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sdlomi2

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(Msg. 46) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:50 pm
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"Whitelightning" <white.lightning2 DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "sdlomi2" <daniels_sam DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp DeleteThis @snet.net> wrote in message
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>>> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly DeleteThis @my-deja.com> wrote in message
>>>> How can CR be just hype and distortion when nearly identical cars with
>>>> different nameplates get very similar reliability ratings
>>>
>>> When the same car with different nameplates get far different ratings.
>>>
>> ...like the Vibe compared to the Matrix in a recent issue? s
>>
> Or the front wheel drive Chevy Novas compared to the same year Toyota
> Corollas?
>
> Whitelightning
>
Another analogy exactly. Causes me to WONDER: Is CR that slack? Is CR
getting bribed? Causes me to KNOW: I don't put lotsa faith in their
testing! It'd be interesting to look back at how they compared Honda
Passport and Isuzu Rodeo. s

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C. E. White

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(Msg. 47) Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:09 am
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"sdlomi2" <daniels_sam.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "Whitelightning" <white.lightning2.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> "sdlomi2" <daniels_sam.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp.TakeThisOut@snet.net> wrote in message
>>> news:cIclj.83$xq2.8@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>
>>>> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly.TakeThisOut@my-deja.com> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>> How can CR be just hype and distortion when nearly identical
>>>>> cars with
>>>>> different nameplates get very similar reliability ratings
>>>>
>>>> When the same car with different nameplates get far different
>>>> ratings.
>>>>
>>> ...like the Vibe compared to the Matrix in a recent issue? s
>>>
>> Or the front wheel drive Chevy Novas compared to the same year
>> Toyota Corollas?
>>
>> Whitelightning
>>
> Another analogy exactly. Causes me to WONDER: Is CR that slack?
> Is CR getting bribed? Causes me to KNOW: I don't put lotsa faith in
> their testing! It'd be interesting to look back at how they
> compared Honda Passport and Isuzu Rodeo. s

Actually CR rated the Rodeo and Passport from the same year exactly
the same. They probably had to combine results since neither was sold
in large numbers. As I mentioned in another post in this thread, I
believe CR is blending results for badge engineered vehicles in some
cases. This was not true in the past, but it appears to be true now,
at least for GM and Ford badge engineered models. In other cases it
does not appear to be true for badge engineer models sold by different
manufacturers. For instance, the Matrix and the Vibe have different
reliability rating in the CR tables (not wildly different, but
significant in some cases). The information on line does not go back
far enough to compare the Nova and Corolla, but I can compare the
Chevrolet Prizm (also a Corolla in disguise) to the Corolla. The two
cars do not have the same ratings as for the same years. It is
possible that the differences between the GM marketed Toyotas (Prizm
and Vibe) and the Toyota marketed versions (Corolla and Matrix) are
because of dealer service and optional equipment. CR does not give you
enough information to make this sort of determination. For both the
Prizm and Vibe, the Toyota versions (Corolla and Matrix) scored
higher.

Ed

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(Msg. 48) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:08 pm
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:45:28 GMT, "Mr4701" <NoExists RemoveThis @Earth.net>
wrote:

>Some people still deny global warming.

And why wouldn't they? I've seen nothing compelling me to believe
that it exists. Of course the friction caused by your hand
wringing is certainly creating some degree of heat.

> You cannot convince everyone that
>GMC's and other American made cars fall apart so easy.

Certainly not me. I've owned them (many of them) for close to 40
years with nothing more than consumables needing replaced.
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:59 pm
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Just one problem. There is no correlation between what Consumer Reports
says and REALITY.


"Mr4701" <NoExists.DeleteThis@Earth.net> wrote in message
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> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
>
> 1. American Car Companies have been forced to start making more reliable
> cars in this decade because American consumers by and large ditched the
"buy
> American even if it sucks" motto in the trash.
>
> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average American
> automobile...
>
> Now before any rural country bumpkins go accusing me of being
> anti-American... don't think for a min that I like seeing Michigan become
a
> cesspool just because a bunch of tards bought the "buy American at all
cost"
> B.S.!
>
> mr4701
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> http://www6.autonet.ca/News/story.cfm?story=/News/2005/03/07/953108.html
>
> --"Customers reported an average of 17 problems per 100 vehicles for 2004
> models from DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group, Ford Motor Co. and
General
> Motors Corp., the magazine (Consumer Reports magazine.) said. That was
down
> from 18 problems per 100 in 2003.
>
> Japanese and Korean automakers had a rate of 12 problems per 100
vehicles --
> unchanged in the magazine's last three surveys. European automakers, some
of
> whom have battled quality issues in recent years, had 21 problems per 100
> vehicles. That's up from 20 a year ago."--
>
>
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:37 am
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"Mr4701" <NoExists DeleteThis @Earth.net> wrote in message
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> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:maRkj.2371$Yl.2182@trnddc01...
>> Mr4701 wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> Some people still deny global warming. You cannot convince everyone
>>> that GMC's and other American made cars fall apart so easy.
>>
>> Especially the people like me who have had a Ford for a long time,
>> put many, many miles (150k+ mi) on them, and still have them working
>> nicely, without major repairs.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Same as me saying "its cold in Dallas today" so there is no global
> warming. Your truth is not the same for everyone. My father has a 2006
> Ford Explorer and that spent tons of time in the shop. He had a
> Windstar and Escape also that had issues.. it was always something...
> He finally got A Escape Hybrid but has oathed that if this sugs up, he
> is not buying another. Dad is one of those American Pride guys.
>

Global warming is a socialist lie and my 2000 Impala has 177,000 miles
on it with few real problems.
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:36 pm
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and my 1989 ford bronco with 202,000 milws without a major repair.
none to engine.
old john

Hello, NapalmHeart!
You wrote on Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:37:12 -0500:


N> "Mr4701" <NoExists.DeleteThis@Earth.net> wrote in message
N> news:KmRkj.2372$Yl.1549@trnddc01...
??>>
??>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
??>> news:maRkj.2371$Yl.2182@trnddc01...
??>>> Mr4701 wrote:
??>>>
??>>> <...>
??>>>
??>>>> Some people still deny global warming. You cannot convince everyone
??>>>> that GMC's and other American made cars fall apart so easy.
??>>>
??>>> Especially the people like me who have had a Ford for a long time,
??>>> put many, many miles (150k+ mi) on them, and still have them working
??>>> nicely, without major repairs.
??>>>
??>>> Jeff
??>>
??>> Same as me saying "its cold in Dallas today" so there is no global
??>> warming. Your truth is not the same for everyone. My father has a 2006
??>> Ford Explorer and that spent tons of time in the shop. He had a
??>> Windstar and Escape also that had issues.. it was always something...
??>> He finally got A Escape Hybrid but has oathed that if this sugs up, he
??>> is not buying another. Dad is one of those American Pride guys.
??>>

With best regards, ajeeperman.DeleteThis@comcast.net. E-mail: ajeeperman.DeleteThis@comcast.net
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:02 am
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On Jan 20, 3:47 pm, "Mr4701" <NoExi....TakeThisOut@Earth.net> wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:OIKkj.756$Yl.718@trnddc01...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mr4701 wrote:
> >> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
>
> >> 1. American Car Companies have been forced to start making more reliable
> >> cars in this decade because American consumers by and large ditched the
> >> "buy American even if it sucks" motto in the trash.
>
> >> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average
> >> American automobile...
>
> >> Now before any rural country bumpkins go accusing me of being
> >> anti-American... don't think for a min that I like seeing Michigan become
> >> a cesspool just because a bunch of tards bought the "buy American at all
> >> cost" B.S.!
>
> >> mr4701
>
> > The report was made over two years ago. Since then, Toyota had record
> > numbers of recalls and Consumer Reports decided to no longer automatically
> > rate new Toyota models are reliable.
>
> > Gee, Toyota is as good as they were cracked up to be in the story.
>
> > And, America car makers have shown improved quality.
>
> I agree that American autos have made improved quality.. but its because
> folks like I and others stopped buying American and demanding better
> quality...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Or maybe because its not made in America. I know my Suburban is made
in Mexico, but my Camry is American made! I owned a Dodge made by
Mitsubishi in Japan. American Corp. and American made are not the same
any more.
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(Msg. 53) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:10 am
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Jim wrote:
> On Jan 20, 3:47 pm, "Mr4701" <NoExi....TakeThisOut@Earth.net> wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:OIKkj.756$Yl.718@trnddc01...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Mr4701 wrote:
>>>> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
>>>> 1. American Car Companies have been forced to start making more reliable
>>>> cars in this decade because American consumers by and large ditched the
>>>> "buy American even if it sucks" motto in the trash.
>>>> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average
>>>> American automobile...
>>>> Now before any rural country bumpkins go accusing me of being
>>>> anti-American... don't think for a min that I like seeing Michigan become
>>>> a cesspool just because a bunch of tards bought the "buy American at all
>>>> cost" B.S.!
>>>> mr4701
>>> The report was made over two years ago. Since then, Toyota had record
>>> numbers of recalls and Consumer Reports decided to no longer automatically
>>> rate new Toyota models are reliable.
>>> Gee, Toyota is as good as they were cracked up to be in the story.
>>> And, America car makers have shown improved quality.
>> I agree that American autos have made improved quality.. but its because
>> folks like I and others stopped buying American and demanding better
>> quality...- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Or maybe because its not made in America. I know my Suburban is made
> in Mexico, but my Camry is American made! I owned a Dodge made by
> Mitsubishi in Japan. American Corp. and American made are not the same
> any more.

there are more things to be considered when using the term "made in
america" where was the engineering done. where was the tooling built,
where was the component parts built etc. there may be more american
parts in a car assembled in mexico than a toyota "assembled in america"
not the least taxes paid to which gov and many other thing.
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