Follow up to Mustang Airbag Light

"AshtarSheran" wrote in message

>
> "mC" wrote in message
>
>> From my earlier post on 10/25...
>>
>> My mistake folks, what I took for flickering actually turned out to be a
>> code. It's a '12' code. Not ever having this issue before I just didn't
>> think this 93 would have a code associated to it. Guess the car is
>> smarter
>> than me
>>
>> I've since done a lot more research and found out the reason for the 12
>> code, but I'll be darned if I can't figure out how to reset it. All the
>> posts, etc say find the grey two wire connector behind the glovebox. I
>> don't have on. I have a black 2 wire connector but the wire colors on
>> the
>> internet don't match up with what I've got. I'll keep hunting, but if
>> someone has some more ideas I'd love to hear them cuz
>> this blinking light is driving me nuts!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> mC
>>
>> 93 5.0 LX
>
> codes are on the net somewhere (?) saw them once.
>
> wiring diagrams are on the net too. I have a set.
>
> Ford is notorious for putting identical things in different locations on
> productions 5.0s under the dash.
>
> I'll check my flickering to see if it is same over and over.

IT IS. except mine is doing 15 a flash of one, then a flash of 5 .

Anybody seen this ?
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"AshtarSheran" wrote in message

>
> "AshtarSheran" wrote in message
>
>>
>> "mC" wrote in message
>>
>>> From my earlier post on 10/25...
>>>
>>> My mistake folks, what I took for flickering actually turned out to be a
>>> code. It's a '12' code. Not ever having this issue before I just
>>> didn't
>>> think this 93 would have a code associated to it. Guess the car is
>>> smarter
>>> than me
>>>
>>> I've since done a lot more research and found out the reason for the 12
>>> code, but I'll be darned if I can't figure out how to reset it. All the
>>> posts, etc say find the grey two wire connector behind the glovebox. I
>>> don't have on. I have a black 2 wire connector but the wire colors on
>>> the
>>> internet don't match up with what I've got. I'll keep hunting, but if
>>> someone has some more ideas I'd love to hear them cuz
>>> this blinking light is driving me nuts!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> mC
>>>
>>> 93 5.0 LX
>>
>> codes are on the net somewhere (?) saw them once.
>>
>> wiring diagrams are on the net too. I have a set.
>>
>> Ford is notorious for putting identical things in different locations on
>> productions 5.0s under the dash.
>>
>> I'll check my flickering to see if it is same over and over.
>
> IT IS. except mine is doing 15 a flash of one, then a flash of 5 .
>
> Anybody seen this ?

https://www.fordmuscle.com/forums/all-ford-techboard/408386-91-mustang...r-bag-l

91 Mustang "Air bag" light flashes? whats wrong with it?

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It is flashing a code. (6)Driver-Side Air Bag Circuit - Open or High
Resistance. What you will probably need to get is a diagnostic flow chart
for that code. I found this info, I don't know if it will help. I have seen
the clock springs break before,it is common when a rack is replaced and the
column spins and tightens the spring:

: Code 6 and 32 refer to the Airbag Diagnostic Monitor sensing high
resistance in the airbag circuit. The resistance of the circuit is normally
around 2 ohms. The circuit consists of the harness from the Airbag
Diagnostic Monitor to the base of the steering column, a clockspring, and
related wiring inside the column and the airbag itself.

The problem is generally a broken clockspring. It replaces the old brush and
slip ring design that was more prone to developing high resistance due to
warping or grease buildup on the rings and wear of the brushes. The
clockspring is a wound circuit that can rotate with the wheel much like a
recoil spring in a lawn mower. It has a center position with a limited range
in either direction, usually 3-4 turns each way and like a recoil, is prone
to breaking.

Start the diagnosis by disconnecting the battery for a minimum of 10 minutes
to power down the system (or unhook the backup power supply if equipped) and
remove the airbag from the steering wheel, making sure to set it 'bag up' on
a flat stable surface.

Next install a 1- 2 ohm resistance across the steering wheel connector to
simulate the airbag

(1 ohm resistors are available at a local Radio Shack. For 2 ohms, simply
twist 2 in series). Reconnect the battery and check to see if the code
returns. NEVER DO ANY TESTING WITH THE AIRBAG IN PLACE.

91 Mustang "Air bag" light flashes? whats wrong with it?

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Hey be very carefull with them Iam a master tech and sir is one of the areas
I cover. Their again Iam a GM tech and love ford, how does that happen .
Anyways as long a you disconnect the battery you shoul be ok. But my advise
is to get a manual. Also I dont know as far a ford a concerned but alot of
times on GM when that high resistance code sets, for what ever reseason ,
its just a little corriosn build up in the driver side loop connector . Most
of the time all that has to be done is disconnect the connector and clean
the terminals and plug it back.You might want to try that first because it
cost 0 money try and plug it back reassemble everything and see if it
resets. If it does its something else , could be the coil(thats what GM
calls em)wiring or the inflator module (air bag).But if your not sure what
to do please get a service manual or pay some one to do it , because trust
me that air bag will hurt you if you F@#% up .Just the main thing is to
disconnect the battery just like someone else said.Now I maybe wrong and
fords are very differnt than GM but I cant amagine how much. Their system
are usually similar.The engineers are not really creative in detroit.Any
other questions I will try to answer. good luck!

lowside
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this is good too:

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/
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Hey folks,

More follow up from my Airbag adventure...

I've got a 93 LX 5.0 and from everything I've read, everythign I've seen, I
can't find this Red/Tan wire and Black wire on the Grey connector. I've
found the airbag blue electronics box, the grey connector but not the wire
colors as mentioned on the internet.

Anyone have any idea which Pins I should be shorting together?

This sucks... That damn light is going to get me to jump off a building

Thanks again!

mC

'93 LX 5.0


"mC" wrote in message

> From my earlier post on 10/25...
>
> My mistake folks, what I took for flickering actually turned out to be a
> code. It's a '12' code. Not ever having this issue before I just didn't
> think this 93 would have a code associated to it. Guess the car is
> smarter
> than me
>
> I've since done a lot more research and found out the reason for the 12
> code, but I'll be darned if I can't figure out how to reset it. All the
> posts, etc say find the grey two wire connector behind the glovebox. I
> don't have on. I have a black 2 wire connector but the wire colors on the
> internet don't match up with what I've got. I'll keep hunting, but if
> someone has some more ideas I'd love to hear them cuz
> this blinking light is driving me nuts!
>
> Thanks!
>
> mC
>
> 93 5.0 LX
>
>
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"mC" wrote in


> Hey folks,
>
> More follow up from my Airbag adventure...
>
> I've got a 93 LX 5.0 and from everything I've read, everythign I've
> seen, I can't find this Red/Tan wire and Black wire on the Grey
> connector. I've found the airbag blue electronics box, the grey
> connector but not the wire colors as mentioned on the internet.
>
> Anyone have any idea which Pins I should be shorting together?
>
> This sucks... That damn light is going to get me to jump off a
> building
>
> Thanks again!
>
> mC
>
> '93 LX 5.0
>
>
> "mC" wrote in message
>
>> From my earlier post on 10/25...
>>
>> My mistake folks, what I took for flickering actually turned out to
>> be a code. It's a '12' code. Not ever having this issue before I
>> just didn't think this 93 would have a code associated to it. Guess
>> the car is smarter
>> than me
>>
>> I've since done a lot more research and found out the reason for the
>> 12 code, but I'll be darned if I can't figure out how to reset it.
>> All the posts, etc say find the grey two wire connector behind the
>> glovebox. I don't have on. I have a black 2 wire connector but the
>> wire colors on the internet don't match up with what I've got. I'll
>> keep hunting, but if someone has some more ideas I'd love to hear
>> them cuz this blinking light is driving me nuts!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> mC
>>
>> 93 5.0 LX

Now why would you be shorting pins? If there's a problem because the
car's throwing a code, then find out what the code is and fix the
problem.
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It's a code 12 and from what I see, I had an additional fuse/wire piggy
backed for my XM radio in my fuse box. Some months after putting it in my
toe hooked the wire when pushing in the clutch and pulled the piggy backed
wire out of the fusebox. In rerouting and hooking up the wire I pulled the
airbag power fuse with the key on. From what I can tell this is what set
the 12 code. All the power is there and everything is hooked back up, so
now I just want to clear the code and see if I have another code (which I
shouldn't)



mC



"Joe" wrote in message

> "mC" wrote in
>
>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> More follow up from my Airbag adventure...
>>
>> I've got a 93 LX 5.0 and from everything I've read, everythign I've
>> seen, I can't find this Red/Tan wire and Black wire on the Grey
>> connector. I've found the airbag blue electronics box, the grey
>> connector but not the wire colors as mentioned on the internet.
>>
>> Anyone have any idea which Pins I should be shorting together?
>>
>> This sucks... That damn light is going to get me to jump off a
>> building
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> mC
>>
>> '93 LX 5.0
>>
>>
>> "mC" wrote in message
>>
>>> From my earlier post on 10/25...
>>>
>>> My mistake folks, what I took for flickering actually turned out to
>>> be a code. It's a '12' code. Not ever having this issue before I
>>> just didn't think this 93 would have a code associated to it. Guess
>>> the car is smarter
>>> than me
>>>
>>> I've since done a lot more research and found out the reason for the
>>> 12 code, but I'll be darned if I can't figure out how to reset it.
>>> All the posts, etc say find the grey two wire connector behind the
>>> glovebox. I don't have on. I have a black 2 wire connector but the
>>> wire colors on the internet don't match up with what I've got. I'll
>>> keep hunting, but if someone has some more ideas I'd love to hear
>>> them cuz this blinking light is driving me nuts!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> mC
>>>
>>> 93 5.0 LX
>
> Now why would you be shorting pins? If there's a problem because the
> car's throwing a code, then find out what the code is and fix the
> problem.
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"mC" wrote in


> It's a code 12 and from what I see, I had an additional fuse/wire
> piggy backed for my XM radio in my fuse box. Some months after
> putting it in my toe hooked the wire when pushing in the clutch and
> pulled the piggy backed wire out of the fusebox. In rerouting and
> hooking up the wire I pulled the airbag power fuse with the key on.
> From what I can tell this is what set the 12 code. All the power is
> there and everything is hooked back up, so now I just want to clear
> the code and see if I have another code (which I shouldn't)
>
>
>
> mC
>
>
>
> "Joe" wrote in message
>
>> "mC" wrote in
>>
>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> More follow up from my Airbag adventure...
>>>
>>> I've got a 93 LX 5.0 and from everything I've read, everythign I've
>>> seen, I can't find this Red/Tan wire and Black wire on the Grey
>>> connector. I've found the airbag blue electronics box, the grey
>>> connector but not the wire colors as mentioned on the internet.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any idea which Pins I should be shorting together?
>>>
>>> This sucks... That damn light is going to get me to jump off a
>>> building
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>>
>>> mC
>>>
>>> '93 LX 5.0
>>>
>>>
>>> "mC" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> From my earlier post on 10/25...
>>>>
>>>> My mistake folks, what I took for flickering actually turned out to
>>>> be a code. It's a '12' code. Not ever having this issue before I
>>>> just didn't think this 93 would have a code associated to it.
>>>> Guess the car is smarter
>>>> than me
>>>>
>>>> I've since done a lot more research and found out the reason for
>>>> the 12 code, but I'll be darned if I can't figure out how to reset
>>>> it. All the posts, etc say find the grey two wire connector behind
>>>> the glovebox. I don't have on. I have a black 2 wire connector
>>>> but the wire colors on the internet don't match up with what I've
>>>> got. I'll keep hunting, but if someone has some more ideas I'd
>>>> love to hear them cuz this blinking light is driving me nuts!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> mC
>>>>
>>>> 93 5.0 LX
>>
>> Now why would you be shorting pins? If there's a problem because the
>> car's throwing a code, then find out what the code is and fix the
>> problem.

On a '93, disconnecting the battery for a while should clear codes. The
car's not that smart. That said, piggybacking wiring isn't the best
thing to do in the first place.
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Joe,

Quite the contrary, disconnecting the power does not remedy this situation.
I'd agree that after owning this car for the last 11 years that it's not
that smart, but apparently it's smart enough not to lose it's code.

I pulled the power for about two hours while working around the airbag
module. Getting it out, looking over the grey connector, looking for
details on this infamous Tan/Red wire and working off some instructions
supplied to me by another Mustang fan.

As for the piggy back situation, I needed an additional keyed power option
for my XM Radio setup and putting in a dual fuse holder made sense and was
easy to do when needing an additional 2A circuit. It just didn't make a lot
of sense getting in and adding a bunch of wiring, etc. Sometimes simple
makes sense.

mC


"Joe" wrote in message

> "mC" wrote in
>
>
>> It's a code 12 and from what I see, I had an additional fuse/wire
>> piggy backed for my XM radio in my fuse box. Some months after
>> putting it in my toe hooked the wire when pushing in the clutch and
>> pulled the piggy backed wire out of the fusebox. In rerouting and
>> hooking up the wire I pulled the airbag power fuse with the key on.
>> From what I can tell this is what set the 12 code. All the power is
>> there and everything is hooked back up, so now I just want to clear
>> the code and see if I have another code (which I shouldn't)
>>
>>
>>
>> mC
>>
>>
>>
>> "Joe" wrote in message
>>
>>> "mC" wrote in
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>
>>>> More follow up from my Airbag adventure...
>>>>
>>>> I've got a 93 LX 5.0 and from everything I've read, everythign I've
>>>> seen, I can't find this Red/Tan wire and Black wire on the Grey
>>>> connector. I've found the airbag blue electronics box, the grey
>>>> connector but not the wire colors as mentioned on the internet.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any idea which Pins I should be shorting together?
>>>>
>>>> This sucks... That damn light is going to get me to jump off a
>>>> building
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again!
>>>>
>>>> mC
>>>>
>>>> '93 LX 5.0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "mC" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> From my earlier post on 10/25...
>>>>>
>>>>> My mistake folks, what I took for flickering actually turned out to
>>>>> be a code. It's a '12' code. Not ever having this issue before I
>>>>> just didn't think this 93 would have a code associated to it.
>>>>> Guess the car is smarter
>>>>> than me
>>>>>
>>>>> I've since done a lot more research and found out the reason for
>>>>> the 12 code, but I'll be darned if I can't figure out how to reset
>>>>> it. All the posts, etc say find the grey two wire connector behind
>>>>> the glovebox. I don't have on. I have a black 2 wire connector
>>>>> but the wire colors on the internet don't match up with what I've
>>>>> got. I'll keep hunting, but if someone has some more ideas I'd
>>>>> love to hear them cuz this blinking light is driving me nuts!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> mC
>>>>>
>>>>> 93 5.0 LX
>>>
>>> Now why would you be shorting pins? If there's a problem because the
>>> car's throwing a code, then find out what the code is and fix the
>>> problem.
>
> On a '93, disconnecting the battery for a while should clear codes. The
> car's not that smart. That said, piggybacking wiring isn't the best
> thing to do in the first place.
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"mC" wrote in


> Joe,
>
> Quite the contrary, disconnecting the power does not remedy this
> situation. I'd agree that after owning this car for the last 11 years
> that it's not that smart, but apparently it's smart enough not to lose
> it's code.

If the code's still there after disconnecting the battery for a while
and reconnecting it, you probably still have an issue.


> I pulled the power for about two hours while working around the airbag
> module. Getting it out, looking over the grey connector, looking for
> details on this infamous Tan/Red wire and working off some
> instructions supplied to me by another Mustang fan.

I still don't get why you want to short out pins and play with the
wiring, but code 12 indicates no power to the air bag firing circuit.
Here's a link ('92 and '93 are basically the same):
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/airBag/airBag92.html

I'd suggest replacing the air bag module (junkyard or aftermarket) and
making sure all your wiring is standard OEM (no jury rigging). If you
don't do that you'll most likely continue to have problems.

I had the same problem on my '93 a while back (original owner, had car
for 15 years) and doing what I outlined above permanently fixed my
problem.


> As for the piggy back situation, I needed an additional keyed power
> option for my XM Radio setup and putting in a dual fuse holder made
> sense and was easy to do when needing an additional 2A circuit. It
> just didn't make a lot of sense getting in and adding a bunch of
> wiring, etc. Sometimes simple makes sense.
>
> mC

If you have an aftermarket radio (just guessing here), you should've
hooked the XM thing to the powered circuit on the radio and avoided the
fuse box entirely.


> "Joe" wrote in message
>
>> "mC" wrote in
>>
>>
>>> It's a code 12 and from what I see, I had an additional fuse/wire
>>> piggy backed for my XM radio in my fuse box. Some months after
>>> putting it in my toe hooked the wire when pushing in the clutch and
>>> pulled the piggy backed wire out of the fusebox. In rerouting and
>>> hooking up the wire I pulled the airbag power fuse with the key on.
>>> From what I can tell this is what set the 12 code. All the power is
>>> there and everything is hooked back up, so now I just want to clear
>>> the code and see if I have another code (which I shouldn't)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Joe" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "mC" wrote in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> More follow up from my Airbag adventure...
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a 93 LX 5.0 and from everything I've read, everythign
>>>>> I've seen, I can't find this Red/Tan wire and Black wire on the
>>>>> Grey connector. I've found the airbag blue electronics box, the
>>>>> grey connector but not the wire colors as mentioned on the
>>>>> internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have any idea which Pins I should be shorting together?
>>>>>
>>>>> This sucks... That damn light is going to get me to jump off a
>>>>> building
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again!
>>>>>
>>>>> mC
>>>>>
>>>>> '93 LX 5.0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "mC" wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> From my earlier post on 10/25...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My mistake folks, what I took for flickering actually turned out
>>>>>> to be a code. It's a '12' code. Not ever having this issue
>>>>>> before I just didn't think this 93 would have a code associated
>>>>>> to it. Guess the car is smarter
>>>>>> than me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've since done a lot more research and found out the reason for
>>>>>> the 12 code, but I'll be darned if I can't figure out how to
>>>>>> reset it. All the posts, etc say find the grey two wire connector
>>>>>> behind the glovebox. I don't have on. I have a black 2 wire
>>>>>> connector but the wire colors on the internet don't match up with
>>>>>> what I've got. I'll keep hunting, but if someone has some more
>>>>>> ideas I'd love to hear them cuz this blinking light is driving me
>>>>>> nuts!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 93 5.0 LX
>>>>
>>>> Now why would you be shorting pins? If there's a problem because
>>>> the car's throwing a code, then find out what the code is and fix
>>>> the problem.
>>
>> On a '93, disconnecting the battery for a while should clear codes.
>> The car's not that smart. That said, piggybacking wiring isn't the
>> best thing to do in the first place.
>
>
>
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