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Steve Thackery

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:53 pm
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I've got a 2001 (UK W-reg) XJ8 3.2 with 91,000 miles on the clock.

Of course, I've heard about the risks of the cam chain tensioner failing
(and I believe there's a water pump weakness, too, is that right?).

Can anyone give me an idea of what the actual chances of a tensioner failure
are? I mean, is it pretty well guaranteed to happen to every car that
doesn't have the new type fitted? Or one in ten?

I ask because it's a damned expensive job to get a new one fitted, so I need
to make a judgement on whether the costs outweigh the risks.

Also, do I need to worry about the Nikasil problem?

Any thoughts gratefully received.

Thanks,

SteveT

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:53 pm
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I don't own a V8 Jag, but I've been thinking about it (I have an XJ40
and a V12 XJS).
The owner of the independent specialty shop where I have my Jags
serviced told me it is an
issue that WILL occur sooner or later in early V8's (not likely prior to
about 50K miles)
and that it costs about US$1800 to fix.
He says it generally gives ample warning before a catastrophic failure,
that he can listen for
a growl at the front of the engine that tells him the failure is in the
early stages.
He does not tell his customers to automatically make the change, but to
be aware that
it has to be done and budget for it, meanwhile checking for strange
engine noise.
He suggested I look for a 2002 model to avoid the problem.

But, I think the chain tensioner problem was corrected late in the 2001
model year,
so you might want to check with a Jaguar dealer (or search the internet)
to find out what
serial number marked the change, perhaps your car already has the fix.

I can't help with the other issues, but I'd assume a Nikasil problem
would show up prior
to 91K miles; also, if you DO have the tensioner work done, seems
prudent to replace the
water pump whilst it's torn apart... chances are the water pump has
already been changed
considering your mileage.

Steve Thackery wrote:
> I've got a 2001 (UK W-reg) XJ8 3.2 with 91,000 miles on the clock.
>
> Of course, I've heard about the risks of the cam chain tensioner failing
> (and I believe there's a water pump weakness, too, is that right?).
>
> Can anyone give me an idea of what the actual chances of a tensioner
> failure are? I mean, is it pretty well guaranteed to happen to every
> car that doesn't have the new type fitted? Or one in ten?
>
> I ask because it's a damned expensive job to get a new one fitted, so I
> need to make a judgement on whether the costs outweigh the risks.
>
> Also, do I need to worry about the Nikasil problem?
>
> Any thoughts gratefully received.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:45 pm
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Sorry, guys, I realise I should have searched the Google archives first.

Still, if anyone would like to summarise the current thinking on the
situation, I'd be most grateful.

Thanks,

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:52 am
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This is wrong information. There have been many documented cases
(www.jag-lovers.org) of tensioners giving out with absolutely no warning, no
noise or anything else that might indicate impending doom.

In addition it may cost $1800 to replace the tensioners before they let go,
but if you didn't catch them, it will cost WAAAY more, as then engine may
well be trashed (depends how many cosgs it jumps). At 90K miles, you are
living on borrowed time if they haven't been replaced. Get the tensioners
replaced with 3rd generation metal ones, and whilst you're there do the
water pump with a metal impellor and the thermostat. If the car is a keeper,
you should do this work. If you plan on selling it soon, then don't worry,
it will someone else's problem (although if it was me I would reject any
potential AJ8 engined jag that hadn't had this work done by now)...

- Barney

Prior owner of an XJ6, an 00 S-type 4.0 with a Nikasil engine (yes Jaguar
did fit some S-types with Nikasil engines) an 01 S-type 4.0 and an '05
x-type, and soon to be owner of an 02 XKR....


"WayneC" <WayneC.DeleteThis@linkline.moc> wrote in message
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>I don't own a V8 Jag, but I've been thinking about it (I have an XJ40 and a
>V12 XJS).
> The owner of the independent specialty shop where I have my Jags serviced
> told me it is an
> issue that WILL occur sooner or later in early V8's (not likely prior to
> about 50K miles)
> and that it costs about US$1800 to fix.
> He says it generally gives ample warning before a catastrophic failure,
> that he can listen for
> a growl at the front of the engine that tells him the failure is in the
> early stages.
> He does not tell his customers to automatically make the change, but to be
> aware that
> it has to be done and budget for it, meanwhile checking for strange engine
> noise.
> He suggested I look for a 2002 model to avoid the problem.
>
> But, I think the chain tensioner problem was corrected late in the 2001
> model year,
> so you might want to check with a Jaguar dealer (or search the internet)
> to find out what
> serial number marked the change, perhaps your car already has the fix.
>
> I can't help with the other issues, but I'd assume a Nikasil problem would
> show up prior
> to 91K miles; also, if you DO have the tensioner work done, seems prudent
> to replace the
> water pump whilst it's torn apart... chances are the water pump has
> already been changed
> considering your mileage.
>
> Steve Thackery wrote:
>> I've got a 2001 (UK W-reg) XJ8 3.2 with 91,000 miles on the clock.
>>
>> Of course, I've heard about the risks of the cam chain tensioner failing
>> (and I believe there's a water pump weakness, too, is that right?).
>>
>> Can anyone give me an idea of what the actual chances of a tensioner
>> failure are? I mean, is it pretty well guaranteed to happen to every car
>> that doesn't have the new type fitted? Or one in ten?
>>
>> I ask because it's a damned expensive job to get a new one fitted, so I
>> need to make a judgement on whether the costs outweigh the risks.
>>
>> Also, do I need to worry about the Nikasil problem?
>>
>> Any thoughts gratefully received.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> SteveT
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:36 pm
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On 26 Nov, 17:52, "Barney Rubble" <barney.rub....DeleteThis@boulder.com> wrote:
> This is wrong information. There have been many documented cases
> (www.jag-lovers.org) of tensioners giving out with absolutely no warning, no
> noise or anything else that might indicate impending doom.
>
> In addition it may cost $1800 to replace the tensioners before they let go,
> but if you didn't catch them, it will cost WAAAY more, as then engine may
> well be trashed (depends how many cosgs it jumps). At 90K miles, you are
> living on borrowed time if they haven't been replaced. Get the tensioners
> replaced with 3rd generation metal ones, and whilst you're there do the
> water pump with a metal impellor and the thermostat. If the car is a keeper,
> you should do this work. If you plan on selling it soon, then don't worry,
> it will someone else's problem (although if it was me I would reject any
> potential AJ8 engined jag that hadn't had this work done by now)...
>
> - Barney
>
> Prior owner of an XJ6, an 00 S-type 4.0 with a Nikasil engine (yes Jaguar
> did fit some S-types with Nikasil engines) an 01 S-type 4.0 and an '05
> x-type, and soon to be owner of an 02 XKR....
>
> "WayneC" <Way....DeleteThis@linkline.moc> wrote in message
>
> news:HJudnRG6ZqKY-dXanZ2dnUVZ_oGjnZ2d@linkline.com...
>
>
>
> >I don't own a V8 Jag, but I've been thinking about it (I have an XJ40 and a
> >V12 XJS).
> > The owner of the independent specialty shop where I have my Jags serviced
> > told me it is an
> > issue that WILL occur sooner or later in early V8's (not likely prior to
> > about 50K miles)
> > and that it costs about US$1800 to fix.
> > He says it generally gives ample warning before a catastrophic failure,
> > that he can listen for
> > a growl at the front of the engine that tells him the failure is in the
> > early stages.
> > He does not tell his customers to automatically make the change, but to be
> > aware that
> > it has to be done and budget for it, meanwhile checking for strange engine
> > noise.
> > He suggested I look for a 2002 model to avoid the problem.
>
> > But, I think the chain tensioner problem was corrected late in the 2001
> > model year,
> > so you might want to check with a Jaguar dealer (or search the internet)
> > to find out what
> > serial number marked the change, perhaps your car already has the fix.
>
> > I can't help with the other issues, but I'd assume a Nikasil problem would
> > show up prior
> > to 91K miles; also, if you DO have the tensioner work done, seems prudent
> > to replace the
> > water pump whilst it's torn apart... chances are the water pump has
> > already been changed
> > considering your mileage.
>
> > Steve Thackery wrote:
> >> I've got a 2001 (UK W-reg) XJ8 3.2 with 91,000 miles on the clock.
>
> >> Of course, I've heard about the risks of the cam chain tensioner failing
> >> (and I believe there's a water pump weakness, too, is that right?).
>
> >> Can anyone give me an idea of what the actual chances of a tensioner
> >> failure are? I mean, is it pretty well guaranteed to happen to every car
> >> that doesn't have the new type fitted? Or one in ten?
>
> >> I ask because it's a damned expensive job to get a new one fitted, so I
> >> need to make a judgement on whether the costs outweigh the risks.
>
> >> Also, do I need to worry about the Nikasil problem?
>
> >> Any thoughts gratefully received.
>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >> SteveT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Does the above apply to a 2000 V8 'S' Type as well?

Richard L
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:59 pm
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Depends! A 2000 MY was probably built in 1999 and could well have a Nikasil
engine. It will have early tensioners and plastic impellor water pumps, so
in general yes.

- Barney

"Turenne" <richard.lichten1.TakeThisOut@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> On 26 Nov, 17:52, "Barney Rubble" <barney.rub....TakeThisOut@boulder.com> wrote:
>> This is wrong information. There have been many documented cases
>> (www.jag-lovers.org) of tensioners giving out with absolutely no warning,
>> no
>> noise or anything else that might indicate impending doom.
>>
>> In addition it may cost $1800 to replace the tensioners before they let
>> go,
>> but if you didn't catch them, it will cost WAAAY more, as then engine may
>> well be trashed (depends how many cosgs it jumps). At 90K miles, you are
>> living on borrowed time if they haven't been replaced. Get the tensioners
>> replaced with 3rd generation metal ones, and whilst you're there do the
>> water pump with a metal impellor and the thermostat. If the car is a
>> keeper,
>> you should do this work. If you plan on selling it soon, then don't
>> worry,
>> it will someone else's problem (although if it was me I would reject any
>> potential AJ8 engined jag that hadn't had this work done by now)...
>>
>> - Barney
>>
>> Prior owner of an XJ6, an 00 S-type 4.0 with a Nikasil engine (yes Jaguar
>> did fit some S-types with Nikasil engines) an 01 S-type 4.0 and an '05
>> x-type, and soon to be owner of an 02 XKR....
>>
>> "WayneC" <Way....TakeThisOut@linkline.moc> wrote in message
>>
>> news:HJudnRG6ZqKY-dXanZ2dnUVZ_oGjnZ2d@linkline.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> >I don't own a V8 Jag, but I've been thinking about it (I have an XJ40
>> >and a
>> >V12 XJS).
>> > The owner of the independent specialty shop where I have my Jags
>> > serviced
>> > told me it is an
>> > issue that WILL occur sooner or later in early V8's (not likely prior
>> > to
>> > about 50K miles)
>> > and that it costs about US$1800 to fix.
>> > He says it generally gives ample warning before a catastrophic failure,
>> > that he can listen for
>> > a growl at the front of the engine that tells him the failure is in the
>> > early stages.
>> > He does not tell his customers to automatically make the change, but to
>> > be
>> > aware that
>> > it has to be done and budget for it, meanwhile checking for strange
>> > engine
>> > noise.
>> > He suggested I look for a 2002 model to avoid the problem.
>>
>> > But, I think the chain tensioner problem was corrected late in the 2001
>> > model year,
>> > so you might want to check with a Jaguar dealer (or search the
>> > internet)
>> > to find out what
>> > serial number marked the change, perhaps your car already has the fix.
>>
>> > I can't help with the other issues, but I'd assume a Nikasil problem
>> > would
>> > show up prior
>> > to 91K miles; also, if you DO have the tensioner work done, seems
>> > prudent
>> > to replace the
>> > water pump whilst it's torn apart... chances are the water pump has
>> > already been changed
>> > considering your mileage.
>>
>> > Steve Thackery wrote:
>> >> I've got a 2001 (UK W-reg) XJ8 3.2 with 91,000 miles on the clock.
>>
>> >> Of course, I've heard about the risks of the cam chain tensioner
>> >> failing
>> >> (and I believe there's a water pump weakness, too, is that right?).
>>
>> >> Can anyone give me an idea of what the actual chances of a tensioner
>> >> failure are? I mean, is it pretty well guaranteed to happen to every
>> >> car
>> >> that doesn't have the new type fitted? Or one in ten?
>>
>> >> I ask because it's a damned expensive job to get a new one fitted, so
>> >> I
>> >> need to make a judgement on whether the costs outweigh the risks.
>>
>> >> Also, do I need to worry about the Nikasil problem?
>>
>> >> Any thoughts gratefully received.
>>
>> >> Thanks,
>>
>> >> SteveT- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Does the above apply to a 2000 V8 'S' Type as well?
>
> Richard L
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:21 pm
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> Depends! A 2000 MY was probably built in 1999 and could well have a
> Nikasil engine.

I've checked the engine number and it is beyond the range that had Nikasil
bores. It's booked in for the cam chain tensioners etc next week.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:08 pm
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Has anyone any idea how much it will cost here in the uk?

Any recommendations on who can do it in the west/north midlands area?


I have a 99 'V' XK8 with 52k miles. The tentioner has not been replaced yet!




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>> Depends! A 2000 MY was probably built in 1999 and could well have a
>> Nikasil engine.
>
> I've checked the engine number and it is beyond the range that had Nikasil
> bores. It's booked in for the cam chain tensioners etc next week.
>
> SteveT
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:41 am
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I can't help with the North and West question, but here is how the job added
up for me:

Water pump: £48.93
Thermostat: £26.17
Crankshaft seal: £16.71
Secondary chains: £66.90
Bolt: £4.25
Chain tensioner: £47.81
Chain guides: £23.16
Chain tensioner: £53.56
Chain tensioner: £47.81
Hex bolts: £3.60
Timing seal: £10.4
Insulators: £61.88
Primary chains: £64.96
Timing seal: £10.40

Total parts: £486.64

Labour: £578.56 (9.98 hours at £58 per hour)

Total without VAT: £1065.10
Total inc VAT: £1251.50

I used Elite and Performance Jags at Derby (www.eapj.co.uk)

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