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C. E. White

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:22 pm
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I just saw some highlights of the Detroit Auto Show and one of the featured
"all new" Chrysler products was the Aspen full size SUV? I had several
problems with this "concept" -

1) They claimed the Aspen was Chrysler's first SUV. Are they trying to
disown all the Pacifica ads? I'll admit the Pacifica is really just a
squashed mini-van, but I sure seem to recall it being advertised as an SUV.
Of course no one who actually wanted an SUV would go with in 10 miles of
that turkey. But it is a decent, if overpriced, mini-van.

2) They claim it is "full sized." Compared to what? A RAV4? It is just a
warmed over Durango. Since Dodge is constantly calling the Durango the
roomiest SUV in its class, it can't be a full sized SUV, since it is smaller
than all the real full size SUVs (Expedition, Tahoe, Suburban, Sequoia, etc)
and barely larger than an Explorer or Trailblazer. So it reality, this is
just a big mid-sized SUV.

3) Aspen??? That name was already discredited years ago when it was slapped
on those horrible mid-sized sedans. I guess Aspen is better than Volante.

4) Does the world really need a clone of the worst SUV sold in the US?
Slapping a Chrysler grille on that turkey is not going to elevate it to the
status of merely mediocre. I suppose if you want to go fast in a straight
line, the Aspen (LOL) with the hemi fits the bill. Of course in every other
way, it is a turkey.

More marketing genius from Chrysler....

At least the Challenger looks nice. I wonder if they will screw that up?

Ed

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jtchew

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:22 pm
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> 1) They claimed the Aspen was Chrysler's first SUV.

I guess if you define "Chrysler" strictly enough, you get to palm off
not only the Durango but the several generations of the late, lamented
Power Wagon onto Dodge.

> I'll admit the Pacifica is really just a squashed mini-van

Or perhaps what the station wagon evolved into, in a slightly more
orderly parallel universe that bypassed the SUV craze entirely.

Okay, an expensive parallel universe.

It's a handsome vehicle and looks like a real asset to some lifestyles,
but neither instinctively nor after thinking about it would I classify
the Pacifica among SUVs.


> At least the Challenger looks nice. I wonder if they will screw that up?

It sure does. I wonder if an SRT-10 variant is mechanically feasible,
since king-hell engine options were key to the Challenger/Barracuda
tradition (even if most were probably bought with a mild LA-block or a
Slant Six). Hopefully they learned a thing or two from Ford's
revival of the Thunderbird.

--Joe

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Snow

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:06 pm
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> 1) They claimed the Aspen was Chrysler's first SUV. Are they trying to
> disown all the Pacifica ads? I'll admit the Pacifica is really just a
> squashed mini-van, but I sure seem to recall it being advertised as an
> SUV.
> Of course no one who actually wanted an SUV would go with in 10 miles of
> that turkey. But it is a decent, if overpriced, mini-van.

I believe the Pacifica is classed as an XUV or cross-over utility vehicle,
meening its 1/2 way between your Durango and a real stationwagon from days
of yore.

> 2) They claim it is "full sized." Compared to what? A RAV4? It is just a
> warmed over Durango. Since Dodge is constantly calling the Durango the
> roomiest SUV in its class, it can't be a full sized SUV, since it is
> smaller
> than all the real full size SUVs (Expedition, Tahoe, Suburban, Sequoia,
> etc)
> and barely larger than an Explorer or Trailblazer. So it reality, this is
> just a big mid-sized SUV.

If its a copy (rebadged) Durango then would it not be classed as full size??
Last I saw the Durango was/is a full size truck.

> 3) Aspen??? That name was already discredited years ago when it was
> slapped
> on those horrible mid-sized sedans. I guess Aspen is better than Volante.

I know a couple aspen owners who would Love to meet you...lol Oh and one
of them owns a Wagon version.

> More marketing genius from Chrysler....

Probably the same genius who decided to do away with the ole' Jeep Cherokee
due to its old square look only to bring out the new Commander with the ole
Cherokee look.

Snow...
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jtchew

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:47 pm
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> several generations of the late, lamented Power Wagon

Actually the word I was aiming for was Ramcharger, a worthy contender
in the K-Blazer/Big Bronco/SJ-chassis Wagoneer era, though some Power
Wagons were indeed produced in a carryall configuration. (Which
reminds me that Jeep was an acquired scion of Chrysler during the last
several years of the Grand Wagoneer, though again, that long-serving
chassis didn't appear under the Chrysler nameplate.)

Not that it wouldn't be amusing to put 9.00x16 military nondirectionals
on a Pacifica , though. Maybe that'd be the next "dubs" fad!

They've similarly got the technological basis for a *really* full-sized
SUV in their much respected 3/4 ton pickup, but the "Fordzilla" and
the 2500-series Suburban might be at least enough for that market
already.

--Joe
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Dan J.S.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:59 pm
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3 RemoveThis @removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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>I just saw some highlights of the Detroit Auto Show and one of the featured
> "all new" Chrysler products was the Aspen full size SUV? I had several
> problems with this "concept" -
>
> 1) They claimed the Aspen was Chrysler's first SUV. Are they trying to
> disown all the Pacifica ads? I'll admit the Pacifica is really just a
> squashed mini-van, but I sure seem to recall it being advertised as an
> SUV.
> Of course no one who actually wanted an SUV would go with in 10 miles of
> that turkey. But it is a decent, if overpriced, mini-van.
>
> 2) They claim it is "full sized." Compared to what? A RAV4? It is just a
> warmed over Durango. Since Dodge is constantly calling the Durango the
> roomiest SUV in its class, it can't be a full sized SUV, since it is
> smaller
> than all the real full size SUVs (Expedition, Tahoe, Suburban, Sequoia,
> etc)
> and barely larger than an Explorer or Trailblazer. So it reality, this is
> just a big mid-sized SUV.
>
> 3) Aspen??? That name was already discredited years ago when it was
> slapped
> on those horrible mid-sized sedans. I guess Aspen is better than Volante.
>
> 4) Does the world really need a clone of the worst SUV sold in the US?
> Slapping a Chrysler grille on that turkey is not going to elevate it to
> the
> status of merely mediocre. I suppose if you want to go fast in a straight
> line, the Aspen (LOL) with the hemi fits the bill. Of course in every
> other
> way, it is a turkey.
>
> More marketing genius from Chrysler....
>
> At least the Challenger looks nice. I wonder if they will screw that up?
>
> Ed
>
>

Chrysler is profitable. So they are doing something right. GM and Ford -
they are betting on more large SUVs...

and I agree - Challenger is hot. I am getting one.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:52 pm
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Careful now. All negative comments are being discouraged while the North American Auto Show is in progress. Every decision they make is for a good reason nobody else has figured out yet.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:35 pm
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Its Volare, you forgot the "e". vo-lar-e .

Snow...
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:55 pm
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"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern DeleteThis @127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>"Ja, ve understand diss American mahh-ket. Ve vill mahh-ket stupidisch
> American-brand ess-yoo-fee for de stupidisch American con-soo-mahh. NOW
> IST DE TIME ON SCHPROCKETS VEN VE DANCE!"

Ever notice the pronunciation of "Chrysler" has become "Chryzler"? This is
with English speaking commercial announcers.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:06 pm
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, John Smith wrote:

> Ever notice the pronunciation of "Chrysler" has become "Chryzler"? This
> is with English speaking commercial announcers.

In Canada and Australia, it's always been "Kryzler" with the first
syllable's vowel the same as in the word "cry"; the US pronunciation is
variable by region but tends towards "Kreissler", with the first
syllable's vowel the same as in the word "fight".
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:55 pm
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"Dan J.S." <me DeleteThis @hyperx.com> wrote in message
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> Chrysler is profitable. So they are doing something right. GM and Ford -
> they are betting on more large SUVs...
>
> and I agree - Challenger is hot. I am getting one.

Chrysler's bread and butter is the Caravan. If I were buying a minivan I'd
probably buy one.

But they are slowly losing ground to the Toyota and Honda vans.

The market will eventually get saturated with 300's (and related) and they
won't be selling them in record numbers. If they lose the minivan they will
lose what market share they have.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:55 pm
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"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern DeleteThis @127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, John Smith wrote:
>
>> Ever notice the pronunciation of "Chrysler" has become "Chryzler"? This
>> is with English speaking commercial announcers.
>
> In Canada and Australia, it's always been "Kryzler" with the first
> syllable's vowel the same as in the word "cry"; the US pronunciation is
> variable by region but tends towards "Kreissler", with the first
> syllable's vowel the same as in the word "fight".


Round this part of Canada people have always called it "Kreissler" but only
recently have ads popped up around here that are "Kryzzler"
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:50 am
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> VoLAR?...wo-WO! VoLAR?...wo-wo-wee-oh!

Oh, God, somebody else whose brain cells have devoted themselves
unbidden to an audio memory of the commercial. Bet you can also
retrieve the guy half speaking/half singing, in the vaguely British
way that is supposed to make us think of Down East old money,
"Unbelievable that Aspen has a wagon..."

Could be worse. I seem to recall some make-fun-of-newspaper-gaffes
column (maybe in Columbia Journalism Review?) that caught some concert
reviewer mentioning "Me And My Arrow." Presumably he meant "Me And My
Shadow," though I suppose there is some horrifyingly finite possibility
that the performer actually emitted a Plymouth commercial onstage...

Joe "Sympathies" Chew
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:28 am
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Dan J.S. <me.TakeThisOut@hyperx.com> writes:

> and I agree - Challenger is hot. I am getting one.


Ain't it a beaut? I just saw the photos of it in the
current issue of _Automobile_.

What I don't get is why the Challenger (and Barracuda)
have always been classified as "pony cars" and lumped
into the same category as the Mustang and the GM F-body.
They aren't pony cars; they're intermediates. And the
same applies to the AMC Javelin and AMX.



Geoff

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:50 am
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Ad absurdum per aspera wrote:

>> VoLAR?...wo-WO! VoLAR?...wo-wo-wee-oh!
>
> Oh, God, somebody else whose brain cells have devoted themselves
> unbidden to an audio memory of the commercial.

Actually, I was recollecting the song "Volare", as sung by a great many
(too many?) performers over the years, including, fairly recently, the
Gypsy Kings.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:00 pm
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If they can slap a Hemi sticker on it, it will sell.
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