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MoPar Man

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:38 pm
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Can anyone explain why there is no $20 Chiltons or Haynes (or
equivalent) service / repair manual for 1999 - 2004 LH body cars?

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Bill Putney

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:35 am
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MoPar Man wrote:
> Can anyone explain why there is no $20 Chiltons or Haynes (or
> equivalent) service / repair manual for 1999 - 2004 LH body cars?

I wouldn't know from first-hand looking because I never use aftermarket
shop manuals, but I see references to Haynes for 2nd gen. LH cars on
www.dodgeintrepid.net all the time. I did see a post that said that the
2nd gen. Haynes manual covers from '98 thru '03 (not listing '04).

Are you specifically pointing out the exclusion of '04? If you are
determined to use Haynes, I wouldn't let that stop you. There are more
differences between '01 and '02 than between '02, '03, and '04, so them
leaving the '04 off probably has as much to do with the release of the
manual before the '04 was out than any gross discrepancies that will be
between the manual and the '04 vehicle.

If they do their usual "typical" schematics, I assure you they will be
just as useless for certain other years as for the '04 since moderately
significant electrical changes occurred between '01 and '02. IOW,
electrically, the '04 will be more like the '02 and '03 than it will be
like the pre-'02 years.

But this emphasizes why I don't use aftermarket manuals. I got burned
too many times relying on the "typical" schematics. (When it comes to
using schematics in troubleshooting, you can substitute the word
"worthless" for "typical" if you don't know which areas are accurate and
which areas have been changed - either the schematic describes the
vehicle's electricals or it doesn't.)

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:01 pm
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Bill Putney wrote:

> > Can anyone explain why there is no $20 Chiltons or Haynes (or
> > equivalent) service / repair manual for 1999 - 2004 LH body
> > cars?
>
> I wouldn't know from first-hand looking because I never use
> aftermarket shop manuals,

While I have the factory service manuals for several of my older Dodge
and Plymouth cars, there is likely nothing in the $100 300M Chrysler
FSM that I would likely need or use that I wouldn't find in the $20
aftermarket manuals.

I wouldn't be taking my 300's engine or transmission apart, for
example, but I wouldn't mind seeing some clear pictures or diagrams on
how to flush the coolant out or battery replacement.

> but I see references to Haynes for 2nd gen. LH cars on
> www.dodgeintrepid.net all the time.

Yes, I see now that there is a Haynes book for 1998-2003 LH. For the
first 4 or 5 years of owning the 300 I've looked for such a book at
the various auto parts stores I've been in around here - and have
never seen that book (or any other book) for the 300m.

> Are you specifically pointing out the exclusion of '04?

No, just the '00 300m.

But I wonder why they framed that book to cover 1998 to 2003. I
thought the "new" LH line started in 1999 with the 300m, and spanned
until 2004 with the last 300m.

> But this emphasizes why I don't use aftermarket manuals.
> I got burned too many times relying on the "typical"
> schematics.

I found that a Haynes (or Chilton's?) manual that was supposed to
cover my 2001 Dodge Ram was also quite wrong about the wiring of the
Ram (specifically, the instrument cluster).
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Bill Putney

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:32 pm
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MoPar Man wrote:
> Bill Putney wrote:
>
>>> Can anyone explain why there is no $20 Chiltons or Haynes (or
>>> equivalent) service / repair manual for 1999 - 2004 LH body
>>> cars?
>> I wouldn't know from first-hand looking because I never use
>> aftermarket shop manuals,
>
> While I have the factory service manuals for several of my older Dodge
> and Plymouth cars, there is likely nothing in the $100 300M Chrysler
> FSM that I would likely need or use that I wouldn't find in the $20
> aftermarket manuals.
>
> I wouldn't be taking my 300's engine or transmission apart, for
> example, but I wouldn't mind seeing some clear pictures or diagrams on
> how to flush the coolant out or battery replacement.
>
>> but I see references to Haynes for 2nd gen. LH cars on
>> www.dodgeintrepid.net all the time.
>
> Yes, I see now that there is a Haynes book for 1998-2003 LH. For the
> first 4 or 5 years of owning the 300 I've looked for such a book at
> the various auto parts stores I've been in around here - and have
> never seen that book (or any other book) for the 300m.
>
>> Are you specifically pointing out the exclusion of '04?
>
> No, just the '00 300m.
>
> But I wonder why they framed that book to cover 1998 to 2003. I
> thought the "new" LH line started in 1999 with the 300m, and spanned
> until 2004 with the last 300m.

The 2nd gen. LH line started with MY '98 - for example - I own a '98
Concorde (as well as a '99). The 300M production started in late '98
MY, but it was called '99 (there is no 300M designated as '98 even
though their production started before the traditional '99 production year).

AS I said, they probably published the Haynes long before the '04 MY,
and designated it as covering thru MY '03. We can only speculate as to
why - maybe they weren't sure in advance what year was going to be the last.

>> But this emphasizes why I don't use aftermarket manuals.
>> I got burned too many times relying on the "typical"
>> schematics.
>
> I found that a Haynes (or Chilton's?) manual that was supposed to
> cover my 2001 Dodge Ram was also quite wrong about the wiring of the
> Ram (specifically, the instrument cluster).

That was my point about the schematics being worthless. So as long as
you don't want to do any electrical work...

There is the www.alldata.com subscription. But your $20 will only buy
you one year's subscription, and it is not the complete FSM. But with
that, you would get the actual 100% complete factory schematics specific
to your year, PLUS you would get access to all TSB's that apply to your car.

FSM's do show up on ebay.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:08 am
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On May 19, 6:32 pm, Bill Putney <b....TakeThisOut@kinez.net> wrote:
> MoPar Man wrote:
> > Bill Putney wrote:
>
> >>> Can anyone explain why there is no $20 Chiltons or Haynes (or
> >>> equivalent) service / repair manual for 1999 - 2004 LH body
> >>> cars?
> >> I wouldn't know from first-hand looking because I never use
> >> aftermarket shop manuals,
>
> > While I have the factory service manuals for several of my older Dodge
> > and Plymouth cars, there is likely nothing in the $100 300M Chrysler
> > FSM that I would likely need or use that I wouldn't find in the $20
> > aftermarket manuals.
>
> > I wouldn't be taking my 300's engine or transmission apart, for
> > example, but I wouldn't mind seeing some clear pictures or diagrams on
> > how to flush the coolant out or battery replacement.
>
> >> but I see references to Haynes for 2nd gen. LH cars on
> >>www.dodgeintrepid.netall the time.  
>
> > Yes, I see now that there is a Haynes book for 1998-2003 LH.  For the
> > first 4 or 5 years of owning the 300 I've looked for such a book at
> > the various auto parts stores I've been in around here - and have
> > never seen that book (or any other book) for the 300m.
>
> >> Are you specifically pointing out the exclusion of '04?  
>
> > No, just the '00 300m.
>
> > But I wonder why they framed that book to cover 1998 to 2003.  I
> > thought the "new" LH line started in 1999 with the 300m, and spanned
> > until 2004 with the last 300m.
>
> The 2nd gen. LH line started with MY '98 - for example - I own a '98
> Concorde (as well as a '99).  The 300M production started in late '98
> MY, but it was called '99 (there is no 300M designated as '98 even
> though their production started before the traditional '99 production year).
>
> AS I said, they probably published the Haynes long before the '04 MY,
> and designated it as covering thru MY '03.  We can only speculate as to
> why - maybe they weren't sure in advance what year was going to be the last.
>
> >> But this emphasizes why I don't use aftermarket manuals.
> >> I got burned too many times relying on the "typical"
> >> schematics.  
>
> > I found that a Haynes (or Chilton's?) manual that was supposed to
> > cover my 2001 Dodge Ram was also quite wrong about the wiring of the
> > Ram (specifically, the instrument cluster).
>
> That was my point about the schematics being worthless.  So as long as
> you don't want to do any electrical work...
>
> There is thewww.alldata.comsubscription.  But your $20 will only buy
> you one year's subscription, and it is not the complete FSM.  But with
> that, you would get the actual 100% complete factory schematics specific
> to your year, PLUS you would get access to all TSB's that apply to your car.
>
> FSM's do show up on ebay.
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with the letter 'x')- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:12 am
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On May 19, 6:32 pm, Bill Putney <b....RemoveThis@kinez.net> wrote:
> MoPar Man wrote:
> > Bill Putney wrote:
>
> >>> Can anyone explain why there is no $20 Chiltons or Haynes (or
> >>> equivalent) service / repair manual for 1999 - 2004 LH body
> >>> cars?
> >> I wouldn't know from first-hand looking because I never use
> >> aftermarket shop manuals,
>
> > While I have the factory service manuals for several of my older Dodge
> > and Plymouth cars, there is likely nothing in the $100 300M Chrysler
> > FSM that I would likely need or use that I wouldn't find in the $20
> > aftermarket manuals.
>
> > I wouldn't be taking my 300's engine or transmission apart, for
> > example, but I wouldn't mind seeing some clear pictures or diagrams on
> > how to flush the coolant out or battery replacement.
>
> >> but I see references to Haynes for 2nd gen. LH cars on
> >>www.dodgeintrepid.netall the time.  
>
> > Yes, I see now that there is a Haynes book for 1998-2003 LH.  For the
> > first 4 or 5 years of owning the 300 I've looked for such a book at
> > the various auto parts stores I've been in around here - and have
> > never seen that book (or any other book) for the 300m.
>
> >> Are you specifically pointing out the exclusion of '04?  
>
> > No, just the '00 300m.
>
> > But I wonder why they framed that book to cover 1998 to 2003.  I
> > thought the "new" LH line started in 1999 with the 300m, and spanned
> > until 2004 with the last 300m.
>
> The 2nd gen. LH line started with MY '98 - for example - I own a '98
> Concorde (as well as a '99).  The 300M production started in late '98
> MY, but it was called '99 (there is no 300M designated as '98 even
> though their production started before the traditional '99 production year).
>
> AS I said, they probably published the Haynes long before the '04 MY,
> and designated it as covering thru MY '03.  We can only speculate as to
> why - maybe they weren't sure in advance what year was going to be the last.
>
> >> But this emphasizes why I don't use aftermarket manuals.
> >> I got burned too many times relying on the "typical"
> >> schematics.  
>
> > I found that a Haynes (or Chilton's?) manual that was supposed to
> > cover my 2001 Dodge Ram was also quite wrong about the wiring of the
> > Ram (specifically, the instrument cluster).
>
> That was my point about the schematics being worthless.  So as long as
> you don't want to do any electrical work...
>
> There is thewww.alldata.comsubscription.  But your $20 will only buy
> you one year's subscription, and it is not the complete FSM.  But with
> that, you would get the actual 100% complete factory schematics specific
> to your year, PLUS you would get access to all TSB's that apply to your car.
>
> FSM's do show up on ebay.
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with the letter 'x')- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I finally went with an alldata subscription. It gave me most of what I
needed, and a one year subscription was less than the FSM. Also, all
of the recall notices, and service bulletins are also included.

I was hoping that once FSM's started showing up on CD's, the price
would come down, but not so.

In 1975, I bought a FSM for my 1964 Plymouth, and it was only $5.00.
Now they are around $100. Used ones can be less depending on supply
and demand.

KM
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