Value of an El Camino rustbucket?

On 21 Apr 2007 04:35:59 -0700, Zip <zipcin.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>I'm a first-time visitor, not a classic truck owner - but am trying to
>research a problem I hope someone here can help with.
>
>I"m trying to solve a neighborhood eyesore - a rusty El Camino that
>probably belongs in a scrapyard. It has spent a few years parked
>outside in New England. It evidently is just operational enough to
>move across the street once a year when the snow parking side-of-
>street rules change (a neighbor who witnessed that event this year
>said the engine noise was deafening).
>
>So here's my question - since I'm trying to resolve this nasty issue
>peaceably: if you ran across such a heap, what would be a reasonable
>offer for it? I realize I don't have a lot of details, but hope I've
>provided enough info for a SWAG estimate.
>
>Zip

Since you are trying ot opress your neighbor, I'd guess it is worth
whatever you have to pay for it... Don't you have anything better to
do with your life than causing problems for the rest of the world?

Go over and offer to buy it, say "How much?" He'll tell you. Pay it,
then junk it.
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On 21 Apr 2007 06:28:46 -0700, Zip <zipcin.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 21, 8:29 am, PeterD <pet....RemoveThis@hipson.net> wrote:
>> On 21 Apr 2007 04:35:59 -0700, Zip <zip....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Hello all,
>>
>> >I'm a first-time visitor, not a classic truck owner - but am trying to
>> >research a problem I hope someone here can help with.
>>
>> >I"m trying to solve a neighborhood eyesore - a rusty El Camino that
>> >probably belongs in a scrapyard. It has spent a few years parked
>> >outside in New England. It evidently is just operational enough to
>> >move across the street once a year when the snow parking side-of-
>> >street rules change (a neighbor who witnessed that event this year
>> >said the engine noise was deafening).
>>
>> >So here's my question - since I'm trying to resolve this nasty issue
>> >peaceably: if you ran across such a heap, what would be a reasonable
>> >offer for it? I realize I don't have a lot of details, but hope I've
>> >provided enough info for a SWAG estimate.
>>
>> >Zip
>>
>> Since you are trying ot opress your neighbor, I'd guess it is worth
>> whatever you have to pay for it... Don't you have anything better to
>> do with your life than causing problems for the rest of the world?
>>
>> Go over and offer to buy it, say "How much?" He'll tell you. Pay it,
>> then junk it.
>
>
>Thank you for your thoughtful, detailed analysis of my motives and the
>situation. I wish things were as simple as your sensible suggestion,
>but they're not: I'm dealing with an intermediary who's making a
>sincere effort to soak me. I need to be armed with a little
>information. Blue books aren't very helpful here - I'm hoping someone
>with enough knowledge about harvesting neglected, rusting, classic
>vehicles could help me gain that information. It seems like a
>reasonable request - sorry if you think otherwise.

Why people think they have a right to tell others what they can and
can't do with their property is beyond me. If he wants a rust bucket,
that's his right.

Worth...

I'd say it is worth between 40 and 40,000 dollars. Take the average of
20,020 and offer him that.

Or go buy one that is more visually appealing to you, and offer to
trade him even.
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:50:09 -0400, PeterD <peter2.DeleteThis@hipson.net> wrote:


>>> >So here's my question - since I'm trying to resolve this nasty issue
>>> >peaceably: if you ran across such a heap, what would be a reasonable
>>> >offer for it? I realize I don't have a lot of details, but hope I've
>>> >provided enough info for a SWAG estimate.
>>>
>>> >Zip
>>>
>>> Since you are trying ot opress your neighbor, I'd guess it is worth
>>> whatever you have to pay for it... Don't you have anything better to
>>> do with your life than causing problems for the rest of the world?
>>>
>
>.......
>
>I'd say it is worth between 40 and 40,000 dollars. Take the average of
>20,020 and offer him that.
>
>Or go buy one that is more visually appealing to you, and offer to
>trade him even.
================================
Your math is just about at par with your understanding of what Zip is
trying to do.

Joe
--
Heather & Joe Way
Sierra Specialty Automotive
Brake cylinders sleeved with brass
Gus Wilson Stories
http://www.brakecylinder.com
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On Apr 21, 7:50 pm, PeterD <pet... RemoveThis @hipson.net> wrote:
> On 21 Apr 2007 06:28:46 -0700, Zip <zip... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Apr 21, 8:29 am, PeterD <pet... RemoveThis @hipson.net> wrote:
> >> On 21 Apr 2007 04:35:59 -0700, Zip <zip... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Hello all,
>
> >> >I'm a first-time visitor, not a classic truck owner - but am trying to
> >> >research a problem I hope someone here can help with.
>
> >> >I"m trying to solve a neighborhood eyesore - a rusty El Camino that
> >> >probably belongs in a scrapyard. It has spent a few years parked
> >> >outside in New England. It evidently is just operational enough to
> >> >move across the street once a year when the snow parking side-of-
> >> >street rules change (a neighbor who witnessed that event this year
> >> >said the engine noise was deafening).
>
> >> >So here's my question - since I'm trying to resolve this nasty issue
> >> >peaceably: if you ran across such a heap, what would be a reasonable
> >> >offer for it? I realize I don't have a lot of details, but hope I've
> >> >provided enough info for a SWAG estimate.
>
> >> >Zip
>
> >> Since you are trying ot opress your neighbor, I'd guess it is worth
> >> whatever you have to pay for it... Don't you have anything better to
> >> do with your life than causing problems for the rest of the world?
>
> >> Go over and offer to buy it, say "How much?" He'll tell you. Pay it,
> >> then junk it.
>
> >Thank you for your thoughtful, detailed analysis of my motives and the
> >situation. I wish things were as simple as your sensible suggestion,
> >but they're not: I'm dealing with an intermediary who's making a
> >sincere effort to soak me. I need to be armed with a little
> >information. Blue books aren't very helpful here - I'm hoping someone
> >with enough knowledge about harvesting neglected, rusting, classic
> >vehicles could help me gain that information. It seems like a
> >reasonable request - sorry if you think otherwise.
>
> Why people think they have a right to tell others what they can and
> can't do with their property is beyond me. If he wants a rust bucket,
> that's his right.

And if I want to sell my house, that's my right. It's unfortunate that
his rustbucket is scaring off buyers. Yes - that's what's going on
here. Now we're even - I also have rights that are at stake.

My neighbor is violating the law by parking a non-functional car on a
public street. His law-breaking is causing me economic harm. But I'm
not trying to threaten anyone with the law - I'm trying to settle this
problem much more to his advantage. My interest in doing that stops
well short of being ripped off - I'm trying to be fair, not stupid.
Why you've concluded that I'm trying to perpetrate some terrible
violation of his human rights is beyond me.

>
> Worth...
>
> I'd say it is worth between 40 and 40,000 dollars. Take the average of
> 20,020 and offer him that.

Once again, thank you for you thoughtful analysis - your understanding
of market economics is clearly as deep as your understanding of human
motives.

Zip

>
> Or go buy one that is more visually appealing to you, and offer to
> trade him even.
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:24:10 -0700, Heather & Joe Way
<joe.TakeThisOut@brakecylinder.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:50:09 -0400, PeterD <peter2.TakeThisOut@hipson.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I'd say it is worth between 40 and 40,000 dollars. Take the average of
>>20,020 and offer him that.
>>
>>Or go buy one that is more visually appealing to you, and offer to
>>trade him even.
>================================
>Your math is just about at par with your understanding of what Zip is
>trying to do.
>
>Joe
===============================
Note to self:

Even with your new monitor, you still need your glasses to read.

The math is OK, but the logic is still way off.

Joe
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On 21 Apr 2007 19:56:55 -0700, Zip
<zipcin DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 21, 7:50 pm, PeterD <pet... DeleteThis @hipson.net> wrote:
>> On 21 Apr 2007 06:28:46 -0700, Zip <zip... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Apr 21, 8:29 am, PeterD <pet... DeleteThis @hipson.net> wrote:
>> >> On 21 Apr 2007 04:35:59 -0700, Zip <zip... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Hello all,
>>
>> >> >I'm a first-time visitor, not a classic truck owner - but am trying to
>> >> >research a problem I hope someone here can help with.
>>
>> >> >I"m trying to solve a neighborhood eyesore - a rusty El Camino that
>> >> >probably belongs in a scrapyard. It has spent a few years parked
>> >> >outside in New England. It evidently is just operational enough to
>> >> >move across the street once a year when the snow parking side-of-
>> >> >street rules change (a neighbor who witnessed that event this year
>> >> >said the engine noise was deafening).
>>
>> >> >So here's my question - since I'm trying to resolve this nasty issue
>> >> >peaceably: if you ran across such a heap, what would be a reasonable
>> >> >offer for it? I realize I don't have a lot of details, but hope I've
>> >> >provided enough info for a SWAG estimate.
>>
>> >> >Zip
>>
>> >> Since you are trying ot opress your neighbor, I'd guess it is worth
>> >> whatever you have to pay for it... Don't you have anything better to
>> >> do with your life than causing problems for the rest of the world?
>>
>> >> Go over and offer to buy it, say "How much?" He'll tell you. Pay it,
>> >> then junk it.
>>
>> >Thank you for your thoughtful, detailed analysis of my motives and the
>> >situation. I wish things were as simple as your sensible suggestion,
>> >but they're not: I'm dealing with an intermediary who's making a
>> >sincere effort to soak me. I need to be armed with a little
>> >information. Blue books aren't very helpful here - I'm hoping someone
>> >with enough knowledge about harvesting neglected, rusting, classic
>> >vehicles could help me gain that information. It seems like a
>> >reasonable request - sorry if you think otherwise.
>>
>> Why people think they have a right to tell others what they can and
>> can't do with their property is beyond me. If he wants a rust bucket,
>> that's his right.
>
>And if I want to sell my house, that's my right. It's unfortunate that
>his rustbucket is scaring off buyers. Yes - that's what's going on
>here. Now we're even - I also have rights that are at stake.
>
>My neighbor is violating the law by parking a non-functional car on a
>public street. His law-breaking is causing me economic harm. But I'm
>not trying to threaten anyone with the law - I'm trying to settle this
>problem much more to his advantage. My interest in doing that stops
>well short of being ripped off - I'm trying to be fair, not stupid.
>Why you've concluded that I'm trying to perpetrate some terrible
>violation of his human rights is beyond me.
>
>>
>> Worth...
>>
>> I'd say it is worth between 40 and 40,000 dollars. Take the average of
>> 20,020 and offer him that.
>
>Once again, thank you for you thoughtful analysis - your understanding
>of market economics is clearly as deep as your understanding of human
>motives.
>
>Zip
>
>>
>> Or go buy one that is more visually appealing to you, and offer to
>> trade him even.
>


Zip , I congratulate you for trying the do the
right thing. I know nothing about possible worth
of this vehicle , but I had to comment on PeterD.

PeterD is evidently a product of our PC society,
which believes that we cannot do anything to
correct a problem because we might hurt someones'
feelings. Balderdash. We need more people with
courgage, people that speak their minds, people
that are willing to solve problems. We don't need
more wussies that are too afraid try and correct
problems.
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On Apr 22, 10:47 am, anutfor... RemoveThis @core.com wrote:
> On 21 Apr 2007 19:56:55 -0700, Zip
>
>
>
> <zip... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 21, 7:50 pm, PeterD <pet... RemoveThis @hipson.net> wrote:
> >> On 21 Apr 2007 06:28:46 -0700, Zip <zip... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On Apr 21, 8:29 am, PeterD <pet... RemoveThis @hipson.net> wrote:
> >> >> On 21 Apr 2007 04:35:59 -0700, Zip <zip... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >Hello all,
>
> >> >> >I'm a first-time visitor, not a classic truck owner - but am trying to
> >> >> >research a problem I hope someone here can help with.
>
> >> >> >I"m trying to solve a neighborhood eyesore - a rusty El Camino that
> >> >> >probably belongs in a scrapyard. It has spent a few years parked
> >> >> >outside in New England. It evidently is just operational enough to
> >> >> >move across the street once a year when the snow parking side-of-
> >> >> >street rules change (a neighbor who witnessed that event this year
> >> >> >said the engine noise was deafening).
>
> >> >> >So here's my question - since I'm trying to resolve this nasty issue
> >> >> >peaceably: if you ran across such a heap, what would be a reasonable
> >> >> >offer for it? I realize I don't have a lot of details, but hope I've
> >> >> >provided enough info for a SWAG estimate.
>
> >> >> >Zip
>
> >> >> Since you are trying ot opress your neighbor, I'd guess it is worth
> >> >> whatever you have to pay for it... Don't you have anything better to
> >> >> do with your life than causing problems for the rest of the world?
>
> >> >> Go over and offer to buy it, say "How much?" He'll tell you. Pay it,
> >> >> then junk it.
>
> >> >Thank you for your thoughtful, detailed analysis of my motives and the
> >> >situation. I wish things were as simple as your sensible suggestion,
> >> >but they're not: I'm dealing with an intermediary who's making a
> >> >sincere effort to soak me. I need to be armed with a little
> >> >information. Blue books aren't very helpful here - I'm hoping someone
> >> >with enough knowledge about harvesting neglected, rusting, classic
> >> >vehicles could help me gain that information. It seems like a
> >> >reasonable request - sorry if you think otherwise.
>
> >> Why people think they have a right to tell others what they can and
> >> can't do with their property is beyond me. If he wants a rust bucket,
> >> that's his right.
>
> >And if I want to sell my house, that's my right. It's unfortunate that
> >his rustbucket is scaring off buyers. Yes - that's what's going on
> >here. Now we're even - I also have rights that are at stake.
>
> >My neighbor is violating the law by parking a non-functional car on a
> >public street. His law-breaking is causing me economic harm. But I'm
> >not trying to threaten anyone with the law - I'm trying to settle this
> >problem much more to his advantage. My interest in doing that stops
> >well short of being ripped off - I'm trying to be fair, not stupid.
> >Why you've concluded that I'm trying to perpetrate some terrible
> >violation of his human rights is beyond me.
>
> >> Worth...
>
> >> I'd say it is worth between 40 and 40,000 dollars. Take the average of
> >> 20,020 and offer him that.
>
> >Once again, thank you for you thoughtful analysis - your understanding
> >of market economics is clearly as deep as your understanding of human
> >motives.
>
> >Zip
>
> >> Or go buy one that is more visually appealing to you, and offer to
> >> trade him even.
>
> Zip , I congratulate you for trying the do the
> right thing. I know nothing about possible worth
> of this vehicle , but I had to comment on PeterD.
>
> PeterD is evidently a product of our PC society,
> which believes that we cannot do anything to
> correct a problem because we might hurt someones'
> feelings. Balderdash. We need more people with
> courgage, people that speak their minds, people
> that are willing to solve problems. We don't need
> more wussies that are too afraid try and correct
> problems.


Thanks. I don't mind PeterD's "PC" opinions about respecting other's
rights, but he jumped to some very foolish conclusions based on lack
of information. My challenges as a homeseller aren't really relevant
to my question - I didn't plan to bring them into the discussion, but
it became necessary in the face of such silliness. Peter's been quiet
since then, so maybe he considers my property rights as sacred as my
scofflaw neighbor's - there's some hope for him.
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On Apr 23, 8:31 am, PeterD <pet... DeleteThis @hipson.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:57:24 -0700, Heather & Joe Way
>
>
>
> <sierr... DeleteThis @psln.com> wrote:
> >On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:24:10 -0700, Heather & Joe Way
> ><j... DeleteThis @brakecylinder.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:50:09 -0400, PeterD <pet... DeleteThis @hipson.net> wrote:
>
> >>>I'd say it is worth between 40 and 40,000 dollars. Take the average of
> >>>20,020 and offer him that.
>
> >>>Or go buy one that is more visually appealing to you, and offer to
> >>>trade him even.
> >>================================
> >>Your math is just about at par with your understanding of what Zip is
> >>trying to do.
>
> >>Joe
> >===============================
> >Note to self:
>
> >Even with your new monitor, you still need your glasses to read.
>
> >The math is OK, but the logic is still way off.
>
> >Joe
>
> <g> What the OP is doing is either trolling or being really dumb...
> How can someone come up with a value for so vague an item?

Beats me. BlueBook and Edmunds manage to do it - are their users
"really dumb"? I was just asking this group to fill in a hole those
sources don't cover. I'm pleased and honored you took it as an
invitation to bestow your advice on how to deal with people and local
ordinances - but it really wasn't what I was looking for. However,
I'll keep you in mind when I am in search of such wisdom.

>
> As to the OP's 'justification', that is just icing on the cake--a good
> laugh, but not much more.

If I brought some humor to your life, my existence has been
worthwhile.

Zip
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:57:24 -0700, Heather & Joe Way
<sierrasa.TakeThisOut@psln.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:24:10 -0700, Heather & Joe Way
><joe.TakeThisOut@brakecylinder.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:50:09 -0400, PeterD <peter2.TakeThisOut@hipson.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'd say it is worth between 40 and 40,000 dollars. Take the average of
>>>20,020 and offer him that.
>>>
>>>Or go buy one that is more visually appealing to you, and offer to
>>>trade him even.
>>================================
>>Your math is just about at par with your understanding of what Zip is
>>trying to do.
>>
>>Joe
>===============================
>Note to self:
>
>Even with your new monitor, you still need your glasses to read.
>
>The math is OK, but the logic is still way off.
>
>Joe

<g> What the OP is doing is either trolling or being really dumb...
How can someone come up with a value for so vague an item?

As to the OP's 'justification', that is just icing on the cake--a good
laugh, but not much more.

Here it is:

An item's value is solely what a buyer will pay for it if the seller
wants to sell it. Nothing more, nothing less.

So, the OP should contact the owner, and say "how much". Then the OP
can decide: "Do I really want this?" If the answer is yes, then he
should buy it. If not he should simply get on with his life and worry
less about what his neighbors do, own or drive.
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:47:12 -0500, anutforyou.TakeThisOut@core.com wrote:


>PeterD is evidently a product of our PC society,
>which believes that we cannot do anything to
>correct a problem because we might hurt someones'
>feelings.

Hogwash. I could care less about feelings. I don't even care about my
feelings. What I am saying is that if someone wants to own an old
junker that is their right.

If as the OP says "it is in violation of local laws" then he should
report it.

His options are simple: either buy it for whatever price he and the
seller can agree on (and your feeling of value, my feeling of value,
and everyone else's feeling of value is worthless in this case!) or
report it as a legal problem, or live with it.

I doubt very much that a car on the street is affecting the value of
the OP's house or property--I suspect that there is much more to this
story...

>Balderdash. We need more people with
>courgage, people that speak their minds, people
>that are willing to solve problems. We don't need
>more wussies that are too afraid try and correct
>problems.
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On 22 Apr 2007 13:19:10 -0700, Zip <zipcin RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:


>
>
>Thanks. I don't mind PeterD's "PC" opinions about respecting other's
>rights, but he jumped to some very foolish conclusions based on lack
>of information. My challenges as a homeseller aren't really relevant
>to my question - I didn't plan to bring them into the discussion, but
>it became necessary in the face of such silliness. Peter's been quiet
>since then, so maybe he considers my property rights as sacred as my
>scofflaw neighbor's - there's some hope for him.

I'm hopeless, so there!

Make a fair offer on the car. If he'll sell, buy it. If not, contact
the town and report it as a 'junk' vehicle. If the town agrees with
you, and there are rules on junk vehicles in your town, it will go.
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On 23 Apr 2007 07:50:56 -0700, Zip <zipcin.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 23, 8:31 am, PeterD <pet....DeleteThis@hipson.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:57:24 -0700, Heather & Joe Way
>>
>>
>>
>> <sierr....DeleteThis@psln.com> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:24:10 -0700, Heather & Joe Way
>> ><j....DeleteThis@brakecylinder.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:50:09 -0400, PeterD <pet....DeleteThis@hipson.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>I'd say it is worth between 40 and 40,000 dollars. Take the average of
>> >>>20,020 and offer him that.
>>
>> >>>Or go buy one that is more visually appealing to you, and offer to
>> >>>trade him even.
>> >>================================
>> >>Your math is just about at par with your understanding of what Zip is
>> >>trying to do.
>>
>> >>Joe
>> >===============================
>> >Note to self:
>>
>> >Even with your new monitor, you still need your glasses to read.
>>
>> >The math is OK, but the logic is still way off.
>>
>> >Joe
>>
>> <g> What the OP is doing is either trolling or being really dumb...
>> How can someone come up with a value for so vague an item?
>
>Beats me. BlueBook and Edmunds manage to do it - are their users
>"really dumb"?

Basically, NADA and Edmunds need the year, model, condition, miles,
major options, etc. to determine a value. Not just the phrase "rust
bucket"... <g> If you can tell me the above I can tell you what I
*Think* it is worth, too. Generally a rust bucket of indeterminate age
and condition is worth about $25 to $75 as scrap, and maybe twice that
to someone looking for parts (assuming there are some still left.)

What year and model? How many miles? General condition? Options? Air?

Say it is a collector's vehicle... (might be, right?) then grab a copy
of Hemmings Motor News, look up similar vheicles in similar condition.
(You probably won't find any, but Hemmings is fun anyway.)

Again, (last time, I promise!) what is it worth to you to get the
thing out of there? Take that amount, write up a bill of sale, walk up
to the guys door: "Here's cash, in hand..." Maybe he'll surprise you.
Most junk yards will tow it away for free.

>I was just asking this group to fill in a hole those
>sources don't cover. I'm pleased and honored you took it as an
>invitation to bestow your advice on how to deal with people and local
>ordinances - but it really wasn't what I was looking for. However,
>I'll keep you in mind when I am in search of such wisdom.
>
>>
>> As to the OP's 'justification', that is just icing on the cake--a good
>> laugh, but not much more.
>
>If I brought some humor to your life, my existence has been
>worthwhile.

Very! Thanks for all...


>
>Zip
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On 21 Apr 2007 19:56:55 -0700, Zip <zipcin.DeleteThis@gmail.com> puked:

>My neighbor is violating the law by parking a non-functional car on a
>public street. His law-breaking is causing me economic harm.

If I were house hunting and saw a neighbor had an old El Camino, I'd
really want to live there and I'd think the folks there were cool. Of
course, I have an old El Camino, and I think people like me are cool.

Maybe you should ask someone the question in alt.real-estate or
rec.condo.commandos-gone-wild. The only response you should get
calling an old car an eyesore in a classic vehicle forum is a smack in
the head for trolling...
--
lab~rat >
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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