Element

Total payload capacity is very small. bob

MD wrote:
>
> "bob" <bob DeleteThis @me.com> wrote in message
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> > The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
> > about it.?
> >
> > Bob
> >
> I thought so too until I got inside one.
>
> I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> room.
>
> Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
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In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>, bob
<bob.DeleteThis@me.com> wrote:

> The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
> about it.?
>
> Bob

Bob,
Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
vehicles share.
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"T. Nelson" <tnelson.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>, bob
> <bob.DeleteThis@me.com> wrote:
>
> > The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
> > about it.?
> >
> > Bob
>
> Bob,
> Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> vehicles share.

It's "lower profile" than the Pilot.

Please buy a clue before posting such blather.
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Bob, most people lack intelligence to provide responses one can use. I'm
6'2" 250lbs, I FIT GREAT, PLENTY OF ROOM. First, depending on what your
needs are, the Element is great for hauling stuff around and for pet's. If
you aren't in need of the carrying space (roughly with rear seats up
44"X72") then yes I would go with the CRV. It handles great in snow and
rain, holds the road rock solid and compared to our outback
quieter........... and a great sound system too

The only thing I don't like is........... The lack of storage in the front
seat area there is no usable center-console, tiny glove compartment and that
is my only complaint. If safety is an issue get a Mercedes, if carrying
capacity then I'd recommend a pickup, but for one all around kick-ass
car..... The Element!
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In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>, bob
<bob DeleteThis @me.com> wrote:

> The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
> about it.?
>
> Bob

Bob,
Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
vehicles share.

>>>><<<<<
It's very apparent you know nothing about either the Element or the Scion,
The Scion if anything would compete with the Mini-Cooper..........

Ignorance is Bliss
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:40:16 GMT, "MOS 1369" <moo RemoveThis @moo.com> wrote:

>Bob, most people lack intelligence to provide responses one can use.

That's a little harsh I think.

Element elicits such immediate love-it/hate-it responses- no middle
ground or in-between. And most of the comments on this group regarding
the Element are obviously from the latter crowd. People that will
harp on the paper figures like questionable payload capacity- but
don't have any real experience with the vehicle outside of a test
drive or a showroom look.

Bob should get on the boards at hondasuv.com or elementownersclub.com
if he wants some useful opinions on the car.

I've owned mine for over a year now and put just under 20K miles on
it. I've been mostly pleased with the peformance and economy. (25MPG,
325mi per tankful) Part of me still wishes a V-6 was under the hood-
but a V6 in any SUV would have raised the price above 22-25K.

Space is more than ample for most tasks, but I would be hesitant of
making the Element a primary family car. Suicide doors are neat, but
are still a PITA after a year. I've hauled way in excess of the 675lb
limit that most people here harp about. I've had myself and three
good-sized adults in the car on commutes and long trips. I've helped
two people move. (the removable backseats are truly a godsend) Not
once did I ever have a problem with the handling. Not once did the car
feel unstable- loaded or not. I'm 6'1"; 290lbs, and I fit in the front
seat fine. (I did have to recline the seat a bit to view the
instrument cluster clearly)

Element is functionally a pick up truck for people that don't like
pick-up trucks. That's basically why I bought it- it was my first
SUV.... But it's not the car for everyone- let alone the average SUV
shopper.

--
Sat
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>Bob, most people lack intelligence to provide responses one can use.

That's a little harsh I think



No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
don't get an honest answer. They get what ever spews from the diapers of
these "folks".I think that "someone" has created an air of superiority for
those gifted with ignorance...... If he can run a country, then dang, I must
be briliant two!

Democracy Dies with Political Lies!
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"MOS 1369" <moo DeleteThis @moo.com> wrote in message
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> >Bob, most people lack intelligence to provide responses one can use.
>
> That's a little harsh I think
>
>
>
> No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> don't get an honest answer.

I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
honestly.

Just an absence of fear of critique.
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> No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> don't get an honest answer.

I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
honestly.

Just an absence of fear of critique.



It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight informative
answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
so now then ever before.

The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
SUV.Any feedback about it.?"

The Answers:
> I thought so too until I got inside one.
> I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.

Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
then this guy. They used to call me "legs"

> Bob,
> Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> vehicles share.

For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
just more luxury comfortable.
Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
another ignorant opinion.
Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
Scion.....
and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of knowledge
about physics and centers of gravity prevail.

I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!
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"MOS 1369" <moo RemoveThis @moo.com> wrote in message
news:ktn%b.5328$f61.3385@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> > unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> > don't get an honest answer.
>
> I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
> honestly.
>
> Just an absence of fear of critique.
>
>
>
> It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
> the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight
informative
> answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
> always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
> dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
> hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
> intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
> so now then ever before.
>
> The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
> SUV.Any feedback about it.?"
>
> The Answers:
> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
> then this guy. They used to call me "legs"

Uh-huh.
So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
Why is yours more relevant that his?

> > Bob,
> > Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> > vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> > possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> > Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> > high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> > vehicles share.
>
> For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
> just more luxury comfortable.
> Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
> another ignorant opinion.
> Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
> Scion.....
> and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of
knowledge
> about physics and centers of gravity prevail.
>
> I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!

Well, the second one is Bill, and yes, he's an idiot.

The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
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In article <ok0q30pcanci25e0ttiio3bs7mijf95ecj.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Saturn S. Padua
<calculon.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:40:16 GMT, "MOS 1369" <moo.TakeThisOut@moo.com> wrote:
>
> >Bob, most people lack intelligence to provide responses one can use.
>
> That's a little harsh I think.
>
> Element elicits such immediate love-it/hate-it responses- no middle
> ground or in-between. And most of the comments on this group regarding
> the Element are obviously from the latter crowd. People that will
> harp on the paper figures like questionable payload capacity- but
> don't have any real experience with the vehicle outside of a test
> drive or a showroom look.
>
> Bob should get on the boards at hondasuv.com or elementownersclub.com
> if he wants some useful opinions on the car.
>
> I've owned mine for over a year now and put just under 20K miles on
> it. I've been mostly pleased with the peformance and economy. (25MPG,
> 325mi per tankful) Part of me still wishes a V-6 was under the hood-
> but a V6 in any SUV would have raised the price above 22-25K.
>
> Space is more than ample for most tasks, but I would be hesitant of
> making the Element a primary family car. Suicide doors are neat, but
> are still a PITA after a year. I've hauled way in excess of the 675lb
> limit that most people here harp about. I've had myself and three
> good-sized adults in the car on commutes and long trips. I've helped
> two people move. (the removable backseats are truly a godsend) Not
> once did I ever have a problem with the handling. Not once did the car
> feel unstable- loaded or not. I'm 6'1"; 290lbs, and I fit in the front
> seat fine. (I did have to recline the seat a bit to view the
> instrument cluster clearly)
>
> Element is functionally a pick up truck for people that don't like
> pick-up trucks. That's basically why I bought it- it was my first
> SUV.... But it's not the car for everyone- let alone the average SUV
> shopper.
>
> --
> Sat

Thanks for a well written intelligent response. Your way of responding is
far superior to ad hominem attacks.
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> The Answers:
> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.

So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
Why is yours more relevant that his?

The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.


You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

I would also add I have plenty of head room. The seats in the CR-V are
softer and more comfortable then in the Element. I would also state that
with the configuration of the rear doors odd as they may seem work fine for
placing very large items into the area behind the front seats. Packages that
could never fit in most other vehicles including the CR-V.

He would certainly have to explain himself and his lack of leg room ... and
since he had not responded to my early response, I suspect he was providing
a very limited unfounded opinion.


Amend the U.S. Constitution to add "FREEDOM"
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On 2/26/2004 9:12 AM MOS 1369 spake these words of knowledge:

>> The Answers:
>> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
>> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
>> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?
>
> Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
> Why is yours more relevant that his?
>
> The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
>
>
> You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
> understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
> fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
> hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
> way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
> lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
> could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
> positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
> since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
with both.

It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
spiteful or other reason.

It seems to me you'd be a lot more believable if you gave your opinion
without telling folks (or implying) that the people who disagree with
you are lying.

But then this is usenet, and we can all do whatever we want.

As for me, I'm 6'2", 280 lbs, and I fit fine in the Civic I tried out,
the Accord I bought last year, and the Odyssey I bought in 2000. I've
never been in an Element or a CRV.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
The universe is a big place... perhaps the biggest.
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