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Gudmundur

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Since: Oct 05, 2006
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:42 am
Post subject: Electric fan question for street rod,,
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Hi folks,

I recently took off my belt driven fan and went to an
electric fan mounted directly on the radiator. It's a
puller type. The power to the control circuit is always
on and I like the fact that the fan runs for a while
after I shut the engine off.

Here is what I see as a problem, and I am looking for
input,

Let's say I start up cold and decide to idle the engine
while hooking up to my trailer. The fan is not running
and there is No air moving under the hood. The heat load
under the hood from the headers is incredible, and even
the heat radiated from the heads and block becomes intense
after 5 minutes.

Would you go with a 'fan over-ride' switch to force the fan
on in this situation? I was thinking something like a dash
mounted toggle switch. My '97 Freightliner had such a thing
right from the factory. I was thinking maybe a thermal
switch to sense ambient underhood temperature that would
come on at 140 to 150 degrees.

Maybe just putting a very very small fan back on the water
pump would be a good thing?

Anyone have any ideas? (Remove the fenders!! hehehe)

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Eugene Blanchard

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:33 am
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The fan override switch is a good idea. Just make sure that you have an
indicator light with it. It would be the simplest solution.

Gudmundur wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I recently took off my belt driven fan and went to an
> electric fan mounted directly on the radiator. It's a
> puller type. The power to the control circuit is always
> on and I like the fact that the fan runs for a while
> after I shut the engine off.
>
> Here is what I see as a problem, and I am looking for
> input,
>
> Let's say I start up cold and decide to idle the engine
> while hooking up to my trailer. The fan is not running
> and there is No air moving under the hood. The heat load
> under the hood from the headers is incredible, and even
> the heat radiated from the heads and block becomes intense
> after 5 minutes.
>
> Would you go with a 'fan over-ride' switch to force the fan
> on in this situation? I was thinking something like a dash
> mounted toggle switch. My '97 Freightliner had such a thing
> right from the factory. I was thinking maybe a thermal
> switch to sense ambient underhood temperature that would
> come on at 140 to 150 degrees.
>
> Maybe just putting a very very small fan back on the water
> pump would be a good thing?
>
> Anyone have any ideas? (Remove the fenders!! hehehe)

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djdave

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Since: May 09, 2006
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:52 am
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If your rod has AC just wire it up so fan comes on with ac/defrost no
matter what, then when hookin up, put ac or defrost on.
No ac, well, my next move would be a lower temp. sensor that is
controlling your fan, and if that didnt work, I would try moving the
sensor closer to the heat, if possible.


On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:42:31 -0500, hexter.DeleteThis@blazenet.net (Gudmundur)
wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I recently took off my belt driven fan and went to an
>electric fan mounted directly on the radiator. It's a
>puller type. The power to the control circuit is always
>on and I like the fact that the fan runs for a while
>after I shut the engine off.
>
> Here is what I see as a problem, and I am looking for
>input,
>
> Let's say I start up cold and decide to idle the engine
>while hooking up to my trailer. The fan is not running
>and there is No air moving under the hood. The heat load
>under the hood from the headers is incredible, and even
>the heat radiated from the heads and block becomes intense
>after 5 minutes.
>
> Would you go with a 'fan over-ride' switch to force the fan
>on in this situation? I was thinking something like a dash
>mounted toggle switch. My '97 Freightliner had such a thing
>right from the factory. I was thinking maybe a thermal
>switch to sense ambient underhood temperature that would
>come on at 140 to 150 degrees.
>
> Maybe just putting a very very small fan back on the water
>pump would be a good thing?
>
> Anyone have any ideas? (Remove the fenders!! hehehe)
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James Drinkwater

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Since: Oct 16, 2006
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:44 am
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Done this twice over the last year. Neither vehicle has A/C so that
doesn't enter my equation but could be a solution you like. Here's my
input.
1) computer-controlled fuel injection: I didn't like that the computer
pushed me well over 200deg, so, I used a thermal switch (grounds the fan) at
a preset temp. I then hooked up a three-way toggle that let's me set to a.
computer-controlled high temp for highway/winter; b. thermal switch lower
temp for traffic/summer; and c. ground for overriding and always-on.
2) old-school carburetion: Got a Hayden adjustable, thermal switch.
My other observations:
-Make sure the thermostat/fan switch don't conflict. Basically, if the
switch comes on at 185 and off at 170, a 195deg thermostat will never let
the fan cycle. Just do the math and find your happy medium that'll agree
with the computer if you have one.
-I like sensors that install in the cylinder head (stop snickering).
They'll better represent the true temp. Installing lower in the block
doesn't reflect the temp I'm concerned with. I don't trust the fin probes
since they just stick external to the radiator (not the temp I'm concerned
with). Last, I'd never use one of the probes that gets stuck into a
radiator hose. How could I trust that to seal?
-An electric puller fan and a belt-driven fan probably won't fit and defeats
the purpose. I assume you have a single fan. If you had a dual fan, you
could get two switching methods. Otherwise, you could get fancy with
another pusher (not my first choice).
The only other thing I'd say is that I don't really like the underhood
thermal switch idea (just my opinion) because of the thermal map and other
stuff.
Drink
"djdave" <noname.DeleteThis@fake.com> wrote in message
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>
> If your rod has AC just wire it up so fan comes on with ac/defrost no
> matter what, then when hookin up, put ac or defrost on.
> No ac, well, my next move would be a lower temp. sensor that is
> controlling your fan, and if that didnt work, I would try moving the
> sensor closer to the heat, if possible.
>
>
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:42:31 -0500, hexter.DeleteThis@blazenet.net (Gudmundur)
> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I recently took off my belt driven fan and went to an
>>electric fan mounted directly on the radiator. It's a
>>puller type. The power to the control circuit is always
>>on and I like the fact that the fan runs for a while
>>after I shut the engine off.
>>
>> Here is what I see as a problem, and I am looking for
>>input,
>>
>> Let's say I start up cold and decide to idle the engine
>>while hooking up to my trailer. The fan is not running
>>and there is No air moving under the hood. The heat load
>>under the hood from the headers is incredible, and even
>>the heat radiated from the heads and block becomes intense
>>after 5 minutes.
>>
>> Would you go with a 'fan over-ride' switch to force the fan
>>on in this situation? I was thinking something like a dash
>>mounted toggle switch. My '97 Freightliner had such a thing
>>right from the factory. I was thinking maybe a thermal
>>switch to sense ambient underhood temperature that would
>>come on at 140 to 150 degrees.
>>
>> Maybe just putting a very very small fan back on the water
>>pump would be a good thing?
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas? (Remove the fenders!! hehehe)
>
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