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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 9:27 pm
Post subject: GM exec claims Volt propulsion system “too_
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The "Short Circuit" is on track for the bottom. Too bad GM murdered the
EV-1.
GM exec claims Volt propulsion system “too expensive”
http://www.hybridcarblog.com/gm-exec-claims-volt-propulsion-system-too...pensive
Still a work in progress
“Right now, the propulsion system is too expensive, even with using an
existing engine,” GM’s new vice president of global vehicle engineering,
Karl Stracke, told Inside Line today regarding the Chevy Volt. Thus, GM
is already investigating new engines for the second generation Volt,
such as rotary and diesel engines.
In addition to both rotary and diesel engines, GM is also contemplating
a 2-cylinder engine.
Of course, when it comes to the Volt’s expensive propulsion system, it
is the $10,000 lithium-ion battery pack that hurts most. Along those
lines, GM believes battery costs can be cut in half by the 2nd
generation Volt.
Still, coupled with a recent story claiming that the Volt’s powertrain
will only be used in Volt-sized vehicles, one begins to wonder just how
important the Volt really is to GM. Certainly, perhaps one day the Volt
might be able to challenge the Toyota Prius in US car sales for
instance; however, unlike the Prius, if the Volt’s powertrain cannot be
implemented across GM’s product platform can it ever be as viable and
profitable as Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive?
Even Stracke seems uncertain. “The future of the automobile has never
been as interesting as it is right now,” said Stracke. “Big question is,
what new propulsion system will come next?”
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:59 am
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On 5/28/2010 8:27 PM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
> The "Short Circuit" is on track for the bottom. Too bad GM murdered the
> EV-1.
>
> GM exec claims Volt propulsion system “too expensive”
> http://www.hybridcarblog.com/gm-exec-claims-volt-propulsion-system-too...pensive
>
>
> Still a work in progress
>
> “Right now, the propulsion system is too expensive, even with using an
> existing engine,” GM’s new vice president of global vehicle engineering,
> Karl Stracke, told Inside Line today regarding the Chevy Volt. Thus, GM
> is already investigating new engines for the second generation Volt,
> such as rotary and diesel engines.
>
> In addition to both rotary and diesel engines, GM is also contemplating
> a 2-cylinder engine.
>
> Of course, when it comes to the Volt’s expensive propulsion system, it
> is the $10,000 lithium-ion battery pack that hurts most. Along those
> lines, GM believes battery costs can be cut in half by the 2nd
> generation Volt.
>
> Still, coupled with a recent story claiming that the Volt’s powertrain
> will only be used in Volt-sized vehicles, one begins to wonder just how
> important the Volt really is to GM. Certainly, perhaps one day the Volt
> might be able to challenge the Toyota Prius in US car sales for
> instance; however, unlike the Prius, if the Volt’s powertrain cannot be
> implemented across GM’s product platform can it ever be as viable and
> profitable as Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive?
>
> Even Stracke seems uncertain. “The future of the automobile has never
> been as interesting as it is right now,” said Stracke. “Big question is,
> what new propulsion system will come next?”
>
>
Maybe a Briggs and Stratton two cylinder garden tractor engine and
a pile of black and Decker Li cordless drill batterys will solve
there woes.... 
Ford had the right idea in there edge prototype hybrid. a fuel cell.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 11:44 am
Post subject: Re:_GM_exec_claims_Volt_propulsion_ [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 28/05/2010 7:27 PM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
> The "Short Circuit" is on track for the bottom. Too bad GM murdered the
> EV-1.
>
> GM exec claims Volt propulsion system “too expensive”
> http://www.hybridcarblog.com/gm-exec-claims-volt-propulsion-system-too...pensive
I guess at least one executive has awoken. How much do they pay this
guy? I could have told you this a year ago...
And at $10k for a battery pack that will deteriorate in 3 years this
pushes cost per mile right up there with a Ferari. Bet it doesn't drive
nor ride like one.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:16 am
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On 31 Maj, 13:31, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 05/31/2010 08:39 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
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> > Unfortunately others will build a real electric-as GM could have done
> > with the EV-1. That old mindset is still there and it will do them ill.
>
> Guys, the EV-1 was never a practical commercial product. You can blame
> GM for a lot of things but not selling the EV-1 outright is not one of
> them, that was a good business decision. Give them props for doing the
> R&D to develop it to the point that it was, then move on.
>
> nate
>
> --
> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel
An electrical car is much simpler than the rest.
You need a
a) box
b) generator
c) batteries
d) BMS to control the batteries.
a) is very easy and everyone and his grandmother can make one.
b) a hell of a lot of variety and know technology available
c) these are available but mostly still a bit expensive
d) these are a bit varied in quality but there are good options
available
For pretty much anyone it is possible to make one in the home garage.
You can take an old car and make the change.
There is no rocket science needed to put together an electric car.
For a company needing to make the box 10 to 100 times more expensive
to pay for fat cat management it is a dead end.
Making one Volt costs X the cost to the customer is 100X
90X are needed for bonuses
9X for marketing
1X for making the car
--------
100X Price of the Volt
Make one in you garage will cost you from 3X to 10X depending on your
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:31 am
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On 05/31/2010 08:39 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
> Unfortunately others will build a real electric-as GM could have done
> with the EV-1. That old mindset is still there and it will do them ill.
Guys, the EV-1 was never a practical commercial product. You can blame
GM for a lot of things but not selling the EV-1 outright is not one of
them, that was a good business decision. Give them props for doing the
R&D to develop it to the point that it was, then move on.
nate
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replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:21 am
Post subject: Re: GM exec claims Volt propulsion system "too expensive" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 31 Maj, 16:00, "Tom" wrote:
> "Bjorn" wrote in message
>
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> > On 31 Maj, 13:31, Nate Nagel wrote:
> >> On 05/31/2010 08:39 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
>
> >> > Unfortunately others will build a real electric-as GM could have done
> >> > with the EV-1. That old mindset is still there and it will do them ill.
>
> >> Guys, the EV-1 was never a practical commercial product. You can blame
> >> GM for a lot of things but not selling the EV-1 outright is not one of
> >> them, that was a good business decision. Give them props for doing the
> >> R&D to develop it to the point that it was, then move on.
>
> >> nate
>
> >> --
> >> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel
>
> > An electrical car is much simpler than the rest.
>
> > You need a
> > a) box
> > b) generator
> > c) batteries
> > d) BMS to control the batteries.
>
> > a) is very easy and everyone and his grandmother can make one.
> > b) a hell of a lot of variety and know technology available
> > c) these are available but mostly still a bit expensive
> > d) these are a bit varied in quality but there are good options
> > available
>
> > For pretty much anyone it is possible to make one in the home garage.
> > You can take an old car and make the change.
>
> > There is no rocket science needed to put together an electric car.
>
> > For a company needing to make the box 10 to 100 times more expensive
> > to pay for fat cat management it is a dead end.
>
> > Making one Volt costs X the cost to the customer is 100X
>
> > 90X are needed for bonuses
> > 9X for marketing
> > 1X for making the car
> > --------
> > 100X Price of the Volt
>
> > Make one in you garage will cost you from 3X to 10X depending on your
> > skill.
>
> you would only be able to drive it on your own property it still needs to
> pass all safety and other regs. drive it hit someone and they own you
> forever. golf carts already exist try driving it on the highway. Every
> thing is always simple in the mind of simple people.
I know several people who have taken ordinary cars and changed them
into electrical cars.
Take out the old motor, fuel tank, remove exhaust system put in
batteries and generator and they can and do drive on the highway.
Very simple.
It works and more and more people do this and the driving costs more
or less disappear.
The strange thing is the old registration remains the same.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 12:00 pm
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"Bjorn" wrote in message
> On 31 Maj, 13:31, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 05/31/2010 08:39 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
>>
>> > Unfortunately others will build a real electric-as GM could have done
>> > with the EV-1. That old mindset is still there and it will do them ill.
>>
>> Guys, the EV-1 was never a practical commercial product. You can blame
>> GM for a lot of things but not selling the EV-1 outright is not one of
>> them, that was a good business decision. Give them props for doing the
>> R&D to develop it to the point that it was, then move on.
>>
>> nate
>>
>> --
>> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel
>
> An electrical car is much simpler than the rest.
>
> You need a
> a) box
> b) generator
> c) batteries
> d) BMS to control the batteries.
>
> a) is very easy and everyone and his grandmother can make one.
> b) a hell of a lot of variety and know technology available
> c) these are available but mostly still a bit expensive
> d) these are a bit varied in quality but there are good options
> available
>
> For pretty much anyone it is possible to make one in the home garage.
> You can take an old car and make the change.
>
> There is no rocket science needed to put together an electric car.
>
> For a company needing to make the box 10 to 100 times more expensive
> to pay for fat cat management it is a dead end.
>
> Making one Volt costs X the cost to the customer is 100X
>
> 90X are needed for bonuses
> 9X for marketing
> 1X for making the car
> --------
> 100X Price of the Volt
>
> Make one in you garage will cost you from 3X to 10X depending on your
> skill.
you would only be able to drive it on your own property it still needs to
pass all safety and other regs. drive it hit someone and they own you
forever. golf carts already exist try driving it on the highway. Every
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 12:03 pm
Post subject: Re: GM exec claims Volt propulsion system "too expensive" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 31 Maj, 18:34, "Tom" wrote:
> "Bjorn" wrote in message
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> > On 31 Maj, 16:00, "Tom" wrote:
> >> "Bjorn" wrote in message
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> >>
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> >> > On 31 Maj, 13:31, Nate Nagel wrote:
> >> >> On 05/31/2010 08:39 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
>
> >> >> > Unfortunately others will build a real electric-as GM could have
> >> >> > done
> >> >> > with the EV-1. That old mindset is still there and it will do them
> >> >> > ill.
>
> >> >> Guys, the EV-1 was never a practical commercial product. You can
> >> >> blame
> >> >> GM for a lot of things but not selling the EV-1 outright is not one of
> >> >> them, that was a good business decision. Give them props for doing
> >> >> the
> >> >> R&D to develop it to the point that it was, then move on.
>
> >> >> nate
>
> >> >> --
> >> >> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel
>
> >> > An electrical car is much simpler than the rest.
>
> >> > You need a
> >> > a) box
> >> > b) generator
> >> > c) batteries
> >> > d) BMS to control the batteries.
>
> >> > a) is very easy and everyone and his grandmother can make one.
> >> > b) a hell of a lot of variety and know technology available
> >> > c) these are available but mostly still a bit expensive
> >> > d) these are a bit varied in quality but there are good options
> >> > available
>
> >> > For pretty much anyone it is possible to make one in the home garage..
> >> > You can take an old car and make the change.
>
> >> > There is no rocket science needed to put together an electric car.
>
> >> > For a company needing to make the box 10 to 100 times more expensive
> >> > to pay for fat cat management it is a dead end.
>
> >> > Making one Volt costs X the cost to the customer is 100X
>
> >> > 90X are needed for bonuses
> >> > 9X for marketing
> >> > 1X for making the car
> >> > --------
> >> > 100X Price of the Volt
>
> >> > Make one in you garage will cost you from 3X to 10X depending on your
> >> > skill.
>
> >> you would only be able to drive it on your own property it still needs to
> >> pass all safety and other regs. drive it hit someone and they own you
> >> forever. golf carts already exist try driving it on the highway. Every
> >> thing is always simple in the mind of simple people.
>
> > I know several people who have taken ordinary cars and changed them
> > into electrical cars.
>
> > Take out the old motor, fuel tank, remove exhaust system put in
> > batteries and generator and they can and do drive on the highway.
>
> > Very simple.
>
> > It works and more and more people do this and the driving costs more
> > or less disappear.
>
> > The strange thing is the old registration remains the same.
>
> >http://ecars-now.wikidot.com/
>
> The BS bells went off. personally know several people. how far did they go.
> how did they drive etc. you probably don't even have a drivers license.. a
> home made car is worthless.
> and probably unsafe, show me proof, not internet stuff, the several you
> saw. Not likey troll
http://www.electricvehicleev.com/
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green-Transportation/2007-06-01/Volt-El...ric-Car
http://ezinearticles.com/?Electric-Car-Conversion&id=1551615
http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1044695_are-infrastructure-changes-a-myth
http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1043600_electric-polaris-ranger-at...hanges-
http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/volt.do
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 2:34 pm
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"Bjorn" wrote in message
> On 31 Maj, 16:00, "Tom" wrote:
>> "Bjorn" wrote in message
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>> > On 31 Maj, 13:31, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> >> On 05/31/2010 08:39 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
>>
>> >> > Unfortunately others will build a real electric-as GM could have
>> >> > done
>> >> > with the EV-1. That old mindset is still there and it will do them
>> >> > ill.
>>
>> >> Guys, the EV-1 was never a practical commercial product. You can
>> >> blame
>> >> GM for a lot of things but not selling the EV-1 outright is not one of
>> >> them, that was a good business decision. Give them props for doing
>> >> the
>> >> R&D to develop it to the point that it was, then move on.
>>
>> >> nate
>>
>> >> --
>> >> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel
>>
>> > An electrical car is much simpler than the rest.
>>
>> > You need a
>> > a) box
>> > b) generator
>> > c) batteries
>> > d) BMS to control the batteries.
>>
>> > a) is very easy and everyone and his grandmother can make one.
>> > b) a hell of a lot of variety and know technology available
>> > c) these are available but mostly still a bit expensive
>> > d) these are a bit varied in quality but there are good options
>> > available
>>
>> > For pretty much anyone it is possible to make one in the home garage.
>> > You can take an old car and make the change.
>>
>> > There is no rocket science needed to put together an electric car.
>>
>> > For a company needing to make the box 10 to 100 times more expensive
>> > to pay for fat cat management it is a dead end.
>>
>> > Making one Volt costs X the cost to the customer is 100X
>>
>> > 90X are needed for bonuses
>> > 9X for marketing
>> > 1X for making the car
>> > --------
>> > 100X Price of the Volt
>>
>> > Make one in you garage will cost you from 3X to 10X depending on your
>> > skill.
>>
>> you would only be able to drive it on your own property it still needs to
>> pass all safety and other regs. drive it hit someone and they own you
>> forever. golf carts already exist try driving it on the highway. Every
>> thing is always simple in the mind of simple people.
>
> I know several people who have taken ordinary cars and changed them
> into electrical cars.
>
> Take out the old motor, fuel tank, remove exhaust system put in
> batteries and generator and they can and do drive on the highway.
>
> Very simple.
>
> It works and more and more people do this and the driving costs more
> or less disappear.
>
> The strange thing is the old registration remains the same.
>
> http://ecars-now.wikidot.com/
The BS bells went off. personally know several people. how far did they go.
how did they drive etc. you probably don't even have a drivers license. a
home made car is worthless.
and probably unsafe, show me proof, not internet stuff, the several you
saw. Not likey troll >> Stay informed about: GM exec claims Volt propulsion system “too_ |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 3:00 pm
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On 31 Maj, 21:33, "Steve W." wrote:
> Bjorn wrote:
> > On 31 Maj, 18:34, "Tom" wrote:
> >> "Bjorn" wrote in message
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> >>
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> >>> On 31 Maj, 16:00, "Tom" wrote:
> >>>> "Bjorn" wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 31 Maj, 13:31, Nate Nagel wrote:
> >>>>>> On 05/31/2010 08:39 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
> >>>>>>> Unfortunately others will build a real electric-as GM could have
> >>>>>>> done
> >>>>>>> with the EV-1. That old mindset is still there and it will do them
> >>>>>>> ill.
> >>>>>> Guys, the EV-1 was never a practical commercial product. You can
> >>>>>> blame
> >>>>>> GM for a lot of things but not selling the EV-1 outright is not one of
> >>>>>> them, that was a good business decision. Give them props for doing
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> R&D to develop it to the point that it was, then move on.
> >>>>>> nate
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel
> >>>>> An electrical car is much simpler than the rest.
> >>>>> You need a
> >>>>> a) box
> >>>>> b) generator
> >>>>> c) batteries
> >>>>> d) BMS to control the batteries.
> >>>>> a) is very easy and everyone and his grandmother can make one.
> >>>>> b) a hell of a lot of variety and know technology available
> >>>>> c) these are available but mostly still a bit expensive
> >>>>> d) these are a bit varied in quality but there are good options
> >>>>> available
> >>>>> For pretty much anyone it is possible to make one in the home garage.
> >>>>> You can take an old car and make the change.
> >>>>> There is no rocket science needed to put together an electric car.
> >>>>> For a company needing to make the box 10 to 100 times more expensive
> >>>>> to pay for fat cat management it is a dead end.
> >>>>> Making one Volt costs X the cost to the customer is 100X
> >>>>> 90X are needed for bonuses
> >>>>> 9X for marketing
> >>>>> 1X for making the car
> >>>>> --------
> >>>>> 100X Price of the Volt
> >>>>> Make one in you garage will cost you from 3X to 10X depending on your
> >>>>> skill.
> >>>> you would only be able to drive it on your own property it still needs to
> >>>> pass all safety and other regs. drive it hit someone and they own you
> >>>> forever. golf carts already exist try driving it on the highway. Every
> >>>> thing is always simple in the mind of simple people.
> >>> I know several people who have taken ordinary cars and changed them
> >>> into electrical cars.
> >>> Take out the old motor, fuel tank, remove exhaust system put in
> >>> batteries and generator and they can and do drive on the highway.
>
> Not legally unless they are subjected to a complete inspection to make
> sure they are legal and road worthy.
>
> >>> Very simple.
> >>> It works and more and more people do this and the driving costs more
> >>> or less disappear.
>
> B.S. They still need to buy all the parts, then what does it cost to
> charge the vehicle? Also if they are doing this legally they would need
> to do MUCH more than just drop in the motor and controller.
>
> >>> The strange thing is the old registration remains the same.
>
> It better not. NONE of the power plant is the same and insurance
> companies do NOT like home brewed vehicles.
>
> >>>http://ecars-now.wikidot.com/
> >> The BS bells went off. personally know several people. how far did they go.
> >> how did they drive etc. you probably don't even have a drivers license. a
> >> home made car is worthless.
> >> and probably unsafe, show me proof, not internet stuff, the several you
> >> saw. Not likey troll
>
> --
> Steve W.
> (\___/)
> (='.'=)
> (")_(")
Believe it or not but the cars are registered and insured as if they
were still the old type of car.
I guess it basically means the system has not set rules for this
situation yet.
Home built Electrical cars are more or less considered bicycles and
treated as such so you can use them anywhere.
Strangely enough then ordinary bicycles are taxed and treated as toys.
Electrical bicycles are treated as something else and do not get any
tax and do not need to be registered but can be driven anywhere as
bicycles.
The wave of electrical vehicles is huge but comes slowly like a
glacier very slowly but very heavy and they are everywhere.
Big car companies are not yet fully aware of this big change and do
not know what is hitting them and are falling down like wounded
elephants all over the place.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 3:37 pm
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Bjorn wrote:
> On 31 Maj, 18:34, "Tom" wrote:
>> "Bjorn" wrote in message
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>>> On 31 Maj, 16:00, "Tom" wrote:
>>>> "Bjorn" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> On 31 Maj, 13:31, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/31/2010 08:39 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
>>>>>>> Unfortunately others will build a real electric-as GM could have
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> with the EV-1. That old mindset is still there and it will do them
>>>>>>> ill.
>>>>>> Guys, the EV-1 was never a practical commercial product. You can
>>>>>> blame
>>>>>> GM for a lot of things but not selling the EV-1 outright is not one of
>>>>>> them, that was a good business decision. Give them props for doing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> R&D to develop it to the point that it was, then move on.
>>>>>> nate
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel
>>>>> An electrical car is much simpler than the rest.
>>>>> You need a
>>>>> a) box
>>>>> b) generator
>>>>> c) batteries
>>>>> d) BMS to control the batteries.
>>>>> a) is very easy and everyone and his grandmother can make one.
>>>>> b) a hell of a lot of variety and know technology available
>>>>> c) these are available but mostly still a bit expensive
>>>>> d) these are a bit varied in quality but there are good options
>>>>> available
>>>>> For pretty much anyone it is possible to make one in the home garage.
>>>>> You can take an old car and make the change.
>>>>> There is no rocket science needed to put together an electric car.
>>>>> For a company needing to make the box 10 to 100 times more expensive
>>>>> to pay for fat cat management it is a dead end.
>>>>> Making one Volt costs X the cost to the customer is 100X
>>>>> 90X are needed for bonuses
>>>>> 9X for marketing
>>>>> 1X for making the car
>>>>> --------
>>>>> 100X Price of the Volt
>>>>> Make one in you garage will cost you from 3X to 10X depending on your
>>>>> skill.
>>>> you would only be able to drive it on your own property it still needs to
>>>> pass all safety and other regs. drive it hit someone and they own you
>>>> forever. golf carts already exist try driving it on the highway. Every
>>>> thing is always simple in the mind of simple people.
>>> I know several people who have taken ordinary cars and changed them
>>> into electrical cars.
>>> Take out the old motor, fuel tank, remove exhaust system put in
>>> batteries and generator and they can and do drive on the highway.
>>> Very simple.
>>> It works and more and more people do this and the driving costs more
>>> or less disappear.
>>> The strange thing is the old registration remains the same.
>>> http://ecars-now.wikidot.com/
>> The BS bells went off. personally know several people. how far did they go.
>> how did they drive etc. you probably don't even have a drivers license. a
>> home made car is worthless.
>> and probably unsafe, show me proof, not internet stuff, the several you
>> saw. Not likey troll
>
> http://www.electricvehicleev.com/
> http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green-Transportation/2007-06-01/Volt-El...ric-Car
> http://ezinearticles.com/?Electric-Car-Conversion&id=1551615
> http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1044695_are-infrastructure-changes-a-myth
> http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1043600_electric-polaris-ranger-at...hanges-
> http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/volt.do
> http://www.pluginamerica.org/index.shtml
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Bjorn wrote:
> On 31 Maj, 18:34, "Tom" wrote:
>> "Bjorn" wrote in message
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>>> On 31 Maj, 16:00, "Tom" wrote:
>>>> "Bjorn" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> On 31 Maj, 13:31, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/31/2010 08:39 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
>>>>>>> Unfortunately others will build a real electric-as GM could have
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> with the EV-1. That old mindset is still there and it will do them
>>>>>>> ill.
>>>>>> Guys, the EV-1 was never a practical commercial product. You can
>>>>>> blame
>>>>>> GM for a lot of things but not selling the EV-1 outright is not one of
>>>>>> them, that was a good business decision. Give them props for doing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> R&D to develop it to the point that it was, then move on.
>>>>>> nate
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>>>>>> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel
>>>>> An electrical car is much simpler than the rest.
>>>>> You need a
>>>>> a) box
>>>>> b) generator
>>>>> c) batteries
>>>>> d) BMS to control the batteries.
>>>>> a) is very easy and everyone and his grandmother can make one.
>>>>> b) a hell of a lot of variety and know technology available
>>>>> c) these are available but mostly still a bit expensive
>>>>> d) these are a bit varied in quality but there are good options
>>>>> available
>>>>> For pretty much anyone it is possible to make one in the home garage.
>>>>> You can take an old car and make the change.
>>>>> There is no rocket science needed to put together an electric car.
>>>>> For a company needing to make the box 10 to 100 times more expensive
>>>>> to pay for fat cat management it is a dead end.
>>>>> Making one Volt costs X the cost to the customer is 100X
>>>>> 90X are needed for bonuses
>>>>> 9X for marketing
>>>>> 1X for making the car
>>>>> --------
>>>>> 100X Price of the Volt
>>>>> Make one in you garage will cost you from 3X to 10X depending on your
>>>>> skill.
>>>> you would only be able to drive it on your own property it still needs to
>>>> pass all safety and other regs. drive it hit someone and they own you
>>>> forever. golf carts already exist try driving it on the highway. Every
>>>> thing is always simple in the mind of simple people.
>>> I know several people who have taken ordinary cars and changed them
>>> into electrical cars.
>>> Take out the old motor, fuel tank, remove exhaust system put in
>>> batteries and generator and they can and do drive on the highway.
Not legally unless they are subjected to a complete inspection to make
sure they are legal and road worthy.
>>> Very simple.
>>> It works and more and more people do this and the driving costs more
>>> or less disappear.
B.S. They still need to buy all the parts, then what does it cost to
charge the vehicle? Also if they are doing this legally they would need
to do MUCH more than just drop in the motor and controller.
>>> The strange thing is the old registration remains the same.
It better not. NONE of the power plant is the same and insurance
companies do NOT like home brewed vehicles.
>>> http://ecars-now.wikidot.com/
>> The BS bells went off. personally know several people. how far did they go.
>> how did they drive etc. you probably don't even have a drivers license. a
>> home made car is worthless.
>> and probably unsafe, show me proof, not internet stuff, the several you
>> saw. Not likey troll
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:48 pm
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On 31/05/2010 8:16 AM, Bjorn wrote:
> On 31 Maj, 13:31, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 05/31/2010 08:39 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
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>>> Unfortunately others will build a real electric-as GM could have done
>>> with the EV-1. That old mindset is still there and it will do them ill.
>>
>> Guys, the EV-1 was never a practical commercial product. You can blame
>> GM for a lot of things but not selling the EV-1 outright is not one of
>> them, that was a good business decision. Give them props for doing the
>> R&D to develop it to the point that it was, then move on.
>>
>> nate
>>
>> --
>> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel
>
> An electrical car is much simpler than the rest.
>
> You need a
> a) box
> b) generator
> c) batteries
> d) BMS to control the batteries.
>
> a) is very easy and everyone and his grandmother can make one.
> b) a hell of a lot of variety and know technology available
> c) these are available but mostly still a bit expensive
> d) these are a bit varied in quality but there are good options
> available
>
> For pretty much anyone it is possible to make one in the home garage.
> You can take an old car and make the change.
>
> There is no rocket science needed to put together an electric car.
>
> For a company needing to make the box 10 to 100 times more expensive
> to pay for fat cat management it is a dead end.
>
> Making one Volt costs X the cost to the customer is 100X
>
> 90X are needed for bonuses
> 9X for marketing
> 1X for making the car
> --------
> 100X Price of the Volt
>
> Make one in you garage will cost you from 3X to 10X depending on your
> skill.
And since people will only pay 2x, 100x has to be paid for by the
taxpayer. So they can have 2% to kick back in lobbyists in DC.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:19 am
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The fact that a completely new type of chassis costs a lot of money, is
nothing new to the industry. When Ford introduced the Escort it was sold to
dealers BELOW the build cost for over a year. The economies of scale
eventually turned that around. Ford needed the smaller car to meet CAFE
because Ford, unlike GM and Chrysler, did not intend to replace all of its
models over to the more expensive to build FWD, because of the huge costs.
Ford expected to capture the market, that was still out there, for those
buyers that still needed the larger RWD platform vehicles that were less
expensive to build than FWD vehicles. Ford did not offer it higher volume
FWD mid-size car until the Taurus, years after GM and Chrysler made the
change. Changing assembly plants from RWD to FWD cost billions of dollars.
A prime example of the higher build cost was evident at Chrysler, who
continued to offer the RWD V8 New Yorker for nearly $1,000 less than the
smaller 4cy FWD New Yorker.
"Bjorn" wrote in message
On 29 Maj, 01:27, Jim_Higgins wrote:
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> GM exec claims Volt propulsion system “too expensive”http://www.hybridcarblog.com/gm-exec-claims-volt-propulsion-system-to...
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> Still a work in progress
>
> “Right now, the propulsion system is too expensive, even with using an
> existing engine,” GM’s new vice president of global vehicle engineering,
> Karl Stracke, told Inside Line today regarding the Chevy Volt. Thus, GM
> is already investigating new engines for the second generation Volt,
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GM was never allowed to "sell" the EV-1. The EV-1 was built under
exception to federal regulation at the time, as an "Experimental Vehicle,"
that could only be leased, to run on the public highways. ALL EV-1 had to
be destroyed after the test period expired.
The limited range of the batteries and small total sales potential at the
time, is what doomed production of the EV-1. One thing that did stand out,
to GM bean counters for the future, was the much lower build costs of
electric vehicles
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