Ford F series loses title as top-selling vehicle in May

"Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
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> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:17:40 -0400, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite3 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>The monster Turdra is perhaps the worst thought out investment Toyota has
>>made in 50 years.
>
> Unfortunately, it's a nice truck at a bad time.


I don't think C.E. White has ever been near one. He calls it a monster, yet
it is really no larger than the other Trucks in its class, and while Toyota
markets it as a fullsize, it is technically and officially a mid-size pick
up.

I think he is just rambling inane xenephobic blah blah...


>
>>I'll bet the Toyota management in Japan wishes they could send some Ninjas
>>over to clean out the idiots who convinced them to turn a reasonably sized
>>truck into the bloated gas sucking pig they are stuck trying to sell with
>>gas at $4. Oh well, at least they still have the Tacoma.
>
> The "gas sucking pig" Tundra gets ~ _1_ MPG less than my 4.0L Tacoma
> in EPA tests, with greater capability.
>
>>How long before
>>they start importing the smaller trucks they sell in other markets?
>
> Like the Hilux, A.K.A the current Tacoma?
>
> There are no "smaller" trucks sold to other markets. The only real
> difference is that the Hilux is available with a 3 litre turbo diesel.
> I was in Iceland a short time ago, and the Euro-spec Toyota trucks I
> saw there, along with the Nissan Patrol, etc... looked an awful lot
> like the North American spec stuff, only with a small diesel
> powerplant.
>
> If you don't believe me, Google out the "Top Gear" episode where they
> drive a Hilux to the North Pole.
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"Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
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> Some people really do _need_ Suburbans, Silverados, F150, 250, and
> 350's, Tundras, etc... Even E-series vans, 4x4 V6 Tacomas and
> Frontiers, etc... have uses.

Some do, but not the majority. I don't think we have seen the end of large
vehicles though. Large vehicles bring comfort. Vehicle companies are hard at
work making these vehicles evergy efficient.

>
> It's the Ridgelines, Avalanches, H2's, and the 24" wheeled Tahoes and
> quad cab, 5' bed F150's, Tacomas, Silverados that'll be gone.
>
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Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
> "Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
> <DwightSchrute RemoveThis @DunderMifflin.com> wrote in message
> news:dgib44t69s5r1jmsg6fiedqgkssiphqsne@4ax.com...
>> Some people really do _need_ Suburbans, Silverados, F150, 250, and
>> 350's, Tundras, etc... Even E-series vans, 4x4 V6 Tacomas and
>> Frontiers, etc... have uses.
>
> Some do, but not the majority. I don't think we have seen the end of large
> vehicles though. Large vehicles bring comfort. Vehicle companies are hard at
> work making these vehicles evergy efficient.
>
>> It's the Ridgelines, Avalanches, H2's, and the 24" wheeled Tahoes and
>> quad cab, 5' bed F150's, Tacomas, Silverados that'll be gone.

I think Valued might be right about the Hummers. However, the
Ridgelines, Tahoes, Quadcabs, etc., have uses that some people find
worth the price (including the fuel).

But more people will be buying cars than trucks for personal
transportation. Toyota, hwoever, makes a Toyora Tacoma that gets 25 mpg
highway, with a small engine and manual tranny.

Jeff
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <dgib44t69s5r1jmsg6fiedqgkssiphqsne DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> "Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
> <DwightSchrute DeleteThis @DunderMifflin.com> wrote:
>
>> It's the Ridgelines, Avalanches, H2's, and the 24" wheeled Tahoes and
>> quad cab, 5' bed F150's, Tacomas, Silverados that'll be gone.
>
> How dare you forget to mention the Escalade!

Don't forget the drug dealers, Hollywood types and Hollywood wannabes
will still buy the Escalade.

Jeff
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Mike hunt wrote:
> The 1991 date is for sales during ONE month back then when Toyota sold more
> as well. By the end of the model year is was a far different number.
> Ford has had the number one spot in ANNUAL sales, the one that counts, for
> thirty one years, since 1976

Gee, Ford seems to think that the May sales were important, too, as is
the trend of declining F series trucks.

Jeff

>
> <Steven Davis> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:54:03 -0400, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ford F series loses title as top-selling vehicle in May
>>>
>>> Richard Truett
>>> Automotive News
>>> June 3, 2008 - 2:17 pm ET
>>>
>>> The Ford F-150 pickup truck has been dethroned as America's favorite
>>> vehicle
>>> for the first time since 1991 -- by two Toyota sedans.
>>>
>>> According to preliminary sales figures released by automakers, Ford Motor
>>> Co. sold 42,973 F-series trucks in May, while Toyota Motor Corp. sold
>>> 52,826
>>> Corollas and 51,291 Camrys.
>>>
>>> The last time a car outsold the F series was October 1991.
>>>
>>> Jim Farley, Ford group vice president for marketing and communications,
>>> said
>>> the F series' loss to Toyota's cars was a "significant development."
>>>
>>> "But it's not surprising, given the fuel price," Farley said. "That's just
>>> a
>>> sign of the times. I think May has been a watershed month."
>>>
>>> Toyota said Corolla sales rose 12.4 percent in May, but were down 9.5
>>> percent for the first five months compared with the same period a year
>>> ago.
>>> Camry sales have been flat.
>>>
>>> A structural shift
>>>
>>> "The all-new Corolla really found its stride this month," Toyota Motor
>>> Sales
>>> President Jim Lentz said in a statement. "Launched amid soaring fuel
>>> prices
>>> and economic uncertainty, Corolla strikes a sweet spot for buyers seeking
>>> refinement in addition to fuel efficiency and affordability."
>>>
>>> Ford CEO Alan Mulally said the fact that cars are outselling trucks is
>>> further evidence that the industry is undergoing a change in consumer
>>> preference.
>>>
>>> "We really believe we are seeing a structural shift with the fuel prices
>>> going through the $3.40-to-$3.60" range. It's interesting that a lot of
>>> others are saying the same thing now," Mulally told reporters Monday, June
>>> 2, at a dinner in Washington.
>>>
>>> "So I think we're seeing a structural shift where, with the prices being
>>> high in the United States, we're seeing exactly what happened in Europe a
>>> number of years ago, where the customers are going to make economic
>>> decisions, and they're going to move toward smaller and medium-sized
>>> vehicles."
>>>
>>> Amy Wilson and Andrew Grossman contributed to this report.
>>>
>> You are comparing apples to oranges, please compare trucks to trucks.
>
>
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Actually, there are other big changes in the US market:

1) GM sold less than 10,000 more vehicles than Toyota. In other words,
Toyota sold almost as many vehicles as GM in the US.
2) GM is closing four plants that make trucks/SUVs.
3) Total GM sales down 28%.
4) Chrysler is in deep doo-doo, with truck sales down nearly 1/4 and car
sales around 1/3.
5) Toyota sales down 8%.
6) Honda had its best month ever in the US, with a 15.6% increase in sales.

Interesting month for car sales.

Jeff
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On Jun 3, 4:59 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun....DeleteThis@lycos.com> wrote:
> The 1991 date is for sales during ONE month back then when Toyota sold more
> as well.   By the end of the model year is was a far different number.
> Ford has had the number one spot in ANNUAL sales, the one that counts, for
> thirty one years, since 1976

Yes, and GM and Ford can do no wrong and their products are
consistently superior to anything from Japan or Europe. we know. Did
you have anything intelligent to contribute to the discussion?

nate
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On Jun 3, 4:53 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun....TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote:
> I wonder why Toyota is not listing the sales figures for the Tundra?

Probably because the trend is that trucks as a market segment are
universally in a decline.

nate
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"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <One187.TakeThisOut@NoWhere.Com> wrote in message
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>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:QLOdnZx7co_qIdjVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> Tundra incentives - up to $4500 and 0% interest
>> F150 incentives - up to $3500 or 0% interest
>
> Really? That's sad that Ford has to reach that far in a market that they
> have had a good grasp on.

The 150 is the oldest design truck on the market, so I suspect Ford is
pleased they have been able to hold on to the #1 spot in gthe truck market.

>>> The Tundra has done just fine in a market not intended for foreign
>>> companies.
>>
>> LOL...it has been an unmitigated disaster.
>
> Yet has made a profit for a company and created American jobs. The Tundra
> has gained 17 % of the truck market in a market it is not intended to gain
> in.

Toyota has wasted billions trying to buy market share. They should have
spent more time on the design and less time on misleading commercials. I
doubt there has been a net increase in American jobs. Ask the people who
used to work at the Ford truck plant in Norfolk if they think there was an
increase in the number of people building half ton trucks. Shifting jobs to
Texas is not the same as creating jobs. And since Toyota pays less and hires
many temps, it is likely the net effect on the US economy will be negative.

>> Turdra commercial runs almost continuosuly around here, they have more
>> incentives on them than any other truck
>
> Ford and Chevy and Toyota Truck commercials run continuously here in
> Dallas. Whats your point?

Here in NC I see more Tundra commercial than Ford and Chevy truck
commercials combined. And Toyota is practically ignoring its better truck
(the Tacoma) in ads. They are trying to make up for designing a loser truck
with advertising and incentives. The money would have been better spent
elsewhere.

>>> Which is why Toyota has not put as much investment into trucks. Yet they
>>> still managed to gain some money in the market.
>>
>> What planet to you live on? Billion of dollars down the drain. The
>> biggest thing they did was drive Nissan out of the full size truck
>> market.
>
> Selling 130 thousand Tundra's a year is burning money?

When you annoucne a understated sales target of 200,000 a year, build
capactiy to build twice that many, and then miss even the understated target
by 35%, yes that is burning money. Bad plannning, bad truck, wasted money.
The old Tundra was actually a better product. They only need to fix the
piston slap probems and improve the cab room and they would have had a truck
that was jsut about right for the half ton market. Instead they took all the
worst ideas from Ford, Chevy, and Dodge and rolled them up into an oversized
gas sucking pig.

It is sad that they built such a stupid truck.

Ed
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> "Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
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>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:17:40 -0400, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The monster Turdra is perhaps the worst thought out investment Toyota has
>>>made in 50 years.
>>
>> Unfortunately, it's a nice truck at a bad time.

More like a mediocre truck at a really bad time.

> I don't think C.E. White has ever been near one. He calls it a monster,
> yet it is really no larger than the other Trucks in its class, and while
> Toyota markets it as a fullsize, it is technically and officially a
> mid-size pick up.

Near one? I've driven one. And it is a pig. What do you mean by "officially
a mid-sized pick-up?" Go comapre it to the others in the class (F150,
Silverado 1500, Dodge Ram 1500) and get back to me.

> I think he is just rambling inane xenephobic blah blah...

I am just giving you my opinion. I liked the old Tundra. If the V-8 had been
better, and/or if the dealer had been willing to deal, I would have bought
one. I ended up with a Frontier instead.

>>>I'll bet the Toyota management in Japan wishes they could send some
>>>Ninjas
>>>over to clean out the idiots who convinced them to turn a reasonably
>>>sized
>>>truck into the bloated gas sucking pig they are stuck trying to sell with
>>>gas at $4. Oh well, at least they still have the Tacoma.
>>
>> The "gas sucking pig" Tundra gets ~ _1_ MPG less than my 4.0L Tacoma
>> in EPA tests, with greater capability.
>>
>>>How long before
>>>they start importing the smaller trucks they sell in other markets?
>>
>> Like the Hilux, A.K.A the current Tacoma?
>>
>> There are no "smaller" trucks sold to other markets. The only real
>> difference is that the Hilux is available with a 3 litre turbo diesel.
>> I was in Iceland a short time ago, and the Euro-spec Toyota trucks I
>> saw there, along with the Nissan Patrol, etc... looked an awful lot
>> like the North American spec stuff, only with a small diesel
>> powerplant.
>>
>> If you don't believe me, Google out the "Top Gear" episode where they
>> drive a Hilux to the North Pole.

While the Hilux has also grown, it is still not as large as the US
Tacoma.....2.4 inches narrower, 1.2 in shorter, etc. The Hilux specs are
from the UK web site
(http://www.toyota.co.uk/bv/CV/downloads/Hilux_specification.pdf ). I wish
they would offer the 3.0l diesel in the US.

Hilux (4 door cab)

Width 1835 mm = 72.2 in
Lenght 5255 mm = 206.9 in
Track 1540/1540 mm fr/rr =60.6 in
Wheelbase 3085 mm =121.5

Tacoma (4 door cab)

Width 74.6 in
Lenght 208.1 in
Track 63.0/63.4 fr/rr
Wheelbase 127.8 in

Ed
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, there are other big changes in the US market:
>
> 1) GM sold less than 10,000 more vehicles than Toyota. In other words,
> Toyota sold almost as many vehicles as GM in the US.
> 2) GM is closing four plants that make trucks/SUVs.
> 3) Total GM sales down 28%.
> 4) Chrysler is in deep doo-doo, with truck sales down nearly 1/4 and car
> sales around 1/3.
> 5) Toyota sales down 8%.
> 6) Honda had its best month ever in the US, with a 15.6% increase in
> sales.
>
> Interesting month for car sales.
>
> Jeff

Ford even had some good news as far as car slaes were concerned. Fusion,
Focus, and even the Taurus are doing OK. The Mustang is in the toilet
though. Overall Ford CAR sales were up in May. Of course a minor increase in
car sales could not offset a major decrease in ttruck sales.

However, overall, I would have to give Fords new CEO high marks. He amde
some tough decisions when he came on board, but for the most part they
appear to be the right ones. IMy farm is near the Norfolk Ford palnt that
was closed down. It was tough on the worker there, but clearly it was the
right move for Ford. I do wonder if Ford might reconsider the decision to
shut down the Ranger plant. Seems to me that truck might get new life with
current gas prices.

Ed

Ed
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:09:43 -0400, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>While the Hilux has also grown, it is still not as large as the US
>Tacoma.....2.4 inches narrower, 1.2 in shorter, etc. The Hilux specs are
>from the UK web site
>(http://www.toyota.co.uk/bv/CV/downloads/Hilux_specification.pdf ). I wish
>they would offer the 3.0l diesel in the US.
>
>Hilux (4 door cab)
>
>Width 1835 mm = 72.2 in
>Lenght 5255 mm = 206.9 in
>Track 1540/1540 mm fr/rr =60.6 in
>Wheelbase 3085 mm =121.5
>
>Tacoma (4 door cab)
>
>Width 74.6 in
>Lenght 208.1 in
>Track 63.0/63.4 fr/rr
>Wheelbase 127.8 in

Are you joking or trying to look like a maroon?

That "smaller" Hilux is still 4100+ pounds, just like the North
American Tacoma. I sat in one in Iceland.

2.4 inches narrower and 1.2 inches shorter? <G> Those are slightly
different body contours. The width is probably the plastic over
fenders that snap on.

I gotta' say it again... _1.2 INCHES_ SHORTER??? =8^)

Ed, know when to let it go! <G>
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In article <aNl1k.4934$Ev.3223@trndny09>, kidsdoc2000.RemoveThis@hotmail.com wrote:
>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article <dgib44t69s5r1jmsg6fiedqgkssiphqsne.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
>> "Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
>> <DwightSchrute.RemoveThis@DunderMifflin.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's the Ridgelines, Avalanches, H2's, and the 24" wheeled Tahoes and
>>> quad cab, 5' bed F150's, Tacomas, Silverados that'll be gone.
>>
>> How dare you forget to mention the Escalade!
>
>Don't forget the drug dealers, Hollywood types and Hollywood wannabes
>will still buy the Escalade.
>
>Jeff
i see a lot of them pulled over on I15 twix l.a. and vegas. apparently the
rich twats like to go 100mph and don't mind the huge fines.
i saw 3 pulled over in 160 miles.
no toyotas......
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