent a GM or Chrylser to this day. And lots of friends
and aquantances had the same problems.

Add in GMs fraud and corruption in bailout costing we the taxpayers, I
will never have anything to do with these scum bag companies agaid.

--
There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are
counting on it.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:37 pm
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On 17/05/2010 2:45 PM, Mao'sAnus wrote:
> Y'know, if we could coax China and India into a nuclear war, the
> world's population might be reduced to a reasonable level.
>
> Just a carefully considered thought.

Especially if the fallout was over Africa. Between these three
countries and contentant you have the lions share of the worlds
population. India and Africa do not have population control policies,
China does.

--
There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are
counting on it.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:51 am
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I don't know if that post is factual or not but back when I was in retail I
was always amazed it how many of our domestic and foreign vehicle buyers,
that our F&I guys were able to convince to buy the manufactures EXTENDED
warranties.

We earned an very high percentage of our profit on the sale of a new
vehicles buy selling those extended warranties, even though statistically
less than 2% of them ever paid out more than the cost of the extended
warranty, and the buyers deductibles, after the manufactures warranty had
expired. That makes since when one considers 2% falls in line with the
average failure rate for ALL manufactured products.

If I could get a discount for NOT having a warranty on a new car, like I
could when I was buying used cars, I would opt for no warranty on the new
cars I buy.

The last time I had a warranty claim on any of my new vehicles, and I have
own a lot of new vehicles, was way back in the fifties.


"Canuck57" wrote in message

> On 15/05/2010 3:50 PM, Kyle Schwitters wrote:
>> After paying back Uncle Sam the tax-based-TARP dollars GM so gladly
>> grabbed to keep it from certain bankruptcy -- the payback itself also
>> being your tax money -- GM has announced it's cutting back its
>> powertrain warranty to two years or 25,000 miles -- to offset their
>> still shaky U.S. business.
>
> And shakey quality.
>
>> By the way, have any of you ever heard about or personally known ANY
>> car owner who EVER actually collected on any manufacturer's warranty?
>>
>> Me neither.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:53 am
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Once again our friend Canuch57 is telling us the sky is falling LOL


"Canuck57" wrote in message

> On 17/05/2010 2:45 PM, Mao'sAnus wrote:
>> Y'know, if we could coax China and India into a nuclear war, the
>> world's population might be reduced to a reasonable level.
>>
>> Just a carefully considered thought.
>
> Especially if the fallout was over Africa. Between these three countries
> and contentant you have the lions share of the worlds population. India
> and Africa do not have population control policies, China does.
>
> --
> There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are
> counting on it.
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