Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids...

Very interesting!

Thanks. So it seems that the turbine engine is very inefficient.




cselby DeleteThis @mts.net wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2006 14:44:29 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In the past, Chrysler had an experimental turbina engine. It even made
> >a few rounds around a major American race - I believe it ws some Indy
> >500. The turbine engined vehicle delivered exceptional economy, had
> >tremendous power (at a very high RPM), and they are very simply
> >designed. The only problem with turbined engines is that they only
> >work efficiently at high speeds.
> >
>
>
> Your half right. The engine produced exceptional power but couldn't
> pass a gas station. It was a pig on fuel.
>
> Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

Very interesting!

Thanks. So it seems that the turbine engine is very inefficient.




cselby.TakeThisOut@mts.net wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2006 14:44:29 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In the past, Chrysler had an experimental turbina engine. It even made
> >a few rounds around a major American race - I believe it ws some Indy
> >500. The turbine engined vehicle delivered exceptional economy, had
> >tremendous power (at a very high RPM), and they are very simply
> >designed. The only problem with turbined engines is that they only
> >work efficiently at high speeds.
> >
>
>
> Your half right. The engine produced exceptional power but couldn't
> pass a gas station. It was a pig on fuel.
>
> Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

On 19 Nov 2006 14:44:29 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In the past, Chrysler had an experimental turbina engine. It even made
>a few rounds around a major American race - I believe it ws some Indy
>500. The turbine engined vehicle delivered exceptional economy, had
>tremendous power (at a very high RPM), and they are very simply
>designed. The only problem with turbined engines is that they only
>work efficiently at high speeds.
>


Your half right. The engine produced exceptional power but couldn't
pass a gas station. It was a pig on fuel.

Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

On 19 Nov 2006 14:44:29 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In the past, Chrysler had an experimental turbina engine. It even made
>a few rounds around a major American race - I believe it ws some Indy
>500. The turbine engined vehicle delivered exceptional economy, had
>tremendous power (at a very high RPM), and they are very simply
>designed. The only problem with turbined engines is that they only
>work efficiently at high speeds.
>


Your half right. The engine produced exceptional power but couldn't
pass a gas station. It was a pig on fuel.

Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

On 19 Nov 2006 14:44:29 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In the past, Chrysler had an experimental turbina engine. It even made
>a few rounds around a major American race - I believe it ws some Indy
>500. The turbine engined vehicle delivered exceptional economy, had
>tremendous power (at a very high RPM), and they are very simply
>designed. The only problem with turbined engines is that they only
>work efficiently at high speeds.
>


Your half right. The engine produced exceptional power but couldn't
pass a gas station. It was a pig on fuel.

Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

Given that the turbine is great at a constant RPM, why not reserve the
use of turbines at steady-state conditions (i.e. in a freight liner)?



cselby.TakeThisOut@mts.net wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2006 18:10:38 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Very interesting!
> >
> >Thanks. So it seems that the turbine engine is very inefficient.
> >
> >
> >
> Actually, the engine is quite efficient at constant speed in aircraft.
> It is lighter and goes farther per gallon than a piston engine of
> comparable HP. The variable speeds in a car made the engine a pig
> with long hesitations on acceleration. Not to mention the
> unacceptable whine.
>
> When Chrysler built the dressed up eary 60's Plymouth Valiant with a
> turbine as a test bed, it wound up being showcased in a movie road
> race. Doug McClure co-stared in the movie a beach blanket crowd of
> characters.
>
> Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

Given that the turbine is great at a constant RPM, why not reserve the
use of turbines at steady-state conditions (i.e. in a freight liner)?



cselby RemoveThis @mts.net wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2006 18:10:38 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Very interesting!
> >
> >Thanks. So it seems that the turbine engine is very inefficient.
> >
> >
> >
> Actually, the engine is quite efficient at constant speed in aircraft.
> It is lighter and goes farther per gallon than a piston engine of
> comparable HP. The variable speeds in a car made the engine a pig
> with long hesitations on acceleration. Not to mention the
> unacceptable whine.
>
> When Chrysler built the dressed up eary 60's Plymouth Valiant with a
> turbine as a test bed, it wound up being showcased in a movie road
> race. Doug McClure co-stared in the movie a beach blanket crowd of
> characters.
>
> Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

Given that the turbine is great at a constant RPM, why not reserve the
use of turbines at steady-state conditions (i.e. in a freight liner)?



cselby.RemoveThis@mts.net wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2006 18:10:38 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Very interesting!
> >
> >Thanks. So it seems that the turbine engine is very inefficient.
> >
> >
> >
> Actually, the engine is quite efficient at constant speed in aircraft.
> It is lighter and goes farther per gallon than a piston engine of
> comparable HP. The variable speeds in a car made the engine a pig
> with long hesitations on acceleration. Not to mention the
> unacceptable whine.
>
> When Chrysler built the dressed up eary 60's Plymouth Valiant with a
> turbine as a test bed, it wound up being showcased in a movie road
> race. Doug McClure co-stared in the movie a beach blanket crowd of
> characters.
>
> Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

On 19 Nov 2006 18:10:38 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Very interesting!
>
>Thanks. So it seems that the turbine engine is very inefficient.
>
>
>
Actually, the engine is quite efficient at constant speed in aircraft.
It is lighter and goes farther per gallon than a piston engine of
comparable HP. The variable speeds in a car made the engine a pig
with long hesitations on acceleration. Not to mention the
unacceptable whine.

When Chrysler built the dressed up eary 60's Plymouth Valiant with a
turbine as a test bed, it wound up being showcased in a movie road
race. Doug McClure co-stared in the movie a beach blanket crowd of
characters.

Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

On 19 Nov 2006 18:10:38 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Very interesting!
>
>Thanks. So it seems that the turbine engine is very inefficient.
>
>
>
Actually, the engine is quite efficient at constant speed in aircraft.
It is lighter and goes farther per gallon than a piston engine of
comparable HP. The variable speeds in a car made the engine a pig
with long hesitations on acceleration. Not to mention the
unacceptable whine.

When Chrysler built the dressed up eary 60's Plymouth Valiant with a
turbine as a test bed, it wound up being showcased in a movie road
race. Doug McClure co-stared in the movie a beach blanket crowd of
characters.

Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

On 19 Nov 2006 18:10:38 -0800, "Brablo" <gestureofrespect.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Very interesting!
>
>Thanks. So it seems that the turbine engine is very inefficient.
>
>
>
Actually, the engine is quite efficient at constant speed in aircraft.
It is lighter and goes farther per gallon than a piston engine of
comparable HP. The variable speeds in a car made the engine a pig
with long hesitations on acceleration. Not to mention the
unacceptable whine.

When Chrysler built the dressed up eary 60's Plymouth Valiant with a
turbine as a test bed, it wound up being showcased in a movie road
race. Doug McClure co-stared in the movie a beach blanket crowd of
characters.

Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

From what I know, turbine-powered cars were experimented with as far
back as the 1950s. There were some notable problems. It took a long
time for a gas turbine to "spin up" before it could produce power, and
turbines don't like to be throttled -- they work best when run at a
constant speed.

A small gas turbine might make a lot of sense in a series hybrid
vehicle. It could be more efficient than a piston engine, it could
produce more power in a lightweight package, and it could be adapted to
multi-fuel usage pretty easily. In a hybrid the engine can run at a
constant speed (because all it does is run a generator), and the
spin-up time is no concern.

If hybrids catch on widely, and especially plug-in hybrids, then I
wouldn't be surprised to see turbine engines experimented with again at
some point -- or maybe some other types of engines, such as
Wankel/Rotapower. But I don't expect it to happen for a while because
reciprocating piston engines are what car companies already have, and
it's what they already know. They already feel they are venturing into
risky territory with an electric drivetrain, so adding an
unconventional engine is probably far from their minds right now.

--
Tony Belding, Hamilton Texas
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids... 

From what I know, turbine-powered cars were experimented with as far
back as the 1950s. There were some notable problems. It took a long
time for a gas turbine to "spin up" before it could produce power, and
turbines don't like to be throttled -- they work best when run at a
constant speed.

A small gas turbine might make a lot of sense in a series hybrid
vehicle. It could be more efficient than a piston engine, it could
produce more power in a lightweight package, and it could be adapted to
multi-fuel usage pretty easily. In a hybrid the engine can run at a
constant speed (because all it does is run a generator), and the
spin-up time is no concern.

If hybrids catch on widely, and especially plug-in hybrids, then I
wouldn't be surprised to see turbine engines experimented with again at
some point -- or maybe some other types of engines, such as
Wankel/Rotapower. But I don't expect it to happen for a while because
reciprocating piston engines are what car companies already have, and
it's what they already know. They already feel they are venturing into
risky territory with an electric drivetrain, so adding an
unconventional engine is probably far from their minds right now.

--
Tony Belding, Hamilton Texas
 >> Stay informed about: Cars with turbine engines and flywheel *VS* Hybrids...