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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:09 am
Post subject: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:33 pm
Post subject: Re: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Katrina" <pricekatrina.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> 1991 F150 brake light on dashboard will not go out. Gets dim, but
> won't go out. Need for it to function properly to pass state
> inspection. How do I fix this?
Did you check the bake fluid level?
Is the parking brake switch operating properly?
If the fluid level is OK and the parking brake switch is OK, the next most
likely problem that is cheap to fix, is the rear differential speed sensor.
These are easy to replace and cost around $20.
You could take your vehicle to a dealer and ask them to read the ABS codes.
This requires specialized equipment, but this would keep you from guessing
and wasting money on parts you don't need.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:59 am
Post subject: Re: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <13k6h31r3jnd1b7.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
<snip>
> You could take your vehicle to a dealer and ask them to read the ABS codes.
> This requires specialized equipment,
Only requires a jumper wire on a 91 >> Stay informed about: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:14 pm
Post subject: Re: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"aarcuda69062" <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> In article <13k6h31r3jnd1b7 RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3 RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>> You could take your vehicle to a dealer and ask them to read the ABS
>> codes.
>> This requires specialized equipment,
>
> Only requires a jumper wire on a 91
For the ABS?
Ed >> Stay informed about: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:35 pm
Post subject: Re: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "aarcuda69062" <nonelson DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:nonelson-52664A.08595321112007@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
>> In article <13k6h31r3jnd1b7 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>,
>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> You could take your vehicle to a dealer and ask them to read the ABS
>>> codes.
>>> This requires specialized equipment,
>>
>> Only requires a jumper wire on a 91
>
> For the ABS?
See http://www.aa1car.com/library/abs_kelseyhayes_rwal.htm .
Ed >> Stay informed about: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:31 pm
Post subject: Re: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <13k8uitmo3lage4 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:13k8prg3aenkg24@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "aarcuda69062" <nonelson DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:nonelson-52664A.08595321112007@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
> >> In article <13k6h31r3jnd1b7 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>,
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> <snip>
> >>> You could take your vehicle to a dealer and ask them to read the ABS
> >>> codes.
> >>> This requires specialized equipment,
> >>
> >> Only requires a jumper wire on a 91
> >
> > For the ABS?
Yes.
>
> See http://www.aa1car.com/library/abs_kelseyhayes_rwal.htm .
From the above site;
"On Ford and Dodge trucks, fault codes can be accessed manually
by grounding the diagnostic pigtail connector on the ABS control
module."
IOWs, a jumper wire.
FWIW, in 1991, Ford didn't even have scan tool capability in
their engine controllers, much less their ABS controllers. >> Stay informed about: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:41 pm
Post subject: Re: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"aarcuda69062" <nonelson.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> In article <13k8uitmo3lage4.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:13k8prg3aenkg24@corp.supernews.com...
>> >
>> > "aarcuda69062" <nonelson.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:nonelson-52664A.08595321112007@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
>> >> In article <13k6h31r3jnd1b7.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
>> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >> <snip>
>> >>> You could take your vehicle to a dealer and ask them to read the ABS
>> >>> codes.
>> >>> This requires specialized equipment,
>> >>
>> >> Only requires a jumper wire on a 91
>> >
>> > For the ABS?
>
> Yes.
>
>>
>> See http://www.aa1car.com/library/abs_kelseyhayes_rwal.htm .
>
> From the above site;
>
> "On Ford and Dodge trucks, fault codes can be accessed manually
> by grounding the diagnostic pigtail connector on the ABS control
> module."
>
> IOWs, a jumper wire.
I realized that after my "for the ABS" post and that is why I posted the
link.
> FWIW, in 1991, Ford didn't even have scan tool capability in
> their engine controllers, much less their ABS controllers.
So what was the STAR II if not a scan tool?
Ed >> Stay informed about: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:05 am
Post subject: Re: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <13kmfbed1tl0r6a.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "aarcuda69062" <nonelson.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:nonelson-32BE78.18313321112007@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
> > In article <13k8uitmo3lage4.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
> > "C. E. White" <cewhite3.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> news:13k8prg3aenkg24@corp.supernews.com...
> >> >
> >> > "aarcuda69062" <nonelson.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:nonelson-52664A.08595321112007@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
> >> >> In article <13k6h31r3jnd1b7.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
> >> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> >> <snip>
> >> >>> You could take your vehicle to a dealer and ask them to read the ABS
> >> >>> codes.
> >> >>> This requires specialized equipment,
> >> >>
> >> >> Only requires a jumper wire on a 91
> >> >
> >> > For the ABS?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >>
> >> See http://www.aa1car.com/library/abs_kelseyhayes_rwal.htm .
> >
> > From the above site;
> >
> > "On Ford and Dodge trucks, fault codes can be accessed manually
> > by grounding the diagnostic pigtail connector on the ABS control
> > module."
> >
> > IOWs, a jumper wire.
>
> I realized that after my "for the ABS" post and that is why I posted the
> link.
>
> > FWIW, in 1991, Ford didn't even have scan tool capability in
> > their engine controllers, much less their ABS controllers.
>
> So what was the STAR II if not a scan tool?
>
> Ed
A jumper wire with a push button.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:18 am
Post subject: Re: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:41:35 -0500, C. E. White rearranged some electrons
to say:
> "aarcuda69062" <nonelson DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:nonelson-32BE78.18313321112007@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
>> In article <13k8uitmo3lage4 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:13k8prg3aenkg24@corp.supernews.com...
>>> >
>>> > "aarcuda69062" <nonelson DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:nonelson-52664A.08595321112007@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
>>> >> In article <13k6h31r3jnd1b7 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>, "C. E. White"
>>> >> <cewhite3 DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote: <snip>
>>> >>> You could take your vehicle to a dealer and ask them to read the
>>> >>> ABS codes.
>>> >>> This requires specialized equipment,
>>> >>
>>> >> Only requires a jumper wire on a 91
>>> >
>>> > For the ABS?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>
>>> See http://www.aa1car.com/library/abs_kelseyhayes_rwal.htm .
>>
>> From the above site;
>>
>> "On Ford and Dodge trucks, fault codes can be accessed manually by
>> grounding the diagnostic pigtail connector on the ABS control module."
>>
>> IOWs, a jumper wire.
>
> I realized that after my "for the ABS" post and that is why I posted the
> link.
>
>> FWIW, in 1991, Ford didn't even have scan tool capability in their
>> engine controllers, much less their ABS controllers.
>
> So what was the STAR II if not a scan tool?
>
> Ed
A glorified light bulb. >> Stay informed about: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:32 am
Post subject: Re: F150 Dashboard Brake light won't go out [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"aarcuda69062" <nonelson.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> > FWIW, in 1991, Ford didn't even have scan tool capability in
>> > their engine controllers, much less their ABS controllers.
>>
>> So what was the STAR II if not a scan tool?
>>
>> Ed
>
> A jumper wire with a push button.
I see you never owned one. I did. It pulls codes jsut like my generic
OBD-II scanner. It also prompted you to take some action (press
throttle, move steering wheel, hit brakes) that you can't handle with
a jumper wire and a push button. Compared to the OBD-II testers, the
number of fault codes was limited (100's of codes - not much of a
limit really), but I don't see that the difference is as great as you
are indicating. What can you do with a generic OBD-II tester you
couldn't do with a Star II Tester?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:32 pm
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In article <474ecdbe@kcnews01>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3 RemoveThis @removemindspring.com> wrote:
> "aarcuda69062" <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:nonelson-B2F9AD.01051429112007@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
>
> >> > FWIW, in 1991, Ford didn't even have scan tool capability in
> >> > their engine controllers, much less their ABS controllers.
> >>
> >> So what was the STAR II if not a scan tool?
> >>
> >> Ed
> >
> > A jumper wire with a push button.
>
> I see you never owned one.
Nope, the dealership provided it.
> I did. It pulls codes jsut like my generic
> OBD-II scanner.
Pulling codes does not make it a scan tool.
> It also prompted you to take some action (press
> throttle, move steering wheel, hit brakes) that you can't handle with
> a jumper wire and a push button.
Called a "self test", KOEO and KOER and yes, you can do a self
test with just a jumper wire if you know the prompts.
> Compared to the OBD-II testers, the
> number of fault codes was limited (100's of codes - not much of a
> limit really),
That's a function of the EEC system, not the tool.
> but I don't see that the difference is as great as you
> are indicating. What can you do with a generic OBD-II tester you
> couldn't do with a Star II Tester?
You're kidding, right?
First off, I don't own any "generic" scan tools, although some of
them do have generic capability.
What can I do with a real scan tool?
Well, on some pre-OBD2 vehicles, I can control certain output
functions with the scan tool (bi-directional control), I can read
serial data (sensor outputs) in real time, I can read stepper
motor counts (position) in real time, I can read calculated
ignition timing, I can read ignition timing retard, I can read
injector on time, I can read switch status, I can read cruise
control functions, I can energize transmission solenoids, I can
energize air pump solenoids, I can record movies of the data
stream, I can graph the data stream... That's just on pre 1996
vehicles with much more limited capabilities than post 1996
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:07 am
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