Consumer Reports: Asian Cars Better

Mr4701 wrote:

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> Some people still deny global warming. You cannot convince everyone that
> GMC's and other American made cars fall apart so easy.

Especially the people like me who have had a Ford for a long time, put
many, many miles (150k+ mi) on them, and still have them working nicely,
without major repairs.

Jeff
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:33:34 -0500, "Commentator"
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>Jim Warman wrote:

>> Last summer, I bought an 05 Mustang convertible for my loving
>> bride.... Late in the summer, we were treated to more than our
>> "usual" share of rain.... All this rain made it difficult to drive
>> with the top down....
>
>My first Canyon ('04) suffered what was a common problem on that first
>year's model - missing sealant around the firewall, allowing water into the
>cab.

Jim had the TOP DOWN, it didn't leak. <G>

I like Mustang drop tops, too! What a great looking car!
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mr4701 wrote:
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> <...>
>
>> Some people still deny global warming. You cannot convince everyone that
>> GMC's and other American made cars fall apart so easy.
>
> Especially the people like me who have had a Ford for a long time, put
> many, many miles (150k+ mi) on them, and still have them working nicely,
> without major repairs.
>
> Jeff

Same as me saying "its cold in Dallas today" so there is no global warming.
Your truth is not the same for everyone. My father has a 2006 Ford Explorer
and that spent tons of time in the shop. He had a Windstar and Escape also
that had issues.. it was always something... He finally got A Escape Hybrid
but has oathed that if this sugs up, he is not buying another. Dad is one of
those American Pride guys.
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razz wrote:
> Name one manufacture that has a better quality over another. Just a hint,
> it is perceived quality, not true. And I was a Toy mech for a few years, and
> can confidently say they weren't any better, not by a long shot.

Unless you compare actual stats comparing one model to another, all you
can say is that Toyotas has problems like all others. However, there is
no way for you to tell if the problems were less common, more common or
about as common as in other brands.

My dad rebuilt engines for years. I can tell you that Olds, Chevys and
Pontiacs all had their problems. But that is because he got a lot of
business for their dealers.

And the car makers are not very fond of releasing their service
information on their cars for a variety of reasons, mostly competitive
and marketing.

Jeff
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"razz" <razz.RemoveThis@mts.net> wrote in message
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> Name one manufacture that has a better quality over another. Just a hint,
> it is perceived quality, not true. And I was a Toy mech for a few years,
> and
> can confidently say they weren't any better, not by a long shot.
> "Mr4701" <NoExists.RemoveThis@Earth.net> wrote in message

The resell values speak for themselves... Give someone the option to buy a
Camry with 150k on it or a Ford Taurus with 150k on it and they are going to
take the Camry.
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What,'s your point. A Mercedes has a higher resale value also. So what your
saying is, your willing to put out more cash initially for a perceived
quality for a lesser vehicle. Of coarse they have a higher resale value on
them cause they cost more initially. I for one would not buy a Camry ever,
over priced, bland, although a decent power train. But I got a more reliable
08 Fusion over a camry ( according to CR ) which I discount their methods to
begin with, and got much, much, more of a car. And Again I don't buy a
vehicle on the basis of it's resale value, which would be a huge mistake.

"Mr4701" <NoExists.DeleteThis@Earth.net> wrote in message
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> "razz" <razz.DeleteThis@mts.net> wrote in message
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> > Name one manufacture that has a better quality over another. Just a
hint,
> > it is perceived quality, not true. And I was a Toy mech for a few years,
> > and
> > can confidently say they weren't any better, not by a long shot.
> > "Mr4701" <NoExists.DeleteThis@Earth.net> wrote in message
>
> The resell values speak for themselves... Give someone the option to buy a
> Camry with 150k on it or a Ford Taurus with 150k on it and they are going
to
> take the Camry.
>
>
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> "Mr4701" <NoExists.RemoveThis@Earth.net> wrote in message
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>> Some people still deny global warming. You cannot convince everyone that
>> GMC's and other American made cars fall apart so easy.
>>
>
> You certainly cannot convince those who have actual first hand experiences
> over decades. Unlike you, those people rely on more than hyperbole.

Consumer Reports is hyperbole now eh? Interesting. My first hand experience
is seeing 4 Fords spend plenty of time in the shop. Since Toyota, I have not
had one problem.
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"Mr4701" <NoExists RemoveThis @Earth.net> wrote in message
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> Consumer Reports is hyperbole now eh? Interesting. My first hand
> experience is seeing 4 Fords spend plenty of time in the shop. Since
> Toyota, I have not had one problem.
>

CR is nothing less than hyperbole and distortion. God lord dude - what are
you... 19 years old?

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"razz" <razz.DeleteThis@mts.net> wrote in message
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> What,'s your point. A Mercedes has a higher resale value also. So what
> your
> saying is, your willing to put out more cash initially for a perceived
> quality for a lesser vehicle. Of coarse they have a higher resale value on
> them cause they cost more initially. I for one would not buy a Camry ever,
> over priced, bland, although a decent power train. But I got a more
> reliable
> 08 Fusion over a camry ( according to CR ) which I discount their methods
> to
> begin with, and got much, much, more of a car. And Again I don't buy a
> vehicle on the basis of it's resale value, which would be a huge mistake.

My point is when people look for used cars.. they look for ones that are
reliable and last.
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to add to that.. I am not speaking of Mercedes and such. People willing to
buy those are willing to put the money into them even if they go in the
shop.

Pay attention to my next post...
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> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Mr4701 wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> Some people still deny global warming. You cannot convince everyone that
>>> GMC's and other American made cars fall apart so easy.
>>
>> Especially the people like me who have had a Ford for a long time, put
>> many, many miles (150k+ mi) on them, and still have them working nicely,
>> without major repairs.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Same as me saying "its cold in Dallas today" so there is no global
> warming. Your truth is not the same for everyone. My father has a 2006
> Ford Explorer and that spent tons of time in the shop. He had a Windstar
> and Escape also that had issues.. it was always something... He finally
> got A Escape Hybrid but has oathed that if this sugs up, he is not buying
> another. Dad is one of those American Pride guys.
>

I have a '02 Escape, and have had no shop time with it, and I bought it new.
So does that disprove your theory, since mine is fine, but your Dad's
wasn't? Besides, if you really want to get down to it, the Escape is Asian,
being little more than a dressed up (or down, depending on who you talk to)
Mazda Tribute.

Good luck with your ranking on American cars. I'm sure it must bring you
some sort of satisfaction. Personally, I think you're just a troll; posting
in Ford, Chevy, et al newsgroups isn't really proving anything. It's just
rambling to people who don't care what you think. They're happy with what
they drive, or they'd buy something else, just like I would.

Have a great life!
SC Tom
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Per DeserTBoB:
>>Here's one... '98 Suburban.
>
>*groan*...whatta shitbox. How many 4L80E trannies did YOU eat?

I think the grand total of valve body replacements/repairs is 4
so far. Approximately every 30k.

"/repairs" bc the last time around I had an independent shop bore
it out and put in a sleeve of more robust material - which is
supposed tb the "real" fix. Time will tell.

What burned me, though, was discovering how many years the valve
body thing had been a known problem in GM - yet they never fixed
it.

*Major* attitude problem there IMHO - one that tends to undermine
whatever they spin about better quality.
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