Bye, Bye 2000 Impreza RS

Tony Hwang wrote:

> Hi,
> Today in extreme cold weather my son totalled his Subie.
> Total write off with serious frontal damage. Wondering how come air bag
> did not pop?! Looking for a upgrade to WRX(not STi version). Any
> comments/suggesions on couple years old WRX? Can't afford brand new.
> We are just glad accident did not involve any other person or property.
> He just destroyed his own car losing control side ways, Sigh!

I hope he is OK?

It is 'slightly' more likely to get a used WRX wagon that hasn't been
reamed out by some teenager than a sedan. I'd be very careful shopping
for ANY inexpensive 'sporty' car. Many have been hammered by a kid.

I like my '06 WRX wagon just fine so far.

good luck


Carl


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Let me get this right-- kid totals car with only himself to blame and
you want to buy him a HIGH performance car. I hope he's not on your
insurance cuz when he hits ME I'm owning your house!!!!! If it were
me he'd get a bicycle until HE earns the money for another car!!!!
Buy him another car and I guarantee he'll crash it too. Lucky for you
no one else was hurt. Buying kids cars usually leads to crashes!!!


On Jan 31, 6:29 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
> Hi,
> Today in extreme cold weather my son totalled his Subie.
> Total write off with serious frontal damage. Wondering how come air bag
> did not pop?! Looking for a upgrade to WRX(not STi version). Any
> comments/suggesions on couple years old WRX? Can't afford brand new.
> We are just glad accident did not involve any other person or property.
> He just destroyed his own car losing control side ways, Sigh!
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I thought he was a teen. It's even worse he's an engineer and expects
dad to buy him another car. Engineers do okay so send him to a hunday
dealer or if you want AWD get a Suzuki SX4 for $18 k fully loaded
with AWD


On Jan 31, 7:40 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
> Fred Boer wrote:
> > How about a bus pass?
>
> Hi,
> Well, his office is off the bus route and his job needs a vehicle for
> frequent trips to job sites out in the field.(civil engineer)
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In article
,
wrote:

> I thought he was a teen. It's even worse he's an engineer and expects
> dad to buy him another car. Engineers do okay so send him to a hunday
> dealer or if you want AWD get a Suzuki SX4 for $18 k fully loaded
> with AWD
>
>
> On Jan 31, 7:40 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
> > Fred Boer wrote:
> > > How about a bus pass?
> >
> > Hi,
> > Well, his office is off the bus route and his job needs a vehicle for
> > frequent trips to job sites out in the field.(civil engineer)

Nowhere does it say that he's not going to pay for it (or that he didn't
pay for the first one). Maybe dad is just helping find the car and it's
something they enjoy doing together.

Edwin
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Fred Boer wrote:
> How about a bus pass?
>
Hi,
Well, his office is off the bus route and his job needs a vehicle for
frequent trips to job sites out in the field.(civil engineer)
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Well, I am glad that nobody was hurt... Sorry, but I have no helpful
information. If it were me, however, I'd avoid a used WRX, since I can't
imagine anyone buying one of those cars and not thrashing it...

I wonder what the difference in cost might be between a new Impreza and a
used WRX - if it weren't too much I fer sure would go for a new car...

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"Tony Hwang" wrote in message

> Fred Boer wrote:
>> How about a bus pass?
>>
> Hi,
> Well, his office is off the bus route and his job needs a vehicle for
> frequent trips to job sites out in the field.(civil engineer)
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Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:

> Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Today in extreme cold weather my son totalled his Subie.
>> Total write off with serious frontal damage. Wondering how come air
>> bag did not pop?! Looking for a upgrade to WRX(not STi version). Any
>> comments/suggesions on couple years old WRX? Can't afford brand new.
>> We are just glad accident did not involve any other person or property.
>> He just destroyed his own car losing control side ways, Sigh!
>
>
> I hope he is OK?
>
> It is 'slightly' more likely to get a used WRX wagon that hasn't been
> reamed out by some teenager than a sedan. I'd be very careful shopping
> for ANY inexpensive 'sporty' car. Many have been hammered by a kid.
>
> I like my '06 WRX wagon just fine so far.
>
> good luck
>
>
> Carl
>
>
Hmmm,
I am looking at one on dealer's lot. Has only ~20000 miles. Black in
color. The kid seems OK. Was sitting in a Jacuzzi tub when I came home, LOL.
Car is towed to my house today and donating it to kidney foundtation for
whatever it's worth.
Sorry to see it go which we put in lot of work into.
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:13:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>I thought he was a teen. It's even worse he's an engineer and expects
>dad to buy him another car.

Geez, homophobe, stop with the assumptions. NOTHING in his original
post indicated that the son expected the father to buy the replacement
vehicle (the relevant sentence begins with "Can't", with no pronoun
before it).
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On Jan 31, 6:29 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
> Hi,
> Today in extreme cold weather my son totalled his Subie.
> Total write off with serious frontal damage. Wondering how come air bag
> did not pop?! Looking for a upgrade to WRX(not STi version). Any
> comments/suggesions on couple years old WRX? Can't afford brand new.
> We are just glad accident did not involve any other person or property.
> He just destroyed his own car losing control side ways, Sigh!

Aside from the issue of whether an inexperienced driver (and you don't
mention how old or experienced your son is; for all we know he could
be a 40 year old ice racing champ) who totals a 2.5RS should move up
to a WRX (or STI), let me toss my two cents worth in on the topic
since I have some relevant experience here. I had a 2.5RS, that
replaced an Outback Sport that I felt was underpowered and too softly
sprung. Turning out of a driveway onto a road covered with light snow
(no traffic in sight, with relatively new, original all-season
Bridgestones) I punched the throttle to see how the tail would react.
The rear came out as I had anticipated, but wouldn't come back
regardless of my steering correction and throttle control. The car
eventually struck a high curb that and cracked a wheel. a 2" by 1/2"
chunk of the bead wall came out, but the crack didn't spread; tire
didn't even lose pressure and I made it home (still holds pressure and
I keep it around as an emergency spare).

Now, many of the "performance" cars I've owned (WRX, Z-28, SE-R,
Corvair) have had limited slip differentials which, regardless of the
driven wheels (and you'll note that the 4 I mention are all different
configurations) allow traction to be shifted away fom the driven wheel
that's lost traction. This can enable the driver to apply throttle,
coupled with steering correction, to use the remaining rear driven
wheel to pull the car out of the "drift". I ultimately replaced my RS
with a WRX and since have attempted to duplicate the "accident", at
progressively higher speeds. With the LSD (no I wasn't tripping), the
rear caught and was recoverable, in every instance. I love the WRX,
but would have been happy with the RS if it had been available as a
wagon (which it eventually was) and with a rear LSD (which has never
been offered).

Is the limited-slip differential a cure-all? No. But it's an
inexpensive mechanical solution to a common problem, and should be
more widely available. I hate the idea of the high-tech alternative:
traction control systems that apply braking force to a wheel losing
traction. Defeats the pleasure of studying the limit of adhesion and
learning how to power through that moment.

Your son must have gotten into a serious spin to incur frontal damage
as well. However, as another poster mentions, the reason the airbag
didn't pop was probably that there wasn't enough logitudinal force
generated to trigger them. No idea how the sensors are calibrated for
side bags or if your car was equipped with them.

I'd suggest that if you're going to spring for a WRX , have him attend
a high-performance driving course to learn how to use it.
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> "Tony Hwang" wrote in message
>
> > Today in extreme cold weather my son totalled his Subie.
> > Total write off with serious frontal damage.
> > Wondering how come air bag did not pop?!

Since you said:

> > He just destroyed his own car losing control side ways, Sigh!

maybe the force of the crash in the longitudinal direction was not
enough to set off the airbags ?

> > Looking for a upgrade to WRX(not STi version). Any
> > comments/suggesions on couple years old WRX?

I hope you don't mind the looks Other people here can probably advise
you if they have any known weaknesses. (Someone who works for a Subaru
dealership posted recently that its 1st gear is not strong enough for
its engine, so dragster-type starts are a bad idea.)

> > Can't afford brand new.

In the reviews that I have read about the new model the reviewer was
disappointed. Subaru apparently doesn't intend for the new WRX to be
sporty ("buy the STi instead") which kind of makes it a bit pointless.

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On 1 Feb, 12:21, suburboturbo wrote:
> On Jan 31, 6:29 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Today in extreme cold weather my son totalled his Subie.
> > Total write off with serious frontal damage. Wondering how come air bag
> > did not pop?! Looking for a upgrade to WRX(not STi version). Any
> > comments/suggesions on couple years old WRX? Can't afford brand new.
> > We are just glad accident did not involve any other person or property.
> > He just destroyed his own car losing control side ways, Sigh!
>
> Aside from the issue of whether an inexperienced driver (and you don't
> mention how old or experienced your son is; for all we know he could
> be a 40 year old ice racing champ) who totals a 2.5RS should move up
> to a WRX (or STI), let me toss my two cents worth in on the topic
> since I have some relevant experience here. I had a 2.5RS, that
> replaced an Outback Sport that I felt was underpowered and too softly
> sprung. Turning out of a driveway onto a road covered with light snow
> (no traffic in sight, with relatively new, original all-season
> Bridgestones) I punched the throttle to see how the tail would react.
> The rear came out as I had anticipated, but wouldn't come back
> regardless of my steering correction and throttle control. The car
> eventually struck a high curb that and cracked a wheel. a 2" by 1/2"
> chunk of the bead wall came out, but the crack didn't spread; tire
> didn't even lose pressure and I made it home (still holds pressure and
> I keep it around as an emergency spare).
>
> Now, many of the "performance" cars I've owned (WRX, Z-28, SE-R,
> Corvair) have had limited slip differentials which, regardless of the
> driven wheels (and you'll note that the 4 I mention are all different
> configurations) allow traction to be shifted away fom the driven wheel
> that's lost traction. This can enable the driver to apply throttle,
> coupled with steering correction, to use the remaining rear driven
> wheel to pull the car out of the "drift". I ultimately replaced my RS
> with a WRX and since have attempted to duplicate the "accident", at
> progressively higher speeds. With the LSD (no I wasn't tripping), the
> rear caught and was recoverable, in every instance. I love the WRX,
> but would have been happy with the RS if it had been available as a
> wagon (which it eventually was) and with a rear LSD (which has never
> been offered).
>
> Is the limited-slip differential a cure-all? No. But it's an
> inexpensive mechanical solution to a common problem, and should be
> more widely available. I hate the idea of the high-tech alternative:
> traction control systems that apply braking force to a wheel losing
> traction. Defeats the pleasure of studying the limit of adhesion and
> learning how to power through that moment.
>
> Your son must have gotten into a serious spin to incur frontal damage
> as well. However, as another poster mentions, the reason the airbag
> didn't pop was probably that there wasn't enough logitudinal force
> generated to trigger them. No idea how the sensors are calibrated for
> side bags or if your car was equipped with them.
>
> I'd suggest that if you're going to spring for a WRX , have him attend
> a high-performance driving course to learn how to use it.

did the RS have AWD, and wouldn't the power shift to the front, or did
it happen too fast for it to react?

I had a car with LSD, and it was annoying to drive in the rain on a
road paved with concrete that water puddled where the surface was worn
from tires. It would toggle from side to side as one wheel would loose
traction, and the other would grab, and they would alternate. I had
ordered the LSD as an option for bad weather. I had thought about
getting a WRX but figured the AWD without the LSD would be better in
bad weather driving, having a front/rear shift, opposed to side to
side. Better tire traction always helps, but I never had a problem in
the rear, driving straight in the rain without LSD. Had a problem in
the front in the rain with a set of tires that hydroplaned at too low
a speed.

VF
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suburboturbo wrote:
> On Jan 31, 6:29 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>Today in extreme cold weather my son totalled his Subie.
>>Total write off with serious frontal damage. Wondering how come air bag
>>did not pop?! Looking for a upgrade to WRX(not STi version). Any
>>comments/suggesions on couple years old WRX? Can't afford brand new.
>>We are just glad accident did not involve any other person or property.
>>He just destroyed his own car losing control side ways, Sigh!
>
>
> Aside from the issue of whether an inexperienced driver (and you don't
> mention how old or experienced your son is; for all we know he could
> be a 40 year old ice racing champ) who totals a 2.5RS should move up
> to a WRX (or STI), let me toss my two cents worth in on the topic
> since I have some relevant experience here. I had a 2.5RS, that
> replaced an Outback Sport that I felt was underpowered and too softly
> sprung. Turning out of a driveway onto a road covered with light snow
> (no traffic in sight, with relatively new, original all-season
> Bridgestones) I punched the throttle to see how the tail would react.
> The rear came out as I had anticipated, but wouldn't come back
> regardless of my steering correction and throttle control. The car
> eventually struck a high curb that and cracked a wheel. a 2" by 1/2"
> chunk of the bead wall came out, but the crack didn't spread; tire
> didn't even lose pressure and I made it home (still holds pressure and
> I keep it around as an emergency spare).
>
> Now, many of the "performance" cars I've owned (WRX, Z-28, SE-R,
> Corvair) have had limited slip differentials which, regardless of the
> driven wheels (and you'll note that the 4 I mention are all different
> configurations) allow traction to be shifted away fom the driven wheel
> that's lost traction. This can enable the driver to apply throttle,
> coupled with steering correction, to use the remaining rear driven
> wheel to pull the car out of the "drift". I ultimately replaced my RS
> with a WRX and since have attempted to duplicate the "accident", at
> progressively higher speeds. With the LSD (no I wasn't tripping), the
> rear caught and was recoverable, in every instance. I love the WRX,
> but would have been happy with the RS if it had been available as a
> wagon (which it eventually was) and with a rear LSD (which has never
> been offered).
>
> Is the limited-slip differential a cure-all? No. But it's an
> inexpensive mechanical solution to a common problem, and should be
> more widely available. I hate the idea of the high-tech alternative:
> traction control systems that apply braking force to a wheel losing
> traction. Defeats the pleasure of studying the limit of adhesion and
> learning how to power through that moment.
>
> Your son must have gotten into a serious spin to incur frontal damage
> as well. However, as another poster mentions, the reason the airbag
> didn't pop was probably that there wasn't enough logitudinal force
> generated to trigger them. No idea how the sensors are calibrated for
> side bags or if your car was equipped with them.
>
> I'd suggest that if you're going to spring for a WRX , have him attend
> a high-performance driving course to learn how to use it.
>
Hi,
He is almost 24 and has been driving for ~8 years not counting learner
licencee days. He got advanced defensive driving course. Accident
happend at entrance to the freeway not far from our house. First time
real accident. Car had Mokian winter tires it is manual shift. Just
happened as he can't explain what really caused it. The road is curved
and sloped down and little bit sideways as well. I am not buying his
replacement. I am just lending him fund so he can repay me by monthly
installment.
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"Tony Hwang" wrote in message


> replacement. I am just lending him fund so he can repay me by monthly
> installment.

Same thing my dad did for a brother. Beats paying interest to a bank.

~Brian
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