Deusenberg Lost

Sorry,
I wrote the post at 9am this morning on the road (so I wouldn't forget it)..
Didn't get a chance to log on until 11pm tonight.



"Gordon Richmond" wrote...
> Jeff,
>
> I went to the link in Tom's original post, and the Newsday server
> could not find the story.
>
> Given the value of a Duesenberg, it might well be worth restoring even
> if the damage seems to be nearly total.
>
> Damn shame the occupants were killed. I do think if owned such a car,
> I'd have seat belts in it.
>
> Gord Richmond
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"Jeff Rice" <deepnhocknospahm.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Heard this on the radio this morning...
>
> '29 Deusenberg lost in accident in Michigan, owner and two occupants
> thrown
> out of vehicle.
> No seatbelts.
>
> Emphasis on no seatbelts with a minor mention of the car that ran a
> stopsign
> and broadsided them.
>
> No siree, there is no bias in the media.....
>

saw that on the 5 o clock news tonight,,,, owner of Dusenberg had just
finished a restoration
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Jeff Rice wrote:
>
> Heard this on the radio this morning...
>
> '29 Deusenberg lost in accident in Michigan, owner and two occupants thrown
> out of vehicle.
> No seatbelts.
>
> Emphasis on no seatbelts with a minor mention of the car that ran a stopsign
> and broadsided them.
>
> No siree, there is no bias in the media.....



The world's dumbest profession...

JT
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Golly, Jim.

That looks like a long way from being a total loss, given the value of
the Duesy.

Gord Richmond
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It's hard to image an impact that would roll a 3 ton automobile. The
Volvo must have been flying. I suppose the center of gravity on that car
may be higher than normal, but still....

It's human nature when hearing a tragedy like this to look for reasons
to blame the victim(s) in some way. If they were drinking or speeding or
not wearing seat belts, then we can say "it wouldn't have happened to
me" and feel a little more secure.

Normally, seat belts would greatly increased survivability, but when you
roll a convertible (without a roll bar), you're probably screwed either
way. Still, the laws of physics have not been repealed, and in many
cases you're better off in a big older car with seat belts than a newer
little car with the latest safety geegaws.

S2DSteve
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> Heard this on the radio this morning...
>
> '29 Deusenberg lost in accident in Michigan, owner and two occupants
> thrown
> out of vehicle.
> No seatbelts.
>
> Emphasis on no seatbelts with a minor mention of the car that ran a
> stopsign
> and broadsided them.
>
> No siree, there is no bias in the media.....

No mention of the deaths? I guess I could be wrong, but that is a bigger
deal than the car to me.
--
Dave Lester
www.davesplaceinc.com
The Studebaker Hang Out
Casbah of 'Sheba the Tramp, and Goliath the Hateful Truck
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This is what is said in the other post:
An automobile in the hands of an irresponsible person is just as deadly

as a 38 special hand gun. As far as I am concerned, anyone that
willfully behaves in a reckless manner with a gun or a car, should
suffer the consequences. We need to start getting tougher laws in
regards to automobiles that could include use of the death penality
when someone is killed.


The cities of refuge went out of business about 2500 years ago.


Bob Miles
Tucson AZ
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Yes, the mentioned that the people were ejected from the vehicle and were
killed, and that they were not wearing seatbelts. The emphasis of the radio
report was the lack of seat belts and the ejections. Not one mention of a
car running a stoplight (sign?) and broadsiding the car.
Jeff



"Dave Lester" wrote..
> No mention of the deaths? I guess I could be wrong, but that is a bigger
> deal than the car to me.



>> Heard this on the radio this morning...
>> '29 Deusenberg lost in accident in Michigan, owner and two occupants
>> thrown
>> out of vehicle.
>> No seatbelts.
>> Emphasis on no seatbelts with a minor mention of the car that ran a
>> stopsign
>> and broadsided them.
>> No siree, there is no bias in the media.....
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> Yes, the mentioned that the people were ejected from the vehicle and were
> killed, and that they were not wearing seatbelts. The emphasis of the
> radio report was the lack of seat belts and the ejections. Not one mention
> of a car running a stoplight (sign?) and broadsiding the car.

Point being, that can happen any where, any time, to any body, and you have
very little control over it, unfortunately.

OTOH, you do have control over putting your family into a vehicle with or
without restraints, and that choice can make a difference between life and
death of said family members, not to mention permanate, serious injuries.

I grieve for the family, and it should not have happened. Can't say for
sure how much difference restraints would have made in such a vehicle, but I
do know the law of averages lean in favor of them. This is why I have
restraints installed in my keepers. The grandchildren like to go for rides
in the Studes, and I know we could very easily be involved in an accident.
I don't want to be responsible for one of them being thrown out the car just
before it rolls over on them.

Shouldn't have to be that way, but it is. It appears the media in this case
is attempting to drive that point home.

Some things the media does disturb me, this does not.

I, too, hope the driver of the other car gets what he deserves. But, when a
child is thown from a car and dies, it doesn't hurt to remind folks that
there was more than one reason, and the death may have been prevented by the
use of restraints. Ya have to prepare for what you can control, in the
event something happens that you can't control... such as the actions of
other drivers.
--
Dave Lester
www.davesplaceinc.com
The Studebaker Hang Out
Casbah of 'Sheba the Tramp, and Goliath the Hateful Truck
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Dave: Well said. Too many folks on this and other old car forums are so
eager to condemn the media that they lose sight of the point being made in
this story. No one, and no reporter, excuses the driver of the other car
for his or her reckless action, but it is inexcuseable to drive around with
children unrestrained in a car. Anyone who tries to justify not using seat
belts on the basis of the possibility of being trapped in the car needs to
spend a Friday or Saturday night in a hospital emergency room. There is
nothing to debate about the fact that seat belts save lives.

Hal Hermann



"Dave Lester" <spd2 DeleteThis @provalue.net> wrote in message
news:944e0$42ef90cf$42d21265$20593@provalue.allthenewsgroups.com...
>> Yes, the mentioned that the people were ejected from the vehicle and were
>> killed, and that they were not wearing seatbelts. The emphasis of the
>> radio report was the lack of seat belts and the ejections. Not one
>> mention of a car running a stoplight (sign?) and broadsiding the car.
>
> Point being, that can happen any where, any time, to any body, and you
> have very little control over it, unfortunately.
>
> OTOH, you do have control over putting your family into a vehicle with or
> without restraints, and that choice can make a difference between life and
> death of said family members, not to mention permanate, serious injuries.
>
> I grieve for the family, and it should not have happened. Can't say for
> sure how much difference restraints would have made in such a vehicle, but
> I do know the law of averages lean in favor of them. This is why I have
> restraints installed in my keepers. The grandchildren like to go for
> rides in the Studes, and I know we could very easily be involved in an
> accident. I don't want to be responsible for one of them being thrown out
> the car just before it rolls over on them.
>
> Shouldn't have to be that way, but it is. It appears the media in this
> case is attempting to drive that point home.
>
> Some things the media does disturb me, this does not.
>
> I, too, hope the driver of the other car gets what he deserves. But, when
> a child is thown from a car and dies, it doesn't hurt to remind folks that
> there was more than one reason, and the death may have been prevented by
> the use of restraints. Ya have to prepare for what you can control, in
> the event something happens that you can't control... such as the actions
> of other drivers.
> --
> Dave Lester
> www.davesplaceinc.com
> The Studebaker Hang Out
> Casbah of 'Sheba the Tramp, and Goliath the Hateful Truck
>
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I bet Jay Leno will buy it. Either for parts or to restore...
Matthew
bob m wrote:
> This is what is said in the other post:
> An automobile in the hands of an irresponsible person is just as deadly
>
> as a 38 special hand gun. As far as I am concerned, anyone that
> willfully behaves in a reckless manner with a gun or a car, should
> suffer the consequences. We need to start getting tougher laws in
> regards to automobiles that could include use of the death penality
> when someone is killed.
>
>
> The cities of refuge went out of business about 2500 years ago.
>
>
> Bob Miles
> Tucson AZ
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Amen

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ
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.. Ya have to prepare for what you can control, in the
>event something happens that you can't control... such as the actions of
>other drivers.

If you look carefull at the Deusey, it almost looks drivable. In the
shoulda coulda woulda dept. seat belts could have been installed, and
even shoulder restraints could have been installed without any
"damage" to the car. I an a veru defensive driver, but in reading
between the lines the fellow who restored the car was driving, which
leads me to the fact that this trip was the first trip sinse it came
back and the driver was not only driving but giving a bit of dual
instructuin,

Bill
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