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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:41 am
Post subject: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to Do it Now!
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:31 am
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On Feb 24, 8:41 am, jenneylist wrote:
> Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to Do it Now!http://www.greenautomotive.co.cc/2010/02/go-green-with-homemade-elect...
I am all for getting an affordable Electrical Car.
The price of the batteries is still prohibitive.
Will that change when more Electrical Cars will be made?
I think it is probably better to buy a new well made Electrical Car
than trying to change an old car into an Electric Car even if it
sounds good.
The old auto companies do not seem to interested in making an Electric
Car at all.
The best they can do is come up with sort of a non-solution of putting
a bigger starter in an old car and call it a hybrid and we are all
meant to be happy.
An ordinary car has over 1000 moving parts and the car companies make
70% of their money on spare parts and services.
An Electrical Car made as an Electrical Car only has 4 moving parts
and thus not much can go wrong and thus not much to do in maintenance
and spare parts.
A true Electrical Car will last a lot longer than an ordinary car and
the whole industry of supporting and making cars will change.
Eventually this will happen and it is more a question of when and how
and mostly we do need to get new better and less expensive batteries
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:01 am
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> "Björn Helgason" wrote in message
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> The best they can do is come up with sort of a non-solution of putting
> a bigger starter in an old car and call it a hybrid and we are all
> meant to be happy.
Thus is wholly true of the GM BAS system used on the Saturns, partially true
on the Honda assist system, but not true as far as full hybrids with 2
motors go, (Toyota THS/THSII/HSD), Ford hybrids, Nissan hybrids, and GM
2-mode hybrids. >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:31 am
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On 24 Feb, 15:01, "Daniel who wants to know" wrote:
> > "Björn Helgason" wrote in message
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> > The best they can do is come up with sort of a non-solution of putting
> > a bigger starter in an old car and call it a hybrid and we are all
> > meant to be happy.
>
> Thus is wholly true of the GM BAS system used on the Saturns, partially true
> on the Honda assist system, but not true as far as full hybrids with 2
> motors go, (Toyota THS/THSII/HSD), Ford hybrids, Nissan hybrids, and GM
> 2-mode hybrids.
With a hybrid of any kind you still have more than 1000 moving parts
that keep maintenance people busy and money away from your pockets.
There is a need for a complete rethink and a complete electrical
solution.
The price of gas is a blessing in disguise because it puts pressure on
a system change.
In a way a plug-in-hybrid with a serial connection so the electrical
controls drive and brake and the other engine only used as a reserve
to load batteries is a fairly good interim solution.
Anything else is just a fake and meant to deceive potential users and
prolong the old way of making vehicles.
We have to start making serious effort of going electric to get rid of
the dependency on the arabs of this world. >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:04 pm
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I live about 6 miles from the shopping center.
I could probably make 90% of my weekly purchases there.
Close enough to drive a golfcart !
Problem is; You can't take the cart on the highway.
norr can you ride the cart on the paved "jogging path"
that's adjacent to the highway......
????
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:41:13 -0800 (PST), jenneylist
wrote:
>Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to Do it Now!
>http://www.greenautomotive.co.cc/2010/02/go-green-with-homemade-electric-car-top.html >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:19 pm
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There are a half dozen manufacture selling true electric cars today. If
you want one you can buy one today or you can wait till the fall for the
Volt.
"Björn Helgason" wrote in message
On 24 Feb, 15:01, "Daniel who wants to know" wrote:
> > "Björn Helgason" wrote in message
> >
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> > The best they can do is come up with sort of a non-solution of putting
> > a bigger starter in an old car and call it a hybrid and we are all
> > meant to be happy.
>
> Thus is wholly true of the GM BAS system used on the Saturns, partially
> true
> on the Honda assist system, but not true as far as full hybrids with 2
> motors go, (Toyota THS/THSII/HSD), Ford hybrids, Nissan hybrids, and GM
> 2-mode hybrids.
With a hybrid of any kind you still have more than 1000 moving parts
that keep maintenance people busy and money away from your pockets.
There is a need for a complete rethink and a complete electrical
solution.
The price of gas is a blessing in disguise because it puts pressure on
a system change.
In a way a plug-in-hybrid with a serial connection so the electrical
controls drive and brake and the other engine only used as a reserve
to load batteries is a fairly good interim solution.
Anything else is just a fake and meant to deceive potential users and
prolong the old way of making vehicles.
We have to start making serious effort of going electric to get rid of
the dependency on the arabs of this world. >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:19 pm
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Ya, and be a sucker, pay too much for it and it is a golf cart with
batteries.
Might as well buy a Tata Nano or Zenn and screw the GM price tax and
subsidies needed for GM to produce it.
On 24/02/2010 4:19 PM, Mike Hunter wrote:
> There are a half dozen manufacture selling true electric cars today. If
> you want one you can buy one today or you can wait till the fall for the
> Volt.
>
> "Björn Helgason" wrote in message
>
> On 24 Feb, 15:01, "Daniel who wants to know" wrote:
>>> "Björn Helgason" wrote in message
>>>
>>
>>> The best they can do is come up with sort of a non-solution of putting
>>> a bigger starter in an old car and call it a hybrid and we are all
>>> meant to be happy.
>>
>> Thus is wholly true of the GM BAS system used on the Saturns, partially
>> true
>> on the Honda assist system, but not true as far as full hybrids with 2
>> motors go, (Toyota THS/THSII/HSD), Ford hybrids, Nissan hybrids, and GM
>> 2-mode hybrids.
>
> With a hybrid of any kind you still have more than 1000 moving parts
> that keep maintenance people busy and money away from your pockets.
>
> There is a need for a complete rethink and a complete electrical
> solution.
>
> The price of gas is a blessing in disguise because it puts pressure on
> a system change.
>
> In a way a plug-in-hybrid with a serial connection so the electrical
> controls drive and brake and the other engine only used as a reserve
> to load batteries is a fairly good interim solution.
>
> Anything else is just a fake and meant to deceive potential users and
> prolong the old way of making vehicles.
>
> We have to start making serious effort of going electric to get rid of
> the dependency on the arabs of this world.
>
> >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:41 am
Post subject: Re: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to Do it [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 24 Feb, 23:19, "Mike Hunter" wrote:
> There are a half dozen manufacture selling true electric cars today. If
> you want one you can buy one today or you can wait till the fall for the
> Volt.
>
I am sure that the Volt is going to change a lot of peoples minds
about hybrids and electrical vehicles.
GM still has a lot of impact and this may well be a turning point for
GM. >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:43 am
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On 25 Feb, 15:23, "Mike Hunter" wrote:
> True electrics are years ahead of hybrids. GM currently has a least five
> other types of vehicles that will be build off the basic Volt chassis,
> including an Luxury SUV and a truck.
>
> True electrics cost much less to build and certify under the federal
> regulations. For the buyers true electrics will cost much less to maintain
> and will last much longer than conventionally powered vehicles as well
>
> "Bj rn Helgason" wrote in message
>
>
> On 24 Feb, 23:19, "Mike Hunter" wrote:
>
> > There are a half dozen manufacture selling true electric cars today. If
> > you want one you can buy one today or you can wait till the fall for the
> > Volt.
>
> I am sure that the Volt is going to change a lot of peoples minds
> about hybrids and electrical vehicles.
>
> GM still has a lot of impact and this may well be a turning point for
> GM.
It is true that true electrics cost much less to build and maintain
but the problem still is the high cost of batteries and that is
basically what is holding the electrics back and has been over the
years.
The costs of the batteries are coming down and they are getting better
but they are not there yet. >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:01 am
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On 25 Feb, 15:50, "Mike Hunter" wrote:
> They will when the economies of scale kick in.
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> "Bj rn Helgason" wrote in message
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> On 25 Feb, 15:23, "Mike Hunter" wrote:
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> > True electrics are years ahead of hybrids. GM currently has a least five
> > other types of vehicles that will be build off the basic Volt chassis,
> > including an Luxury SUV and a truck.
>
> > True electrics cost much less to build and certify under the federal
> > regulations. For the buyers true electrics will cost much less to maintain
> > and will last much longer than conventionally powered vehicles as well
>
> > "Bj rn Helgason" wrote in message
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> >
> > On 24 Feb, 23:19, "Mike Hunter" wrote:
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> > > There are a half dozen manufacture selling true electric cars today. If
> > > you want one you can buy one today or you can wait till the fall for the
> > > Volt.
>
> > I am sure that the Volt is going to change a lot of peoples minds
> > about hybrids and electrical vehicles.
>
> > GM still has a lot of impact and this may well be a turning point for
> > GM.
>
> It is true that true electrics cost much less to build and maintain
> but the problem still is the high cost of batteries and that is
> basically what is holding the electrics back and has been over the
> years.
>
> The costs of the batteries are coming down and they are getting better
> but they are not there yet.
I am sure you are right about that.
Up to now the companies making electrics have not been the big car
companies and they probably were not very interested in electrics
because they would be cannibalizing their other divisions.
Now with the high prices of gas and everybody interested in going
electric they will just have to go there too.
It is very similar to what happened to the companies making big
computers.
They were not interested in going in to making small computers with
much lower margins.
In the end they had to or die and many did and others died.
It might just be possible for GM to rise back to glory on the Volt. >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:17 am
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What makes you think that? One will be able to buy a Volt, which is a true
electric, for around the same price as a Prius which is smaller and still
uses outdated technology. Nether of which car be classified as a golf cart.
You can not buy Tata Nano or Zenn in the US. You should try doing some
research before you choose to comment on a subject which you obviously have
no knowledge. Perhaps then you not seem as foolish so often.
"Canuck57" wrote in message
> Ya, and be a sucker, pay too much for it and it is a golf cart with
> batteries.
>
> Might as well buy a Tata Nano or Zenn and screw the GM price tax and
> subsidies needed for GM to produce it.
>
> On 24/02/2010 4:19 PM, Mike Hunter wrote:
>> There are a half dozen manufacture selling true electric cars today. If
>> you want one you can buy one today or you can wait till the fall for the
>> Volt. >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:23 am
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True electrics are years ahead of hybrids. GM currently has a least five
other types of vehicles that will be build off the basic Volt chassis,
including an Luxury SUV and a truck.
True electrics cost much less to build and certify under the federal
regulations. For the buyers true electrics will cost much less to maintain
and will last much longer than conventionally powered vehicles as well
"Björn Helgason" wrote in message
On 24 Feb, 23:19, "Mike Hunter" wrote:
> There are a half dozen manufacture selling true electric cars today. If
> you want one you can buy one today or you can wait till the fall for the
> Volt.
>
I am sure that the Volt is going to change a lot of peoples minds
about hybrids and electrical vehicles.
GM still has a lot of impact and this may well be a turning point for
GM. >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:50 am
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They will when the economies of scale kick in.
"Björn Helgason" wrote in message
On 25 Feb, 15:23, "Mike Hunter" wrote:
> True electrics are years ahead of hybrids. GM currently has a least five
> other types of vehicles that will be build off the basic Volt chassis,
> including an Luxury SUV and a truck.
>
> True electrics cost much less to build and certify under the federal
> regulations. For the buyers true electrics will cost much less to maintain
> and will last much longer than conventionally powered vehicles as well
>
> "Bj rn Helgason" wrote in message
>
>
> On 24 Feb, 23:19, "Mike Hunter" wrote:
>
> > There are a half dozen manufacture selling true electric cars today. If
> > you want one you can buy one today or you can wait till the fall for the
> > Volt.
>
> I am sure that the Volt is going to change a lot of peoples minds
> about hybrids and electrical vehicles.
>
> GM still has a lot of impact and this may well be a turning point for
> GM.
It is true that true electrics cost much less to build and maintain
but the problem still is the high cost of batteries and that is
basically what is holding the electrics back and has been over the
years.
The costs of the batteries are coming down and they are getting better
but they are not there yet. >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:13 am
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"Björn Helgason" wrote in message
On 24 Feb, 23:19, "Mike Hunter" wrote:
> There are a half dozen manufacture selling true electric cars today. If
> you want one you can buy one today or you can wait till the fall for the
> Volt.
>
I am sure that the Volt is going to change a lot of peoples minds
about hybrids and electrical vehicles.
GM still has a lot of impact and this may well be a turning point for
GM.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:02 am
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On 25/02/2010 8:17 AM, Mike Hunter wrote:
> What makes you think that? One will be able to buy a Volt, which is a true
> electric, for around the same price as a Prius which is smaller and still
> uses outdated technology. Nether of which car be classified as a golf cart.
Just because it is newer does not mean it is better. Volt has a lower
range at highways speeds. A step backwards.
> You can not buy Tata Nano or Zenn in the US. You should try doing some
> research before you choose to comment on a subject which you obviously have
> no knowledge. Perhaps then you not seem as foolish so often.
People should ask why. Why is a Tata passing strict European crash
tests and not allowed into the USA? Hint: NHTSA wants to keep prices
high for GM. Want zero emissions, why screw around with a GM Volt when
you can go for a Zenn at 1/4 the cost?
Now that is green I like, green left in my pocket.
People are going to get sick and tired of paying for this GM dog.
> "Canuck57" wrote in message
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>> Ya, and be a sucker, pay too much for it and it is a golf cart with
>> batteries.
>>
>> Might as well buy a Tata Nano or Zenn and screw the GM price tax and
>> subsidies needed for GM to produce it.
>>
>> On 24/02/2010 4:19 PM, Mike Hunter wrote:
>>> There are a half dozen manufacture selling true electric cars today. If
>>> you want one you can buy one today or you can wait till the fall for the
>>> Volt.
>
> >> Stay informed about: Go Green With a Homemade Electric Car - Top 3 Reasons to D.. |
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