Don't Blame Floor Mats for Toyota (Lexus) Runaways

"in2dadark" wrote in message

On Nov 22, 9:33 pm, "Ray O"
wrote:
> "ben91932" wrote in message
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> >> How do they know she "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes
> >> if she diesd in the crash? Sounds like another case of pedal confusion
> >> to me.
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> >> Ed
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> > IIRC, obd2 can store values like brake pressure....
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> As Jeff Strickland posted, some vehicles have a separate recording device
> that is separate from OBD II. OBD II does not store pedal pressure as most
> vehicles do not have a pedal pressure sensor.
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> BTW, there is another indicator besides discolored brake rotors and black
> boxes as to whether the brakes were applied at the time of impact.
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> Ray O
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And that would be...?

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As Scott Dorsey mentioned, the brake light bulbs can give an indication of
whether or not the lights were illuminated at the time of impact.

I can't confirm whether or not Scott's explanation if correct or not, but it
sounds plausible.

We used to have to check out vehicles where the operator claimed that a
defect in the vehicle caused an accident, and I noticed that police
technicians often removed the brake light bulbs or tail light assemblies,
and when I asked the technician why he was removing the bulbs, he said that
the brake light bulbs tell a story.
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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"Ray O" wrote in message
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> As Scott Dorsey mentioned, the brake light bulbs can give an indication of
> whether or not the lights were illuminated at the time of impact.
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> I can't confirm whether or not Scott's explanation if correct or not, but
> it sounds plausible.
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> We used to have to check out vehicles where the operator claimed that a
> defect in the vehicle caused an accident, and I noticed that police
> technicians often removed the brake light bulbs or tail light assemblies,
> and when I asked the technician why he was removing the bulbs, he said
> that the brake light bulbs tell a story.
> --
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> Ray O

I can reasonably accept that the carpets caused some of the problems, or
that in
some cases a driver had his or her foot on both pedals, but Toyota needs to
slay this
dragon once and for all.

I have two newish Toyotas, and neither one of them has ever misbehaved or
given me
anything at all to complain about.

I am sure that if this happened to me, I COULD get the car stopped. I am
not so sure
about my wife, even though we have gone through the drill.
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