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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:55 am
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:28 am
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All of the locks on the car are operated through a mechanical action when
they are operated locally (with the key). The key turns the lock and the
latch is locked or unlocked. The lock mechanism strikes a switch depending
on which way you twist the key. By your description, your doors work
properly -- the other door locks or unlocks, as the case may be.
Operating the other locks remotely is an electrical action. The key turns
the lock, which strikes a switch to operate the remaining locks. By your
description, both doors will lock or unlock the other door but never operate
the hatch, and the hatch will operate the doors for one operation but not
the other.
My guess is, the hatch solenoid is not working because neither door will
operate the hatch lock, and the hatch lock has one of two switches with a
sticky linkage that affects the switch operation. A malfunctioning hatch
lock will cause the doors to lock but not unlock, or vice versa. And the
malfunctioning solenoid in the hatch will cause the hatch lock to not
respond to the door locks. All of your problems are in the hatch.
"Glenn" <fake DeleteThis @faked.com> wrote in message
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>I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors
> but not unlock them. And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any
> ideas?
>
>
> Thank you in advance to any and all suggestions.
>
> Glenn |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:28 am
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:19:56 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>All of the locks on the car are operated through a mechanical action when
>they are operated locally (with the key). The key turns the lock and the
>latch is locked or unlocked. The lock mechanism strikes a switch depending
>on which way you twist the key. By your description, your doors work
>properly -- the other door locks or unlocks, as the case may be.
>
>Operating the other locks remotely is an electrical action. The key turns
>the lock, which strikes a switch to operate the remaining locks. By your
>description, both doors will lock or unlock the other door but never operate
>the hatch, and the hatch will operate the doors for one operation but not
>the other.
>
>My guess is, the hatch solenoid is not working because neither door will
>operate the hatch lock, and the hatch lock has one of two switches with a
>sticky linkage that affects the switch operation. A malfunctioning hatch
>lock will cause the doors to lock but not unlock, or vice versa. And the
>malfunctioning solenoid in the hatch will cause the hatch lock to not
>respond to the door locks. All of your problems are in the hatch.
>
>
>
>
>"Glenn" <fake DeleteThis @faked.com> wrote in message
>news:fake-DDA90B.20553521062008@shawnews.cg.shawcable.net...
>>I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors
>> but not unlock them. And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any
>> ideas?
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance to any and all suggestions.
>>
>> Glenn
Had similar problem on a Rover and it turned out to be a copper contact inside
the lock itself that had got bent out of shape and would not register if the
lock was "there" to be locked or opened or what the state was - open or locked.
I simply bent it back and never had a problem with it for a further 3 years.
Just a thought. or the wires going to the lock solenoid could be broken or
disconnected?
--
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
Hugh Gundersen
hsg DeleteThis @h-gee.co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:03 am
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"Glenn" <fake.DeleteThis@faked.com> wrote in message
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>I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors
> but not unlock them.
Probably a fault.
> And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any ideas?
Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct
operation). Turn lock to normal.
>
>
> Thank you in advance to any and all suggestions.
>
> Glenn >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:22 pm
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"R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct
> operation). Turn lock to normal.
>
There's a good call.
I forgot to mention that the hatch (trunk lid or boot on a sedan or coupe)
can be locked so that it does not respond to the door locks. If the hatch
lock is horizontal, then the hatch will lock and unlock with the doors, if
the hatch lock is vertical, then it will operate by input from the doors. >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:31 pm
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Thank you VERY much for the help. Now I know where to look. I can skin
the hatch door myself and see if I can't "see" the problem or just
change out the offending parts.
Thanks again
Glenn
In article <Mpk7k.119435$G33.19957@trnddc03>,
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:
> All of the locks on the car are operated through a mechanical action when
> they are operated locally (with the key). The key turns the lock and the
> latch is locked or unlocked. The lock mechanism strikes a switch depending
> on which way you twist the key. By your description, your doors work
> properly -- the other door locks or unlocks, as the case may be.
>
> Operating the other locks remotely is an electrical action. The key turns
> the lock, which strikes a switch to operate the remaining locks. By your
> description, both doors will lock or unlock the other door but never operate
> the hatch, and the hatch will operate the doors for one operation but not
> the other.
>
> My guess is, the hatch solenoid is not working because neither door will
> operate the hatch lock, and the hatch lock has one of two switches with a
> sticky linkage that affects the switch operation. A malfunctioning hatch
> lock will cause the doors to lock but not unlock, or vice versa. And the
> malfunctioning solenoid in the hatch will cause the hatch lock to not
> respond to the door locks. All of your problems are in the hatch.
>
>
>
>
> "Glenn" <fake RemoveThis @faked.com> wrote in message
> news:fake-DDA90B.20553521062008@shawnews.cg.shawcable.net...
> >I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors
> > but not unlock them. And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any
> > ideas?
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance to any and all suggestions.
> >
> > Glenn >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:33 pm
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Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. It looks like the answer
is in my hatch and likely the locking mechanism.
Cheers!
Glenn
In article <j43s54dqlud64kjekfnqnieihr60b54o8a.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
hsg.DeleteThis@h-gee.co.uk wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:19:56 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr.DeleteThis@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >All of the locks on the car are operated through a mechanical action when
> >they are operated locally (with the key). The key turns the lock and the
> >latch is locked or unlocked. The lock mechanism strikes a switch depending
> >on which way you twist the key. By your description, your doors work
> >properly -- the other door locks or unlocks, as the case may be.
> >
> >Operating the other locks remotely is an electrical action. The key turns
> >the lock, which strikes a switch to operate the remaining locks. By your
> >description, both doors will lock or unlock the other door but never operate
> >the hatch, and the hatch will operate the doors for one operation but not
> >the other.
> >
> >My guess is, the hatch solenoid is not working because neither door will
> >operate the hatch lock, and the hatch lock has one of two switches with a
> >sticky linkage that affects the switch operation. A malfunctioning hatch
> >lock will cause the doors to lock but not unlock, or vice versa. And the
> >malfunctioning solenoid in the hatch will cause the hatch lock to not
> >respond to the door locks. All of your problems are in the hatch.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Glenn" <fake.DeleteThis@faked.com> wrote in message
> >news:fake-DDA90B.20553521062008@shawnews.cg.shawcable.net...
> >>I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors
> >> but not unlock them. And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any
> >> ideas?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance to any and all suggestions.
> >>
> >> Glenn
>
> Had similar problem on a Rover and it turned out to be a copper contact
> inside
> the lock itself that had got bent out of shape and would not register if the
> lock was "there" to be locked or opened or what the state was - open or
> locked.
> I simply bent it back and never had a problem with it for a further 3 years.
>
> Just a thought. or the wires going to the lock solenoid could be broken or
> disconnected? >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:34 pm
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I know what the deadlock position is and its in the middle. This happens
when its supposed to be "free" to lock or unlock. I now believe its in
the lock area in the hatch so I will get in there and find it.
Thank you for the reply.
Glenn
In article <G--dnWo69LfmvsPVnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d RemoveThis @bt.com>,
"R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton RemoveThis @btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Glenn" <fake RemoveThis @faked.com> wrote in message
> news:fake-DDA90B.20553521062008@shawnews.cg.shawcable.net...
> >I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors
> > but not unlock them.
>
> Probably a fault.
>
>
> > And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any ideas?
>
> Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct
> operation). Turn lock to normal.
>
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance to any and all suggestions.
> >
> > Glenn >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:35 pm
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I know about the horizontal position as I now have to use it to keep it
locked. I want it back to normal where it changes state with the door
locks.
Thanks again.
Glenn
In article <Lms7k.302$zE6.205@trnddc02>,
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:
> "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:G--dnWo69LfmvsPVnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@bt.com...
> >
> > Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct
> > operation). Turn lock to normal.
> >
>
> There's a good call.
>
> I forgot to mention that the hatch (trunk lid or boot on a sedan or coupe)
> can be locked so that it does not respond to the door locks. If the hatch
> lock is horizontal, then the hatch will lock and unlock with the doors, if
> the hatch lock is vertical, then it will operate by input from the doors. >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:46 pm
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Good luck.
I took my driver side door lacth out because the window did not drop and
raise properly, and found the defective switch. There are three switches on
the door latches, my guess is there are two on the hatch latch. I'm not so
interested in unlocking the doors from the trunk, but I like locking the
doors from there, and unlocking the trunk from the door.
One thing you might find is a broken wire in the bundle that passes between
the body and the hatch. As you open and close the hatch, there is a wire
bundle that flexes, and a flexed wire will eventually break.
"Glenn" <fake DeleteThis @faked.com> wrote in message
news:fake-E891EA.14344122062008@shawnews.cg.shawcable.net...
>I know what the deadlock position is and its in the middle. This happens
> when its supposed to be "free" to lock or unlock. I now believe its in
> the lock area in the hatch so I will get in there and find it.
>
> Thank you for the reply.
>
> Glenn
>
>
> In article <G--dnWo69LfmvsPVnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d DeleteThis @bt.com>,
> "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> "Glenn" <fake DeleteThis @faked.com> wrote in message
>> news:fake-DDA90B.20553521062008@shawnews.cg.shawcable.net...
>> >I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors
>> > but not unlock them.
>>
>> Probably a fault.
>>
>>
>> > And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any ideas?
>>
>> Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct
>> operation). Turn lock to normal.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you in advance to any and all suggestions.
>> >
>> > Glenn >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:15 pm
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:G--dnWo69LfmvsPVnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors
>> (correct operation). Turn lock to normal.
>>
>
> There's a good call.
>
> I forgot to mention that the hatch (trunk lid or boot on a sedan or
> coupe) can be locked so that it does not respond to the door locks. If
> the hatch lock is horizontal, then the hatch will lock and unlock with
> the doors, if the hatch lock is vertical, then it will operate by
> input from the doors.
>
>
>
>
Ah - so you CAN bottom post - well done old chap! >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:15 pm
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
> Good luck.
>
> I took my driver side door lacth out because the window did not drop
> and raise properly, and found the defective switch. There are three
> switches on the door latches, my guess is there are two on the hatch
> latch. I'm not so interested in unlocking the doors from the trunk,
> but I like locking the doors from there, and unlocking the trunk from
> the door.
>
> One thing you might find is a broken wire in the bundle that passes
> between the body and the hatch. As you open and close the hatch, there
> is a wire bundle that flexes, and a flexed wire will eventually break.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Glenn" <fake DeleteThis @faked.com> wrote in message
> news:fake-E891EA.14344122062008@shawnews.cg.shawcable.net...
>> I know what the deadlock position is and its in the middle. This happens
>> when its supposed to be "free" to lock or unlock. I now believe its in
>> the lock area in the hatch so I will get in there and find it.
>>
>> Thank you for the reply.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>> In article <G--dnWo69LfmvsPVnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d DeleteThis @bt.com>,
>> "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Glenn" <fake DeleteThis @faked.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fake-DDA90B.20553521062008@shawnews.cg.shawcable.net...
>>> >I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the
>>> doors
>>> > but not unlock them.
>>>
>>> Probably a fault.
>>>
>>>
>>> > And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct
>>> operation). Turn lock to normal.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thank you in advance to any and all suggestions.
>>> >
>>> > Glenn
>
Or perhaps not >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:11 pm
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"DCA" <dca860MAPS.DeleteThis@yahooMAPS.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton.DeleteThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:G--dnWo69LfmvsPVnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>> Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct
>>> operation). Turn lock to normal.
>>>
>>
>> There's a good call.
>>
>> I forgot to mention that the hatch (trunk lid or boot on a sedan or
>> coupe) can be locked so that it does not respond to the door locks. If
>> the hatch lock is horizontal, then the hatch will lock and unlock with
>> the doors, if the hatch lock is vertical, then it will operate by input
>> from the doors.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Ah - so you CAN bottom post - well done old chap!
Of course I can bottom post, but my news reader defaults to posting on top,
and when one can read the entire original post and my reply all in one
screen, I see no reason to even care about top posting. I am a rude son of a
bitch though, and it bothers me not to suggest that you are far too anal.
Try posting something that is relevant, and I might change my position --
but I doubt it. >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:13 pm
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"DCA" <dca860MAPS.TakeThisOut@yahooMAPS.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Or perhaps not
I can't help but notice that it is only important that I not top post, when
others post on top and I merely follow the lead, you get in my face. What a
jerk yo uare! >> Stay informed about: Central locking problem / question |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:17 am
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
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> "DCA" <dca860MAPS.DeleteThis@yahooMAPS.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:SnU7k.39390$7m7.22746@newsfe30.ams2...
>>>
>> Or perhaps not
>
>
> I can't help but notice that it is only important that I not top post,
> when others post on top and I merely follow the lead, you get in my
> face. What a jerk yo uare!
>
>
>
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