Hyudai Sales Person..

"Charles Pisano" <pisanochas RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Yesterday, I went on my once every 7 year pilgramage to a Hyudai dealer
> to test drive one and see where they're at. Last time I drove one was
> before I purchsed my 01 camry (new)..
>
> I ended up with a sales guy with an Arab accent. And we took a sonata
> out. I asked him 3 questions. First one was 'does this car have a timing
> chain or a belt?'. The second was 'about how much does this vehicle
> weigh?'.
>
> To the first question he said 'I think it has a belt. But you only have
> to change it every 100k miles'. He said it with such conviction that if
> he didn't have the Arabic accent, It might have been convincing . I
> think Hyundai has timing chains in their vehicles by now? no?
>
> Anyway, his answer to my second question led to my third. He said I
> believe the vehicle weighs 7,000 pounds.
>
> And, of course, that led to my obvious 3rd question, 'how long have you
> been selling cars?'...Because it obviously hasn't been long..And he said
> seven months.. I guess my point is why not use the down time (over
> several months) to learn about the vehicles you're selling instead of
> looking so foolish?
>
> They only had 2 brands, Mazda and Hyundai. And to make things worse, he
> asked 2 older sales guys and they couldn't tell me if it had a timing
> chain or a belt..!
> One guys answer was ' I'm a salesman not a mechanic'...
>
> I guess that's why they have all those 'DUH' stickers all over the
> dealership..?
>

I've found that very few salespeople are knowledgeable about the technical
aspects of the products they sell. What the salesperson should have done is
say that he would find the answers.

If you're curious, you can find the answer to the timing belt/chain question
by looking at the maintenance schedule, and the answer to the weight
question will be in the specifications section of the manual. Gross vehicle
weight will be on the manufacturer's plate on the door jamb.

A Hummer H1 weighs around 6,800 lbs
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Ray O wrote:
> "Charles Pisano" <pisanochas DeleteThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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> > And we took a sonata out.
> > He said I believe the vehicle weighs 7,000 pounds.

> A Hummer H1 weighs around 6,800 lbs

Maybe the Sonata is denser.
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My point is more what are they thinking as sales people. Do they have
any pride? As a former automotive technician, I often know the answer
to the questions I ask a car sales person b4 I ask it.I just ask to see
of what value (if any) they can be to me.

And as a current sales person myself (insurance), I am embarrased for
many of them. It would be better for car companys to have a computer
terminal in their lobby that can scan my insurance and license and allow
me to check out a car (for a test run) and look up specs on it than to
have sales people who don't care about their craft..or who refuse to
bring any effort or homework to the transaction..

I guess it's coming to that with much of the internet buying that is
going on. OTOH, I did speak to a toyota salesperson recently (20 year
rep) who did know the value of a J vin number and could recite different
specs..But it is ever so rare to find.
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> Ray O wrote:
>> "Charles Pisano" <pisanochas RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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>> > And we took a sonata out.
>> > He said I believe the vehicle weighs 7,000 pounds.
>
>> A Hummer H1 weighs around 6,800 lbs
>
> Maybe the Sonata is denser.

Or maybe the salesperson that Charles met is denser...
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop RemoveThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> In article <21150-47F04546-44 RemoveThis @storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>,
> pisanochas RemoveThis @webtv.net (Charles Pisano) wrote:
>
>> My point is more what are they thinking as sales people. Do they have
>> any pride?
>
> You don't understand. Their goal is to get your signature on the order,
> period.
>
> Fact is, in this day and age, they are dinosaurs. You can hit a web
> site and have the car delivered, you hand over a check or sign some
> papers, and that's it. No actual salesman involved. You've already
> done all the legwork and know exactly what you want; at this point,
> anyone else you deal with is nothing more than an order taker.
>
> The age of the car salesman is coming to a close.

Unfortunately, this is not true. As long as the average intelligence of car
buyers (and everybody else) is as low as it currently seems to be, there'll
be car salesmen who can tell lies, obfuscate the facts on every single
aspect of the vehicles they sell, and hornswoggle customers in every
possible way. If you think there aren't folks who have no idea of what
they're buying and what they're paying for it, think again. Many people
will sign blank orders based on the salesman telling them "just sign it,
we'll fill it in at the credit office", can't tell you whether they bought a
four or six cylinder automobile, have not a clue how much interest they pay
on their loan, etc.
As long as such customers exist, so the salesmen will exist.
>
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Re: Hyudai Sales Person..

Group: alt.autos.toyota Date: Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 10:44am (EDT-3) From:
mackerel.TakeThisOut@dslextreme.com (mack)

Unfortunately, this is not true. As long as the average intelligence of
car buyers (and everybody else) is as low as it currently seems to be,
there'll be car salesmen who can tell lies, obfuscate the facts on every
single aspect of the vehicles they sell, and hornswoggle customers in
every possible way. If you think there aren't folks who have no idea of
what they're buying and what they're paying for it, think again.  
Many people will sign blank orders based on the salesman telling them
"just sign it, we'll fill it in at the credit office", can't tell you
whether they bought a four or six cylinder automobile, have not a clue
how much interest they pay on their loan, etc.
As long as such customers exist, so the salesmen will exist.

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Sadly, I think this is more like it. People are sheep. Today I went to
the same dealership and checked out a mazda 6. I'm looking at everything
lately. My camry has 137k miles. I guess it's just a reflex. I say that
because I think I could slap on 4 new struts and get another 100k
comfortable miles..

The mazda sales guy was just as bad as the arab.

Me-How many gallon tank in this 6.?

Him -20

Me-Does it have a timing chain or a belt?

Him - a belt ...they are all going that way now..

(Lmao)

He volunteered that he has been selling cars for 7 months . B4 that he
said he was a MORTGAGE BROKER..!

That would be the last thing I'd tell people..
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On Apr 1, 3:44 am, "mack" <macke... RemoveThis @dslextreme.com> wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el... RemoveThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote in messagenews:elmop-897307.07081631032008@nntp2.usenetserver.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <21150-47F04546... RemoveThis @storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>,
> > pisanoc... RemoveThis @webtv.net (Charles Pisano) wrote:
>
> >> My point is more what are they thinking as sales people. Do they have
> >> any pride?
>
> > You don't understand. Their goal is to get your signature on the order,
> > period.
>
> > Fact is, in this day and age, they are dinosaurs. You can hit a web
> > site and have the car delivered, you hand over a check or sign some
> > papers, and that's it. No actual salesman involved. You've already
> > done all the legwork and know exactly what you want; at this point,
> > anyone else you deal with is nothing more than an order taker.
>
> > The age of the car salesman is coming to a close.
>
> Unfortunately, this is not true. As long as the average intelligence of car
> buyers (and everybody else) is as low as it currently seems to be, there'll
> be car salesmen who can tell lies, obfuscate the facts on every single
> aspect of the vehicles they sell, and hornswoggle customers in every
> possible way. If you think there aren't folks who have no idea of what
> they're buying and what they're paying for it, think again. Many people
> will sign blank orders based on the salesman telling them "just sign it,
> we'll fill it in at the credit office", can't tell you whether they bought a
> four or six cylinder automobile, have not a clue how much interest they pay
> on their loan, etc.
> As long as such customers exist, so the salesmen will exist.
>
>

Quoting your words" the AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE of car buyers (and
EVERYBODY ELSE) is AS LOW as it currently seems to be....{
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On Apr 2, 6:29 am, sirmichaelcat <mccro... RemoveThis @adam.com.au> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 3:44 am, "mack" <macke... RemoveThis @dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el... RemoveThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote in messagenews:elmop-897307.07081631032008@nntp2.usenetserver.com...
>
> > > In article <21150-47F04546... RemoveThis @storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>,
> > > pisanoc... RemoveThis @webtv.net (Charles Pisano) wrote:
>
> > >> My point is more what are they thinking as sales people. Do they have
> > >> any pride?
>
> > > You don't understand. Their goal is to get your signature on the order,
> > > period.
>
> > > Fact is, in this day and age, they are dinosaurs. You can hit a web
> > > site and have the car delivered, you hand over a check or sign some
> > > papers, and that's it. No actual salesman involved. You've already
> > > done all the legwork and know exactly what you want; at this point,
> > > anyone else you deal with is nothing more than an order taker.
>
> > > The age of the car salesman is coming to a close.
>
> > Unfortunately, this is not true. As long as the average intelligence of car
> > buyers (and everybody else) is as low as it currently seems to be, there'll
> > be car salesmen who can tell lies, obfuscate the facts on every single
> > aspect of the vehicles they sell, and hornswoggle customers in every
> > possible way. If you think there aren't folks who have no idea of what
> > they're buying and what they're paying for it, think again. Many people
> > will sign blank orders based on the salesman telling them "just sign it,
> > we'll fill it in at the credit office", can't tell you whether they bought a
> > four or six cylinder automobile, have not a clue how much interest they pay
> > on their loan, etc.
> > As long as such customers exist, so the salesmen will exist.
>
> Quoting your words" the AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE of car buyers (and
> EVERYBODY ELSE) is AS LOW as it currently seems to be....{

it must be true
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