Honda Pilot EXL 2007 - remote start

"jim beam" <spamvortex.RemoveThis@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Seth wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex.RemoveThis@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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>>> Seth wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex.RemoveThis@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the ignition
>>>>> sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing with a
>>>> decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have add-on
>>>> modules that memorize your key's signature and re-broadcast it when it
>>>> receives a proper signal from the starter's main module. It lies
>>>> dormant otherwise.
>>>
>>> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/ transmitter
>>> instead and i /still/ don't need the key!
>>
>>
>> But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
>> transmits when told to by it's controller
>
> if i can capture the key code, i'm /definitely/ capable of transmitting
> the handshake that initiates it!

Which of the 4.3 billion codes are you going to capture? Different code
sent everytime. You would need to capture the current code and the seed key
and then know which algorythm to use to compute the next keycode.

>> and it's short distance (you need to be in the car, near the column,
>> ready to receive when the auto-start is triggered remotely).
>>
>> Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original key
>> signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from the car.
>>
>
> the point is, remote start leaves the tools of the job in the car. no
> remote start means you need to access the driver instead - not something
> most high tech car thieves are interested in doing.

And when running on remote start the steering wheel is still locked, if an
automatic the transmission is still locked and as soon as you step on the
brake or rev the engine to 3x idle it cuts out.

Seth wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex.DeleteThis@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:P8WdncneXpYsDQDbnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> Seth wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex.DeleteThis@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:lb6dnUZ64f3qrgHbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>> Seth wrote:
>>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex.DeleteThis@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the
>>>>>> ignition sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing
>>>>> with a decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have
>>>>> add-on modules that memorize your key's signature and re-broadcast
>>>>> it when it receives a proper signal from the starter's main
>>>>> module. It lies dormant otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/ transmitter
>>>> instead and i /still/ don't need the key!
>>>
>>>
>>> But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
>>> transmits when told to by it's controller
>>
>> if i can capture the key code, i'm /definitely/ capable of
>> transmitting the handshake that initiates it!
>
> Which of the 4.3 billion codes are you going to capture? Different code
> sent everytime. You would need to capture the current code and the seed
> key and then know which algorythm to use to compute the next keycode.
>
>>> and it's short distance (you need to be in the car, near the column,
>>> ready to receive when the auto-start is triggered remotely).
>>>
>>> Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original
>>> key signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from
>>> the car.
>>>
>>
>> the point is, remote start leaves the tools of the job in the car. no
>> remote start means you need to access the driver instead - not
>> something most high tech car thieves are interested in doing.
>
> And when running on remote start the steering wheel is still locked, if
> an automatic the transmission is still locked and as soon as you step on
> the brake or rev the engine to 3x idle it cuts out.
>

if you don't have the technology, flat bed would be easier, yes. but i
assure you, there are kids out there that do this stuff the techy way,
just for the geekiness of it. and remote start with prolonged cold idle
is still a bad for the motor.