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tonyw

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:02 pm
Post subject: Where is ECU in '85 Golf?
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Hi,
Can anyone point me to where the ECU is on an '85 Golf? I've looked
near the fuse box/relay panel and in the engine compartment. Bentley
points to somewhere on the firewall, but nothing obvious in engine or
passenger compartment. Is that it on top of the air cleaner? I want to
check/clean the connector.

I'm trying to diagnose a chronic stalling problem. It just dies when
rolling to a stop, othertimes when just driving along. Sometimes I can
start engine immediately, sometimes have to wait 5-15 minutes and it'll
start fine and run fine for days or weeks before next stall. Car has
283,000 km on it. Based on tips in this newsgroup, have changed fuel
pump relay, transfer pump, fuel filter, ignition wires, and rubber boot
on air duct just ahead of throttle. Have checked cap, rotor, plugs, and
Hall sender wires inside distributor. Have cleaned up and put
diaelectric grease on all connectors I can find in engine compartment
and at fuel pumps. Have checked/cleaned grounds in engine compartment
and beside fuse panel. Have checked state of wires from fuse panel to
both fuel pumps. I haven't done a main fuel pump delivery test yet,
that's next. We use name brand gas (Chevron, Esso, Shell, PetroCan) and
refill at 1/4 tank. Alternator and battery check out ok. Engine runs
fine otherwise. I'm running out of ideas.

Thanks.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:19 am
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"tonyw" <tony49122.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> Can anyone point me to where the ECU is on an '85 Golf? I've looked
> near the fuse box/relay panel and in the engine compartment. Bentley
> points to somewhere on the firewall, but nothing obvious in engine or
> passenger compartment. Is that it on top of the air cleaner? I want to
> check/clean the connector.
>
> I'm trying to diagnose a chronic stalling problem. It just dies when
> rolling to a stop, othertimes when just driving along. Sometimes I can
> start engine immediately, sometimes have to wait 5-15 minutes and it'll
> start fine and run fine for days or weeks before next stall. Car has
> 283,000 km on it. Based on tips in this newsgroup, have changed fuel
> pump relay, transfer pump, fuel filter, ignition wires, and rubber boot
> on air duct just ahead of throttle. Have checked cap, rotor, plugs, and
> Hall sender wires inside distributor. Have cleaned up and put
> diaelectric grease on all connectors I can find in engine compartment
> and at fuel pumps. Have checked/cleaned grounds in engine compartment
> and beside fuse panel. Have checked state of wires from fuse panel to
> both fuel pumps. I haven't done a main fuel pump delivery test yet,
> that's next. We use name brand gas (Chevron, Esso, Shell, PetroCan) and
> refill at 1/4 tank. Alternator and battery check out ok. Engine runs
> fine otherwise. I'm running out of ideas.
>
> Thanks.
>

http://www.the-ecu-doctor.co.uk/

there's a pic of one on this page..........at least you know what it looks
like.

try inside the car up under the dash, maybe the passenger side.

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tonyw

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:24 am
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Hi Harry and Dave,
Thanks for the pointers to the location of the the ECU and what it
looks like. Checked Bentley again for "ignition control unit" and it
should be under the drip tray on the driver's side.

Regarding the ignition switch, the idiot lights stay on though when the
car dies, does that disqualify the ignition switch? The ig switch is a
possibility though after 20 years of use.

Thanks!
-Tony
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One out of many daves

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:55 am
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I doubt it is the ECM/ECU. Smile
AFAIK The ECM can be found if you open up the engine hood and stand on the
left side of the vehicle where the windshield wiper motor resides. So you
will find it close to the windshield under the ign module which might be
under a plastic cover. Pull up the rubber strip and then that cover. At
least that is where I think it is on your 85. You can always follow the
wiring. Wink

Hmmmm since you said you clean all or most electrical connections, and your
FI is not that complicated..........
.......here are my thoughts and especially if the tach drops to '0' when the
engine dies while you are driving it or the idiot lights dont'
light...........
Sometimes the ign. switch is faulty and may or may not work. I guess I
would purchase a new one and then you can easily try it out the next time it
stalls. You would only have to remove 2 phillip screws and unplug the ign
switch plug and install on new switch. Then turn the new ign. switch with a
screwdriver.
What happens to the inside of these switches is that the metal contacts heat
up and the springs that keep pressure on them lose their tension or
springiness. I have rebuilt one to see if I was correct and it lasted
another year. I replaced with a new one when my fixed one started to fail.
8^)

It could also be the ign. module getting hot too. You can find one cheaply
at one of those U-Pull-It places. I have only had to change 2 of these
during the years on different cars.

You need to determine if it is a FUEL problem or an IGNITION problem. I
vote for an ignition problem.

Good luck!
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)


"tonyw" <tony49122 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137564164.939482.145870@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
> Can anyone point me to where the ECU is on an '85 Golf? I've looked
> near the fuse box/relay panel and in the engine compartment. Bentley
> points to somewhere on the firewall, but nothing obvious in engine or
> passenger compartment. Is that it on top of the air cleaner? I want to
> check/clean the connector.
>
> I'm trying to diagnose a chronic stalling problem. It just dies when
> rolling to a stop, othertimes when just driving along. Sometimes I can
> start engine immediately, sometimes have to wait 5-15 minutes and it'll
> start fine and run fine for days or weeks before next stall. Car has
> 283,000 km on it. Based on tips in this newsgroup, have changed fuel
> pump relay, transfer pump, fuel filter, ignition wires, and rubber boot
> on air duct just ahead of throttle. Have checked cap, rotor, plugs, and
> Hall sender wires inside distributor. Have cleaned up and put
> diaelectric grease on all connectors I can find in engine compartment
> and at fuel pumps. Have checked/cleaned grounds in engine compartment
> and beside fuse panel. Have checked state of wires from fuse panel to
> both fuel pumps. I haven't done a main fuel pump delivery test yet,
> that's next. We use name brand gas (Chevron, Esso, Shell, PetroCan) and
> refill at 1/4 tank. Alternator and battery check out ok. Engine runs
> fine otherwise. I'm running out of ideas.
>
> Thanks.
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:55 am
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In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, One out of many daves wrote:

>
>
>You need to determine if it is a FUEL problem or an IGNITION problem. I
>vote for an ignition problem.

I vote fuel, but I am not knowledgeable on this area. I have had the
symptom, so I will be very eager to learn the cure in this case.

The work around is to keep the revs up a bit while braking. In the
old days, I would suspect a bad dashpot.
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tonyw

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:00 am
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Hi, thanks for all the tips, I uncovered the Ignition Control under the
drip tray near the left hand hinge of the hood/bonnet as described. If
I found the correct item, it had a footprint slightly larger than a box
of wooden matches, held by 2 screws to a heat sink. Surprisingly, given
it's location, the unit and plug were very clean. The connections
looked good too and the dielectric grease was in good shape, not
hardended up.

Is there another "brain", an ECU, in the '85 Golf or is the ignition
control it? I believe it's a CIS engine.
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One out of many daves

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:55 pm
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Oh and I did have a Jetta with a similar problem. The terminals to the main
fuel pump were slightly loose/large and the electrical connection would get
lost some of the time. Usually this would happen while trying to start the
vehicle.

Relay or fuse for the ECU? And I will ASSuME that you have checked that NEW
fuel pump relay and it's receptical. 8^o

good luck,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"tonyw" <tony49122 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi, thanks for all the tips, I uncovered the Ignition Control under the
> drip tray near the left hand hinge of the hood/bonnet as described. If
> I found the correct item, it had a footprint slightly larger than a box
> of wooden matches, held by 2 screws to a heat sink. Surprisingly, given
> it's location, the unit and plug were very clean. The connections
> looked good too and the dielectric grease was in good shape, not
> hardended up.
>
> Is there another "brain", an ECU, in the '85 Golf or is the ignition
> control it? I believe it's a CIS engine.
>
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