Consumer Reports: Asian Cars Better

"Mr4701" <NoExists.RemoveThis@Earth.net> wrote in message
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> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
........

> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average American
> automobile...

It is a three year old article, based on a completely unscientific data
collection scheme, and the difference was still only one half a problem per
car. I can't imagine the result are statistically significant. Therefore
your conclusions aren't either.

Ed
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C. E. White wrote:
> "Mr4701" <NoExists.TakeThisOut@Earth.net> wrote in message
> news:z3Bkj.11901$LN4.3823@trnddc07...
>> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
> .......
>
>> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average
>> American automobile...
>
> It is a three year old article, based on a completely unscientific
> data collection scheme, and the difference was still only one half a
> problem per car. I can't imagine the result are statistically
> significant. Therefore your conclusions aren't either.
>
> Ed

Not to mention, what's a problem?

If I am unhappy with a trim or finish issue, that hardly affects reliability
but is counted as a problem.

Unless such stats are categorized in a meaningful way, they are not even
interesting, let alone useful.
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"Mr4701" <NoExists.TakeThisOut@Earth.net> wrote in message
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> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
>

It demonstrated two things 3 years ago. It's irrelevant today.

Ted
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Mr4701 wrote:
> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
>
> 1. American Car Companies have been forced to start making more reliable
> cars in this decade because American consumers by and large ditched the "buy
> American even if it sucks" motto in the trash.
>
> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average American
> automobile...
>
> Now before any rural country bumpkins go accusing me of being
> anti-American... don't think for a min that I like seeing Michigan become a
> cesspool just because a bunch of tards bought the "buy American at all cost"
> B.S.!
>
> mr4701


The report was made over two years ago. Since then, Toyota had record
numbers of recalls and Consumer Reports decided to no longer
automatically rate new Toyota models are reliable.

Gee, Toyota is as good as they were cracked up to be in the story.

And, America car makers have shown improved quality.

Jeff

> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> http://www6.autonet.ca/News/story.cfm?story=/News/2005/03/07/953108.html
>
> --"Customers reported an average of 17 problems per 100 vehicles for 2004
> models from DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group, Ford Motor Co. and General
> Motors Corp., the magazine (Consumer Reports magazine.) said. That was down
> from 18 problems per 100 in 2003.
>
> Japanese and Korean automakers had a rate of 12 problems per 100 vehicles --
> unchanged in the magazine's last three surveys. European automakers, some of
> whom have battled quality issues in recent years, had 21 problems per 100
> vehicles. That's up from 20 a year ago."--
>
>
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:34:23 +0000, Mr4701 wrote:

> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
>
> 1. American Car Companies have been forced to start making more reliable
> cars in this decade because American consumers by and large ditched the
> "buy American even if it sucks" motto in the trash.
>
> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average American
> automobile...
>
> Now before any rural country bumpkins go accusing me of being
> anti-American... don't think for a min that I like seeing Michigan become
> a cesspool just because a bunch of tards bought the "buy American at all
> cost" B.S.!
>
> mr4701


GM's Shareholders are happy! Even though GM is losing money on car sales
and bad mortgage loans, they *are* making money by selling off divisions.
So, as long as the Shareholders are happy, GM is happy.

But, they can only sell so many divisions before they run out, and then
it'll be tough making money from selling *cars* (imagine that! GM making
money from selling *cars*!!!).
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Hachiroku ��ロク wrote:

> But, they can only sell so many divisions before they run out, and then
> it'll be tough making money from selling *cars* (imagine that! GM making
> money from selling *cars*!!!).
>
>

Maybe they should quit trying to do that, and just sell trucks... they
aren't real good at making cars...
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Per DeserTBoB:
>Sure, there were some 'tards that bought Chevies because they were
>American,

Here's one... '98 Suburban.

And no matter what they spin about GM quality having come up in
recent years, I won't exactly be eager to make the same mistake
again.
--
PeteCresswell
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:45:35 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <x.DeleteThis@y.Invalid>
wrote:

>Per DeserTBoB:
>>Sure, there were some 'tards that bought Chevies because they were
>>American,
>
>Here's one... '98 Suburban.

*groan*...whatta shitbox. How many 4L80E trannies did YOU eat?

>And no matter what they spin about GM quality having come up in
>recent years, I won't exactly be eager to make the same mistake
>again. <snip>

Once bitten, many times shy...good policy, really.

I guess you also won't be voting for any Republicans again anytime
soon, either.
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Good point....

Last summer, I bought an 05 Mustang convertible for my loving bride.... Late
in the summer, we were treated to more than our "usual" share of rain....
All this rain made it difficult to drive with the top down.... not too bad
on the highway, but a real booger in town....

I demanded that this problem be addressed under warranty... and have yet to
have a satisfactory response.... Quite the opposite... they allowed the rain
to turn to snow...... And now it is IMPOSSIBLE to retract the top....

I'll bet that if I had purchased a Japanese convertible, I would have none
of these concerns....


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> C. E. White wrote:
>> "Mr4701" <NoExists DeleteThis @Earth.net> wrote in message
>> news:z3Bkj.11901$LN4.3823@trnddc07...
>>> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
>> .......
>>
>>> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average
>>> American automobile...
>>
>> It is a three year old article, based on a completely unscientific
>> data collection scheme, and the difference was still only one half a
>> problem per car. I can't imagine the result are statistically
>> significant. Therefore your conclusions aren't either.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Not to mention, what's a problem?
>
> If I am unhappy with a trim or finish issue, that hardly affects
> reliability but is counted as a problem.
>
> Unless such stats are categorized in a meaningful way, they are not even
> interesting, let alone useful.
>
>
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Jim Warman wrote:
> Good point....
>
> Last summer, I bought an 05 Mustang convertible for my loving
> bride.... Late in the summer, we were treated to more than our
> "usual" share of rain.... All this rain made it difficult to drive
> with the top down.... not too bad on the highway, but a real booger
> in town....
> I demanded that this problem be addressed under warranty... and have
> yet to have a satisfactory response.... Quite the opposite... they
> allowed the rain to turn to snow...... And now it is IMPOSSIBLE to
> retract the top....
> I'll bet that if I had purchased a Japanese convertible, I would have
> none of these concerns....

My first Canyon ('04) suffered what was a common problem on that first
year's model - missing sealant around the firewall, allowing water into the
cab. Of course that issue hit their problems per hundred stats, but once
fixed is done and has no impact on reliability.

There is no doubt that in general terms the imports have historically been
way in front on fit and finish. That contributes to their better stats.
But that does not translate into reliability.

On another note, resale value is in large part a function of # available,
not just reliable. Because GM has historically moved so many vehicles in
fleet sales, and because they have generally had such a large market share,
all of their vehicles are much more plentiful in the resale market, thereby
pushing down prices, regardless of reliability.

Over the last decade, reliability gaps have narrowed, and continue to do so,
thereby throwing into question the price premium the imports continue to
charge. Yet the perception continues to be that NA cars are substantially
worse.

I am reminded of something I read a couple of years ago, where Saturn owners
surveyed as being much more satisfied with their vehicles and much more
likely to purchase another Saturn than was the case for other NA cars. Yet
the stats showed that they were no better, in some cases worse, than any of
the NA vehicles.

There is a huge perception issue out there that if anything a bigger
problem for Detroit than their actual products.


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>> C. E. White wrote:
>>> "Mr4701" <NoExists.RemoveThis@Earth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:z3Bkj.11901$LN4.3823@trnddc07...
>>>> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
>>>> .......
>>>
>>>> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average
>>>> American automobile...
>>>
>>> It is a three year old article, based on a completely unscientific
>>> data collection scheme, and the difference was still only one half a
>>> problem per car. I can't imagine the result are statistically
>>> significant. Therefore your conclusions aren't either.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Not to mention, what's a problem?
>>
>> If I am unhappy with a trim or finish issue, that hardly affects
>> reliability but is counted as a problem.
>>
>> Unless such stats are categorized in a meaningful way, they are not
>> even interesting, let alone useful.
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Mr4701" <NoExists.RemoveThis@Earth.net> wrote in message
> news:z3Bkj.11901$LN4.3823@trnddc07...
>> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
> .......
>
>> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average
>> American automobile...
>
> It is a three year old article, based on a completely unscientific data
> collection scheme, and the difference was still only one half a problem
> per car. I can't imagine the result are statistically significant.
> Therefore your conclusions aren't either.
>
> Ed

Some people still deny global warming. You cannot convince everyone that
GMC's and other American made cars fall apart so easy.
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"Mr4701" <NoExists RemoveThis @Earth.net> wrote in message
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>
> Some people still deny global warming. You cannot convince everyone that
> GMC's and other American made cars fall apart so easy.
>

You certainly cannot convince those who have actual first hand experiences
over decades. Unlike you, those people rely on more than hyperbole.

--

-Mike-
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mr4701 wrote:
>> This is an article from 2005... and it demonstrates two things...
>>
>> 1. American Car Companies have been forced to start making more reliable
>> cars in this decade because American consumers by and large ditched the
>> "buy American even if it sucks" motto in the trash.
>>
>> 2. Asian cars by and far are still more reliable than the average
>> American automobile...
>>
>> Now before any rural country bumpkins go accusing me of being
>> anti-American... don't think for a min that I like seeing Michigan become
>> a cesspool just because a bunch of tards bought the "buy American at all
>> cost" B.S.!
>>
>> mr4701
>
>
> The report was made over two years ago. Since then, Toyota had record
> numbers of recalls and Consumer Reports decided to no longer automatically
> rate new Toyota models are reliable.
>
> Gee, Toyota is as good as they were cracked up to be in the story.
>
> And, America car makers have shown improved quality.

I agree that American autos have made improved quality.. but its because
folks like I and others stopped buying American and demanding better
quality...
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