Gasoline could drop 50 cents/gallon by spring

"on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton.

Talk like that should scare the bejeebers out of everyone. It sounds
more like a quote from Hugo Chavez, the tin-horn dictator of Venezuela.
Or maybe Fidel Castro.

Bottled water costs more than gasoline. Why don't the "do gooder"
politicians go after the "big water" companies? Or how about
questioning why college tuition costs outstrip just about everything in
terms of cost/inflation? Where's the outrage? Mister B
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"Mister Bear" <MisterBear07.RemoveThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> This is totally opposite a report that was out just a few days ago,
> speculating that regular grade gas will average around $3.50 a gallon by
> next summer. Who to believe? Mister B
>

They'll lower the price in the spring, hoping to crank up demand. Then,
they'll raise it again around mid-June when people want to travel for summer
vacations. The reason for the price hike will be the usual bullshit, like
"The Middle East is a dangerous place", or "There might be a hurricane next
month".
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Mister Bear wrote:
> "on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton.

How do you think roads are built and plowed, sewers are dug, public
schools are funded, people on Social Security get their money and health
care, the military is funded, and parks are maintained? Hint: It is not
a donation by Bill Gates.

> Talk like that should scare the bejeebers out of everyone. It sounds
> more like a quote from Hugo Chavez, the tin-horn dictator of Venezuela.
> Or maybe Fidel Castro.
>
> Bottled water costs more than gasoline. Why don't the "do gooder"
> politicians go after the "big water" companies?

No one is forcing people to buy bottled water. In fact, I wish people
would stop buying bottled water. It takes resources to bottle the water
and transport the water.

> Or how about
> questioning why college tuition costs outstrip just about everything in
> terms of cost/inflation? Where's the outrage? Mister B

This is one of the many issues that have been brought up in the
Presidential campaigns.

Jeff
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Hillary Clinton's comments, if true, absolutely should scare you. This
kind of big brother threat is not like taxing for schools, sewers and
schools. It's about arrogant abuse of government power, erosion of
fundamental rights and confiscation of private property. We don't need
this kind of bullying and threatening. If its the petro companies
today, who's next? This is a page right from Hugo Chavez socialist
playbook. Mister B
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"Mister Bear" <MisterBear07 RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Hillary Clinton's comments, if true, absolutely should scare you. This
> kind of big brother threat is not like taxing for schools, sewers and
> schools. It's about arrogant abuse of government power, erosion of
> fundamental rights and confiscation of private property. We don't need
> this kind of bullying and threatening. If its the petro companies
> today, who's next? This is a page right from Hugo Chavez socialist
> playbook. Mister B
>

Hillary has been like this since she was co-governor of Arkansas. She
wanted mandatory government-run pre-school even back then. (Check her
platform, it's still there.) Why? Indoctrination, of course, so little
kiddies will grow up being 'politically correct'.

She has no use for the 'little people' except as they vote for her. She is
an extreme elitist. How I explain her to my friends, is that she's
basically Joe Stalin in drag. If you think Nixon had an 'Enemies List',
just let Hillary take over. There will be many strange deaths just like
Vince Foster's supposed 'suicide' and MacDougal's unexplained heart attack,
and Ron Brown's crashing into a mountain in a plane that, for some reason,
didn't have a black box.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for Bill. And a vote to repeal the
Constitution.

Charles the Curmudgeon
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mister Bear wrote:
>> "on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton.
>
> How do you think roads are built and plowed, sewers are dug, public
> schools are funded, people on Social Security get their money and health
> care, the military is funded, and parks are maintained? Hint: It is not a
> donation by Bill Gates.
>
>> Talk like that should scare the bejeebers out of everyone. It sounds
>> more like a quote from Hugo Chavez, the tin-horn dictator of Venezuela.
>> Or maybe Fidel Castro.
>>
>> Bottled water costs more than gasoline. Why don't the "do gooder"
>> politicians go after the "big water" companies?
>
> No one is forcing people to buy bottled water.


Now someone's going to say that you don't *have* to buy gasoline, either.
Ready?
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Mister Bear wrote:
> This is totally opposite a report that was out just a few days ago,
> speculating that regular grade gas will average around $3.50 a gallon by
> next summer. Who to believe? Mister B

If people could perfectly predict the future, people would make a
fortune on the stock market. That rarely happens.

In the middle east, there have been some issues with internet service.
Perhaps there will be other types of attacks in the middle east or
political problems in another country that exports oil.

Jeff
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Mister Bear" <MisterBear07.DeleteThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:19189-47AA1821-3@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net...
>> This is totally opposite a report that was out just a few days ago,
>> speculating that regular grade gas will average around $3.50 a gallon by
>> next summer. Who to believe? Mister B
>>
>
> They'll lower the price in the spring, hoping to crank up demand. Then,
> they'll raise it again around mid-June when people want to travel for summer
> vacations. The reason for the price hike will be the usual bullshit, like
> "The Middle East is a dangerous place", or "There might be a hurricane next
> month".

I don't think they will lower gasoline prices to increase demand. They
will sell it for as much as they can get.

Last May, gas prices were quite high, but people continued to buy gas
all summer.

Jeff
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Mister Bear" <MisterBear07 DeleteThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:19189-47AA1821-3@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net...
>>> This is totally opposite a report that was out just a few days ago,
>>> speculating that regular grade gas will average around $3.50 a gallon by
>>> next summer. Who to believe? Mister B
>>>
>>
>> They'll lower the price in the spring, hoping to crank up demand. Then,
>> they'll raise it again around mid-June when people want to travel for
>> summer vacations. The reason for the price hike will be the usual
>> bullshit, like "The Middle East is a dangerous place", or "There might be
>> a hurricane next month".
>
> I don't think they will lower gasoline prices to increase demand. They
> will sell it for as much as they can get.
>
> Last May, gas prices were quite high, but people continued to buy gas all
> summer.
>
> Jeff


The article is too simplistic anyway. The price of oil is largely determined
by speculation. That should be illegal for a product so important to the
economy. Other industries manage to hedge against price swings without
exposing themselves to a market full of recreational traders. It's time for
the oil companies to do the same thing.
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1bpqj.109341$U12.91753@trnddc06...
>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "Mister Bear" <MisterBear07.DeleteThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>> news:19189-47AA1821-3@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net...
>>>> This is totally opposite a report that was out just a few days ago,
>>>> speculating that regular grade gas will average around $3.50 a gallon by
>>>> next summer. Who to believe? Mister B
>>>>
>>> They'll lower the price in the spring, hoping to crank up demand. Then,
>>> they'll raise it again around mid-June when people want to travel for
>>> summer vacations. The reason for the price hike will be the usual
>>> bullshit, like "The Middle East is a dangerous place", or "There might be
>>> a hurricane next month".
>> I don't think they will lower gasoline prices to increase demand. They
>> will sell it for as much as they can get.
>>
>> Last May, gas prices were quite high, but people continued to buy gas all
>> summer.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
> The article is too simplistic anyway. The price of oil is largely determined
> by speculation. That should be illegal for a product so important to the
> economy.

Why? How else do expect the cost to be determined? Did we go through
this when there was a democrat in the White House? He liked to wear
sweaters, but, the price controls he put in place only lead to gasoline
shortages.

What is more important than fuel for our houses and cars? Fuel for our
bodies. And this stuff is traded on commodities markets, too.

The only way that the US can decrease the influence of speculation on
oil costs has on our economy is to decrease the use of oil.

Oil is determined by a global economy, not just the US economy.

Stopping oil commodities trading in the US won't change speculation one
bit, except that it won't be in NY. Buying futures also helps airlines
and other big users of oil predict their future costs. And intelligent
buying helps SouthWest to keep their costs down, too.

> Other industries manage to hedge against price swings without
> exposing themselves to a market full of recreational traders. It's time for
> the oil companies to do the same thing.

They're not recreational traders. They're traders who make a living at
it. Please show us that these recreational traders have a great
influence in the price of oil. Or that closing this market in the US
will have any great influence on the price of oil.

Jeff
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:46:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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>"Mister Bear" <MisterBear07 RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:19189-47AA1821-3@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net...

>> This is totally opposite a report that was out just a few days ago,
>> speculating that regular grade gas will average around $3.50 a gallon by
>> next summer. Who to believe? Mister B
>
>They'll lower the price in the spring, hoping to crank up demand. Then,
>they'll raise it again around mid-June when people want to travel for summer
>vacations. The reason for the price hike will be the usual bullshit, like
>"The Middle East is a dangerous place", or "There might be a hurricane next
>month".

No, all they have to do to start a price-raising panic is have a
refinery worker go take a Smoke Break, and drop his lit Ronson a bit
too close to a cracking tower with some loose vapors floating around,
and they make sure to have lovely footage of the "horrible refinery
fire that will interrupt operations for a week" on the Six O'Clock
News.

And I can almost GUARANTEE we'll get one, maybe two refinery fires
that "interrupt gasoline production" in Southern California this
spring or summer, you can almost set your watch by them.

And then they say "We can't bring in refined gasoline from other
regions, because it won't meet our special emissions blends..." Even
when the Feds say they'll suspend the rules for a month to allow it.

The Refiners play us for suckers, and we fall for it. Hook, Line,
Sinker, fighting chair, and sometimes the entire stern of the boat.

"We don't have enough refining capacity to meet demand!" So BUILD
SOME MORE CAPACITY, fools!! If you can make more refined products
than the competition, you get to sell more. But true competition
would depress prices slightly (even considering the higher volume
means higher overall profits) and we can't have that...

--<< Bruce >>--
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:54:29 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> Ready?


BLAM!
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1bpqj.109341$U12.91753@trnddc06...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>> "Mister Bear" <MisterBear07.DeleteThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:19189-47AA1821-3@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net...
>>>>> This is totally opposite a report that was out just a few days ago,
>>>>> speculating that regular grade gas will average around $3.50 a gallon
>>>>> by
>>>>> next summer. Who to believe? Mister B
>>>>>
>>>> They'll lower the price in the spring, hoping to crank up demand. Then,
>>>> they'll raise it again around mid-June when people want to travel for
>>>> summer vacations. The reason for the price hike will be the usual
>>>> bullshit, like "The Middle East is a dangerous place", or "There might
>>>> be a hurricane next month".
>>> I don't think they will lower gasoline prices to increase demand. They
>>> will sell it for as much as they can get.
>>>
>>> Last May, gas prices were quite high, but people continued to buy gas
>>> all summer.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> The article is too simplistic anyway. The price of oil is largely
>> determined by speculation. That should be illegal for a product so
>> important to the economy.
>
> Why? How else do expect the cost to be determined? Did we go through this
> when there was a democrat in the White House? He liked to wear sweaters,
> but, the price controls he put in place only lead to gasoline shortages.
>
> What is more important than fuel for our houses and cars? Fuel for our
> bodies. And this stuff is traded on commodities markets, too.
>
> The only way that the US can decrease the influence of speculation on oil
> costs has on our economy is to decrease the use of oil.
>
> Oil is determined by a global economy, not just the US economy.
>
> Stopping oil commodities trading in the US won't change speculation one
> bit, except that it won't be in NY. Buying futures also helps airlines and
> other big users of oil predict their future costs. And intelligent buying
> helps SouthWest to keep their costs down, too.
>
>> Other industries manage to hedge against price swings without exposing
>> themselves to a market full of recreational traders. It's time for the
>> oil companies to do the same thing.
>
> They're not recreational traders. They're traders who make a living at it.
> Please show us that these recreational traders have a great influence in
> the price of oil. Or that closing this market in the US will have any
> great influence on the price of oil.
>
> Jeff
>


I'll tweeze this apart in more detail later. But for now, plenty of
industries negotiate directly with their raw material suppliers, with no
need for any sort of exchange in the supply chain. These industries are no
less efficient than the oil business, and they manage to hedge without any
problem at all. These industries are often vulnerable to factors totally
beyond human control, and yet, they manage just fine.

Do you agree with some or all of this? If not, why not?
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