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Since: Sep 19, 2006 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:51 pm
Post subject: Mitsubishi Endeavor Has Bad Paint Archived from groups: alt>autos>mitsubishi (more info?)
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I have a black 2004 Endeavor XLS ... at present, it is less than 3
years old. I noticed a couple of months ago that the paint is
deteriorating rapidly on surfaces that are most exposed to sunlight.
I contacted the Service Department and pretty much got the run-around
for about a month. I finally used the dealership's online web email to
send the a message - I got a call from the IT Department a few days
later.
I spoke to the person in the Body Shop and scheduled an appointment to
have pictures taken. When I arrived, there was another black 2004
Endeavor in the shop with exactly the same paint problems. They told
me Mitsubishi was going to pay for that one, so I guess it had lower
miles - I drive about 600 miles per week, so I've got some miles on
mine, but what does that have to do with paint quality?
The Body Shop Manager and the Service Manager told me that it is a
standing policy at Mitsubishi Motors to intentionally thin the
clear-coat on their automobiles in an attempt to save money up front.
I asked if they are still doing that, and I was told that in fact they
are ... 2000 to 2006 models are still being thinned on the clear-coat.
They said they see people bringing vehicles in all the time - for years
- with the same old problems. Most of the time (to Mitsubishi's favor)
the cars have too many miles on them, by their calculations, and thus,
are not covered. Presto! Mitsubishi has saved no telling how much
money on clear-coat, and the consumer just eats it!
The paint has premature aging and turns a white color ... rapidly
spreading. I was told that the Factory has been 'tweaking' this for a
few years, changing paint vendors, etc., and in my opinion, it seems
that they are attempting to achive a thinning mixture that will start
going bad right about the time the warrantee runs out.
I've been told that Mitsubishi Warrantee is most likely not going to
address my paint problem. Insurance says that is not covered ... so I
have a 3 year old vehicle (bought new) for $550/mo and it looks like it
is about 8 years old and neglected.
Take a look around on the roads ... see what you find. I am now stuck
with this vehicle for who knows how long ... I cannot sell it, cannot
trade it, no one will have it. The value has dropped through the
floor.
I would NOT recommend buying ANY Mitsubishi product now knowing what I
do. People need to speak up now and start documenting this fraudulant
behavior. Consumers buy a car thinking the paint is good - no matter
how much you garage keep it and wax it, it is a matter of time.
I know there are many more people out there with this exact problem. I
see them in the Body Shop ... I see them on the roads ... and the
Dealership (for crying out loud) has even spilled a bag-of-beans on the
whole scheme!
DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY! The Dealership is taking my calls and are
polite, but they say they just sell the cars - it is the Factory's
problem. I'd like to see a class action lawsuit slapped on them for
their intentional defrauding of the consumer.
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Since: May 12, 2006 Posts: 12
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:50 am
Post subject: Re: Mitsubishi Endeavor Has Bad Paint [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Aerospace NDE wrote:
> I have a black 2004 Endeavor XLS ... at present, it is less than 3
> years old. I noticed a couple of months ago that the paint is
> deteriorating rapidly on surfaces that are most exposed to sunlight.
>
> I contacted the Service Department and pretty much got the run-around
> for about a month. I finally used the dealership's online web email to
> send the a message - I got a call from the IT Department a few days
> later.
>
> I spoke to the person in the Body Shop and scheduled an appointment to
> have pictures taken. When I arrived, there was another black 2004
> Endeavor in the shop with exactly the same paint problems. They told
> me Mitsubishi was going to pay for that one, so I guess it had lower
> miles - I drive about 600 miles per week, so I've got some miles on
> mine, but what does that have to do with paint quality?
>
> The Body Shop Manager and the Service Manager told me that it is a
> standing policy at Mitsubishi Motors to intentionally thin the
> clear-coat on their automobiles in an attempt to save money up front.
> I asked if they are still doing that, and I was told that in fact they
> are ... 2000 to 2006 models are still being thinned on the clear-coat.
> They said they see people bringing vehicles in all the time - for years
> - with the same old problems. Most of the time (to Mitsubishi's favor)
> the cars have too many miles on them, by their calculations, and thus,
> are not covered. Presto! Mitsubishi has saved no telling how much
> money on clear-coat, and the consumer just eats it!
>
> The paint has premature aging and turns a white color ... rapidly
> spreading. I was told that the Factory has been 'tweaking' this for a
> few years, changing paint vendors, etc., and in my opinion, it seems
> that they are attempting to achive a thinning mixture that will start
> going bad right about the time the warrantee runs out.
>
> I've been told that Mitsubishi Warrantee is most likely not going to
> address my paint problem. Insurance says that is not covered ... so I
> have a 3 year old vehicle (bought new) for $550/mo and it looks like it
> is about 8 years old and neglected.
>
> Take a look around on the roads ... see what you find. I am now stuck
> with this vehicle for who knows how long ... I cannot sell it, cannot
> trade it, no one will have it. The value has dropped through the
> floor.
>
> I would NOT recommend buying ANY Mitsubishi product now knowing what I
> do. People need to speak up now and start documenting this fraudulant
> behavior. Consumers buy a car thinking the paint is good - no matter
> how much you garage keep it and wax it, it is a matter of time.
>
> I know there are many more people out there with this exact problem. I
> see them in the Body Shop ... I see them on the roads ... and the
> Dealership (for crying out loud) has even spilled a bag-of-beans on the
> whole scheme!
>
> DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY! The Dealership is taking my calls and are
> polite, but they say they just sell the cars - it is the Factory's
> problem. I'd like to see a class action lawsuit slapped on them for
> their intentional defrauding of the consumer.
>
> Post here if you have similar problems with Mitsubishi paint problems.
I was talking to a guy at work tonight with the same problem on an '03
Eclipse but he never said if he'd tried to deal with anyone about it.
I don't even know if he bought it new. What a coincidense he mentinons
it the same night you post. He said he'd seen plenty of black mitsus
with the same prob.
Regards,
Chance >> Stay informed about: Mitsubishi Endeavor Has Bad Paint |
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Since: Sep 19, 2006 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Mitsubishi Endeavor Has Bad Paint [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Hi, Chance -
That is kind of funny that you guys were talking about the same thing
at work ... I stopped by a body shop this morning and they could not
believe the paint on my SUV. His trained eye pointed out some more
areas where the paint is soon to go bad.
He would not even give me a quote to paint it - he said it was too much
of a risk for him ... could have a bad substrate, he said.
I have a friend who owns a body shop and he told me the same thing.
They would have to scrape it down, and it would be a ton of work. He
said it could run somewhere between $3000 - $4000. One other shop told
me a ballpark figure of $3,200, unless there were substrate issues.
What a mess! I hope some other people post about their paint problems
....
Jeff
>Chance wrote:
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> I was talking to a guy at work tonight with the same problem on an '03
> Eclipse but he never said if he'd tried to deal with anyone about it.
> I don't even know if he bought it new. What a coincidense he mentinons
> it the same night you post. He said he'd seen plenty of black mitsus
> with the same prob.
>
> Regards,
> Chance >> Stay informed about: Mitsubishi Endeavor Has Bad Paint |
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Since: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:55 am
Post subject: Re: Mitsubishi Endeavor Has Bad Paint [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Aerospace NDE" wrote in
> Hi, Chance -
>
> That is kind of funny that you guys were talking about the
> same thing at work ... I stopped by a body shop this
> morning and they could not believe the paint on my SUV.
> His trained eye pointed out some more areas where the paint
> is soon to go bad.
>
> He would not even give me a quote to paint it - he said it
> was too much of a risk for him ... could have a bad
> substrate, he said.
>
> I have a friend who owns a body shop and he told me the
> same thing. They would have to scrape it down, and it would
> be a ton of work. He said it could run somewhere between
> $3000 - $4000. One other shop told me a ballpark figure of
> $3,200, unless there were substrate issues.
>
> What a mess! I hope some other people post about their
> paint problems ...
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>>Chance wrote:
>>
>> I was talking to a guy at work tonight with the same
>> problem on an '03 Eclipse but he never said if he'd tried
>> to deal with anyone about it. I don't even know if he
>> bought it new. What a coincidense he mentinons it the
>> same night you post. He said he'd seen plenty of black
>> mitsus with the same prob.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chance
>
>
I'm not sure you could single out Mitsu.
I've seen similar paint problems on Toyotas, Fords and
Chryslers.
As well as saving money on clear coats, bear in mind that the
governments of the world are cracking down on VOC solvent
paints. All the good stuff that went into hard durable
paints, is now or soon will be, banned.
OEM's need to get their VOC solvents down to new government
standards. If you use less paint, there's less dangerous
chemicals in the air. >> Stay informed about: Mitsubishi Endeavor Has Bad Paint |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:30 pm
Post subject: Re: Mitsubishi Endeavor Has Bad Paint [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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My 97 eclipse hat has been waxed EVERY month with quality car wax has the
same issues.
The hood went first (heat) clearcoat got rough then developed spiderweb
looking white and ashy patch that is about the size of a football. Multiple
other patches showed up in similar fashon on favious top side spots (rear
fin, hatch lid, roof, etc).
My car had 160K miles on it so it only worth a few thousand and definately
not worth a 2-3K dollar paint job.
I'm stuck looking at a Maacos type place just to have it look decent at
10-20 feet away. Believe me I know the reputation of Maacos so I'll be
doing the prop work myself. >> Stay informed about: Mitsubishi Endeavor Has Bad Paint |
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