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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:12 pm
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Peter Parker wrote:
> In article ,
> Mike Smith wrote:
>> Peter Parker wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> Paul L. Hidey wrote:
>>>> I don't know if this has been discussed before, but could someone in the
>>>> know, explain why deisel fuel is so insanely high? And why the
>>>> professional truck driver's and the railroads, aren't screaming their
>>>> brains out? It's driving the price of everything we use out of reach!
>>>> Thank you ,
>>>> PH
>>> Stop bitching like a little girl. In Europe diesel is now close to $7 a
>>> gallon.
>> Do we have to have *this* discussion again?
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> Do we have to have *this* discussion again?
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>> - A large portion of the price of fuel in Europe is set by taxes
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> A large portion of the price of fule in the USA is set by taxes
Not nearly as large as in Europe, which is why gas only costs $3-$3.50 here.
>> - The nations of Europe are democracies
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> The states of the USA are democracies
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>> Therefore: If the people of Europe really wanted more reasonable fuel
>> prices, they could have them. (Of course, they'd have have to bear the
>> cost somewhere else, either in higher income/VAT/other taxes, or in
>> reduced government spending.)
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> Therefore: If the people of the USA really wanted more reasonable fuel prices,
> they could have them.
But I'm not the one complaining about the price of gas. I think the
price of gas in the US is pretty reasonable. It's always these
Europeans that we hear saying "quit whining - gas costs $7 over here!"
Well, there's a *reason* it costs $7.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:14 pm
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none2u wrote:
> It doesn't change your argument , but we are a republic, not a democracy. We
> don't get to vote directly to change anything . We vote for representatives,
Yeah, yeah, OK. I don't know of any direct democracies in the world.
All "democracies" are in fact democratic republics.
> which pretty much, do what they want.
If your countrymen aren't voting out the representatives that they don't
like, then that's the fault of your (and my) countrymen, not the
representatives. The one saving grace of democracy as a form of
government is that the people end up with the government they deserve,
more or less.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:28 pm
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On 2006-07-30, Paul L. Hidey wrote:
> I don't know if this has been discussed before, but could someone in the
> know, explain why deisel fuel is so insanely high? And why the
> professional truck driver's and the railroads, aren't screaming their
> brains out? It's driving the price of everything we use out of reach!
Fuel prices in general are high now, but didn't (like back in the 70's
and early 80's) diesel used to be roughly the same price as regular and
get you better mileage? Now it seems to track more with premium.
Doesn't seem like the bang/buck is as good anymore vs. regular gas.
....Sean. >> Stay informed about: Diesel fuel prices |
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:55 am
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"Mike Smith" wrote in message
> none2u wrote:
>> It doesn't change your argument , but we are a republic, not a democracy.
>> We don't get to vote directly to change anything . We vote for
>> representatives,
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> Yeah, yeah, OK. I don't know of any direct democracies in the world. All
> "democracies" are in fact democratic republics.
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>> which pretty much, do what they want.
>
> If your countrymen aren't voting out the representatives that they don't
> like, then that's the fault of your (and my) countrymen, not the
> representatives. The one saving grace of democracy as a form of
> government is that the people end up with the government they deserve,
> more or less.
>
> --
> Mike Smith
The first voting democracy were the Greeks. Found out, oddly, they did not
vote for incumbents. Rather, they were entitled to vote out the worst
person of the riff-raff. The unlucky person's belonging were frozen, and
the person was exiled for ten years from the locale. Sounds appropriate for
some current leaders today.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:12 pm
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It was a direct democracy. And they were voted in. and every citizen was
supposed to get a chance to serve. Yearly they voted one person they wanted
out. The rest is correct.
"Jonny" wrote in message
> "Mike Smith" wrote in message
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>> none2u wrote:
>>> It doesn't change your argument , but we are a republic, not a
>>> democracy. We don't get to vote directly to change anything . We vote
>>> for representatives,
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, OK. I don't know of any direct democracies in the world. All
>> "democracies" are in fact democratic republics.
>>
>>> which pretty much, do what they want.
>>
>> If your countrymen aren't voting out the representatives that they don't
>> like, then that's the fault of your (and my) countrymen, not the
>> representatives. The one saving grace of democracy as a form of
>> government is that the people end up with the government they deserve,
>> more or less.
>>
>> --
>> Mike Smith
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> The first voting democracy were the Greeks. Found out, oddly, they did
> not vote for incumbents. Rather, they were entitled to vote out the worst
> person of the riff-raff. The unlucky person's belonging were frozen, and
> the person was exiled for ten years from the locale. Sounds appropriate
> for some current leaders today.
> --
> Jonny
> >> Stay informed about: Diesel fuel prices |
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:55 am
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That came later. Initially, no. Later, yes. You're correct for the later
part.
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Jonny
"none2u" wrote in message
> It was a direct democracy. And they were voted in. and every citizen was
> supposed to get a chance to serve. Yearly they voted one person they
> wanted out. The rest is correct.
> "Jonny" wrote in message
>
>> "Mike Smith" wrote in message
>>
>>> none2u wrote:
>>>> It doesn't change your argument , but we are a republic, not a
>>>> democracy. We don't get to vote directly to change anything . We vote
>>>> for representatives,
>>>
>>> Yeah, yeah, OK. I don't know of any direct democracies in the world.
>>> All "democracies" are in fact democratic republics.
>>>
>>>> which pretty much, do what they want.
>>>
>>> If your countrymen aren't voting out the representatives that they don't
>>> like, then that's the fault of your (and my) countrymen, not the
>>> representatives. The one saving grace of democracy as a form of
>>> government is that the people end up with the government they deserve,
>>> more or less.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Smith
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>> The first voting democracy were the Greeks. Found out, oddly, they did
>> not vote for incumbents. Rather, they were entitled to vote out the
>> worst person of the riff-raff. The unlucky person's belonging were
>> frozen, and the person was exiled for ten years from the locale. Sounds
>> appropriate for some current leaders today.
>> --
>> Jonny
>>
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> >> Stay informed about: Diesel fuel prices |
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:55 pm
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"Peter Parker" wrote in message
> In article ,
> Jonny wrote:
>>"Peter Parker" wrote in message
>>
>>> In article ,
>>> Paul L. Hidey wrote:
>>>>I don't know if this has been discussed before, but could someone in the
>>>>know, explain why deisel fuel is so insanely high? And why the
>>>>professional truck driver's and the railroads, aren't screaming their
>>>>brains out? It's driving the price of everything we use out of reach!
>>>>Thank you ,
>>>>PH
>>>
>>> Stop bitching like a little girl. In Europe diesel is now close to $7 a
>>> gallon.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
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>>Europe is very generic term. Prices vary not only from country to
>>country,
>>but also region to region with a country. At least that was my resulting
>>viewpoint after my 20 year military tour and many visits to many European
>>countries.
>>
>>Gender specific put-down not needed irregardless. But, apparently, that's
>>all you got to substantiate.
>>--
>>Jonny
>>
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> USA is very generic term. Prices vary not only from state to state,
> but also region to region with a state. At least that was my resulting
> viewpoint after my 20 year military tour and many visits to many USA
> states.
>
> Gender specific put-down not needed irregardless. But, apparently, that's
> all you got to substantiate.
>
> Jonny come lately.
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