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Since: Jan 19, 2008 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:15 am
Post subject: Q: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) Archived from groups: alt>autos>ford (more info?)
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1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L
- Car has lost power and engine is running rougher.
- Autozone diagnosed that cylinder 2 wasn't firing.
- Removed #2 spark plug wire from ignition module, held close to
module and no spark.
- Swapped #2 & #6 wires and #2 wire was okay.
- Cleaned and regapped #2 spark plug - didn't fix problem.
- Tested #2 plug by swapping #2 & #6 wires at ignition module and saw
a spark from #2 engine cylinder to #6 ignition module.
- Measured primary & secondary resistance on ignition module and they
were within specificaiton.
- Question1: what are possible causes of no spark from ignition coil
for cylinder #2 and how can I troubleshoot? Could it be a sensor or
computer problem?
- Question2: can I check ignition wires by measuring resistance with
an ohm meter?
- Comments: spark plugs need to be replaced but I don't think this is
the issue.
Thanks for your help,
Tony >> Stay informed about: Q: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) |
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Since: Jan 19, 2008 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:48 am
Post subject: Re: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Jan 20, 8:26 am, "Bob Bailin" <72027.3....TakeThisOut@compuserve.com> wrote:
> "Tony" <inbox....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > 1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L
> > - Car has lost power and engine is running rougher.
> > - Autozone diagnosed that cylinder 2 wasn't firing.
> > - Removed #2 spark plug wire from ignition module, held close to
> > module and no spark.
> > - Swapped #2 & #6 wires and #2 wire was okay.
> > - Cleaned and regapped #2 spark plug - didn't fix problem.
> > - Tested #2 plug by swapping #2 & #6 wires at ignition module and saw
> > a spark from #2 engine cylinder to #6 ignition module.
> > - Measured primary & secondary resistance on ignition module and they
> > were within specificaiton.
> > - Question1: what are possible causes of no spark from ignition coil
> > for cylinder #2 and how can I troubleshoot? Could it be a sensor or
> > computer problem?
> > - Question2: can I check ignition wires by measuring resistance with
> > an ohm meter?
> > - Comments: spark plugs need to be replaced but I don't think this is
> > the issue.
>
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Tony
>
> From your thorough diagnosis of the plug wires and the spark plugs,
> the next most likely part to be failing is the coil pack (ignition module)
> itself. It's not horribly expensive and fairly easy to replace. Probably
> less expensive than going to a mechanic and having the car put on
> their diagnostic system to confirm a bad coil pack.
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> You can check plug wire resistance with an ohmmeter, but you've
> already proven that the #2 wire is adequate because it works when
> connected to #6.
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> You should change the plugs after fixing this problem. The worn
> plugs aren't the source of the problem, but they do contribute to it.
>
> Bob- Hide quoted text -
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Hello Bob,
Thanks for the advice. Once concern I have about changing the coil
pack is that when I measure the primary and secondary coil resistance,
they were in specification. Is there anything in the coil pack other
than the coil windings, like electronics?
Any thoughts on the ignition control module being the culprit? And,
is this something I can troubleshoot myself?
Thanks again for your help.
Tony >> Stay informed about: Q: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) |
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Since: Apr 24, 2007 Posts: 47
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:50 am
Post subject: Re: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Jan 20, 8:26 am, "Bob Bailin" <72027.3....DeleteThis@compuserve.com> wrote:
> "Tony" <inbox....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:8d20aa94-0320-4f6e-b6d3-78146029e00a@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> > 1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L
> > - Car has lost power and engine is running rougher.
> > - Autozone diagnosed that cylinder 2 wasn't firing.
> > - Removed #2 spark plug wire from ignition module, held close to
> > module and no spark.
> > - Swapped #2 & #6 wires and #2 wire was okay.
> > - Cleaned and regapped #2 spark plug - didn't fix problem.
> > - Tested #2 plug by swapping #2 & #6 wires at ignition module and saw
> > a spark from #2 engine cylinder to #6 ignition module.
> > - Measured primary & secondary resistance on ignition module and they
> > were within specificaiton.
> > - Question1: what are possible causes of no spark from ignition coil
> > for cylinder #2 and how can I troubleshoot? Could it be a sensor or
> > computer problem?
> > - Question2: can I check ignition wires by measuring resistance with
> > an ohm meter?
> > - Comments: spark plugs need to be replaced but I don't think this is
> > the issue.
>
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Tony
>
> From your thorough diagnosis of the plug wires and the spark plugs,
> the next most likely part to be failing is the coil pack (ignition module)
> itself. It's not horribly expensive and fairly easy to replace. Probably
> less expensive than going to a mechanic and having the car put on
> their diagnostic system to confirm a bad coil pack.
>
> You can check plug wire resistance with an ohmmeter, but you've
> already proven that the #2 wire is adequate because it works when
> connected to #6.
>
> You should change the plugs after fixing this problem. The worn
> plugs aren't the source of the problem, but they do contribute to it.
>
> Bob- Hide quoted text -
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well first off when was the last time you changed the plugs in the
car sounds like you cleaned the plugs that could be the whole problem
with your car a $1.25 spark plug would cause this >> Stay informed about: Q: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) |
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Since: Oct 23, 2003 Posts: 377
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Tony" <inbox360 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 20, 8:26 am, "Bob Bailin" <72027.3... DeleteThis @compuserve.com> wrote:
> "Tony" <inbox... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>Hello Bob,
>Thanks for the advice. Once concern I have about changing the coil
>pack is that when I measure the primary and secondary coil resistance,
>they were in specification.
The static resistence test on a coil should be viewed this way:
If it's not within spec, the coil is bad.
If it's within spec, it does NOT prove the coil is good.
A coil can have an internal short that only appears under
the application of high voltage - or heat, or vibration, etc.
Substitution with a known good part is the only sure way. If
the coils are identical, swap with another cylinder and see if
the problem follows the coil.
Ted >> Stay informed about: Q: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) |
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Since: Nov 07, 2003 Posts: 42
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Tony" <inbox360 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8d20aa94-0320-4f6e-b6d3-78146029e00a@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> 1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L
> - Car has lost power and engine is running rougher.
> - Autozone diagnosed that cylinder 2 wasn't firing.
> - Removed #2 spark plug wire from ignition module, held close to
> module and no spark.
> - Swapped #2 & #6 wires and #2 wire was okay.
> - Cleaned and regapped #2 spark plug - didn't fix problem.
> - Tested #2 plug by swapping #2 & #6 wires at ignition module and saw
> a spark from #2 engine cylinder to #6 ignition module.
> - Measured primary & secondary resistance on ignition module and they
> were within specificaiton.
> - Question1: what are possible causes of no spark from ignition coil
> for cylinder #2 and how can I troubleshoot? Could it be a sensor or
> computer problem?
> - Question2: can I check ignition wires by measuring resistance with
> an ohm meter?
> - Comments: spark plugs need to be replaced but I don't think this is
> the issue.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Tony
From your thorough diagnosis of the plug wires and the spark plugs,
the next most likely part to be failing is the coil pack (ignition module)
itself. It's not horribly expensive and fairly easy to replace. Probably
less expensive than going to a mechanic and having the car put on
their diagnostic system to confirm a bad coil pack.
You can check plug wire resistance with an ohmmeter, but you've
already proven that the #2 wire is adequate because it works when
connected to #6.
You should change the plugs after fixing this problem. The worn
plugs aren't the source of the problem, but they do contribute to it.
Bob >> Stay informed about: Q: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) |
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Since: Jun 22, 2003 Posts: 557
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I've seen ignition coils "ohm" good but still be faulty... They can arc
internally under the higher voltages required to fire the plug. Since this
cylinders running mate sounds to be working as it should and no spark is
detected at the spark plug, I would consider a faulty coil pack as a very
good suspect.
"Tony" <inbox360.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a98def47-14b7-4c6a-9640-97d2a0c74f40@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 20, 8:26 am, "Bob Bailin" <72027.3....TakeThisOut@compuserve.com> wrote:
> "Tony" <inbox....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8d20aa94-0320-4f6e-b6d3-78146029e00a@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> > 1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L
> > - Car has lost power and engine is running rougher.
> > - Autozone diagnosed that cylinder 2 wasn't firing.
> > - Removed #2 spark plug wire from ignition module, held close to
> > module and no spark.
> > - Swapped #2 & #6 wires and #2 wire was okay.
> > - Cleaned and regapped #2 spark plug - didn't fix problem.
> > - Tested #2 plug by swapping #2 & #6 wires at ignition module and saw
> > a spark from #2 engine cylinder to #6 ignition module.
> > - Measured primary & secondary resistance on ignition module and they
> > were within specificaiton.
> > - Question1: what are possible causes of no spark from ignition coil
> > for cylinder #2 and how can I troubleshoot? Could it be a sensor or
> > computer problem?
> > - Question2: can I check ignition wires by measuring resistance with
> > an ohm meter?
> > - Comments: spark plugs need to be replaced but I don't think this is
> > the issue.
>
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Tony
>
> From your thorough diagnosis of the plug wires and the spark plugs,
> the next most likely part to be failing is the coil pack (ignition module)
> itself. It's not horribly expensive and fairly easy to replace. Probably
> less expensive than going to a mechanic and having the car put on
> their diagnostic system to confirm a bad coil pack.
>
> You can check plug wire resistance with an ohmmeter, but you've
> already proven that the #2 wire is adequate because it works when
> connected to #6.
>
> You should change the plugs after fixing this problem. The worn
> plugs aren't the source of the problem, but they do contribute to it.
>
> Bob- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello Bob,
Thanks for the advice. Once concern I have about changing the coil
pack is that when I measure the primary and secondary coil resistance,
they were in specification. Is there anything in the coil pack other
than the coil windings, like electronics?
Any thoughts on the ignition control module being the culprit? And,
is this something I can troubleshoot myself?
Thanks again for your help.
Tony >> Stay informed about: Q: Cylinder #2 Not Firing (1997 Ford Mustang, V6, 3.8L) |
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