Bailout blues?

buy a Mazda.....same thing



"Josh S" wrote in message

> In article ,
> "Meebers" wrote:
>
>> I'd rather walk then buy a Furd!
>
> I've not had a Ford car, but based on the reported high quality of their
> Fusion and other models with a similar drive train, the newer Ford FWD
> models would have to be be on my short list for a new car.
 >> Stay informed about: Bailout blues? 

Not unless they price their parts reasonably these days. I owned a
Mazda about 10 years ago. The parts prices were outrageously high.
Things like motor mounts and ignition switches that cost $35 (including
on a Cadillac that I owned at the same time) cost over $200 each for the
Mazda - and there was nothing exotic or unique at all about the Mazda
parts other than they were made to fit a Mazda.

--
Bill Putney
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address with the letter 'x')


Rob wrote:
> buy a Mazda.....same thing
>
>
>
> "Josh S" wrote in message
>
>> In article ,
>> "Meebers" wrote:
>>
>>> I'd rather walk then buy a Furd!
>> I've not had a Ford car, but based on the reported high quality of their
>> Fusion and other models with a similar drive train, the newer Ford FWD
>> models would have to be be on my short list for a new car.
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Bailout blues? 

> Josh S wrote: "Certainly the unions had become too strong, but they are
> necessary to protect the workers from the companies.
What is needed is for unions and management to work together for the good of
the company. Being at war benefits neither side."

Union are not to strong. It just the opposite. Many unions have merged to
try and keep the numbers up due to losing membership. Membership reduction
is a result of lost jobs not because the unions and companies could not work
together. Many of theses jobs were shipped South of the border after NFTA
was signed in to law and some were sent overseas to third world countries
and to China.

If the US continues to ship manufacturing jobs overseas then the US will be
reduced to nothing. We will only have service industry type jobs. Jobs
like Wal-Mart were you may only work part time without benefits.

Unions have a purpose. They insist on safe work places and not just
benefits and wages. You should thank a union for helping keep your salary
where it is. Companies don't care about you are I only that they make a
profit and the share holder gets his dividend. They would cut your salary
or reduce the number of workers to unsafe levels if the unions would not be
there.

Do I agree with everything Union? No. I am against Cap and Trade, and I am
against Health Care Reform in its present form. I don't won't government
run health care. I only see the cost going up with that option. Try
government run home owners insurance. My premiums tripled under government
run homeowners and I never made a claim during the last 20 years. Yet my
insurance company decided to bail out and I was stuck with the state run
homeowners at triple the cost. I pay more for insurance then my house note
is. I see that same thing happening if we get government run health care.

Many folks are anti union because they never worked in a union shop. All
they hear is anti union propaganda. Try to keep an open mind and understand
unions are not all about money. Its about protecting the worker. Wages and
benefits is secondary to workers safety.

Yes when times are good the unions want more but I bet if your company made
18 or 20 percent return on its investment you would want more also. You
know the CEO going to get his regardless if the company makes money or not.

A union is not just the leaders but its members. As a Union leader, when
members ask what is the union doing, I reply what are you doing. I not the
union we are.

Union Proud

Licker
 >> Stay informed about: Bailout blues? 

"JBDragon" We agree with every thing you said about the President. I do not
support that agenda. Unions do care about the company. They know that
without the company they would not have a job. They do get good benefits
and wages. They get this when the company is doing good. If the company is
doing poor they do not demand a 10 percent raise or strike. You have know
idea what unions are really about.

By the way you mentioned buying Toyota. Here is a link to Union made
vehicles: http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2010/index.cfm There is one
union made truck on there.

By the way look up the history of OSHA and you will find that it was started
because Unions demanded a safer place. The problem with OSHA today is they
do not enforce the laws until something happens. They are reactive and not
proactive. This was one of the things that was cited in the Baker report
after the BP explosion in Texas City. That is why they are finally stepping
up enforcement at refineries across the nation. One refinery in my area was
cited for 10 serious violations as resulted of theses audits. They were
fined 78 thousand dollars and they appealed they fines. They settled for 48
thousand and from what I here they are still doing the same thing. OSHA is
useless without an administration that is going to back it up and demand
they provide workers with a safe place to work.
 >> Stay informed about: Bailout blues? 

every ford hood i open has Mazda engines underneath. on the small new
econoboxes anyway.

some of the older Lincolns had the 3.9 L jaguar in them too.


"Bill Putney" wrote in message

> Not unless they price their parts reasonably these days. I owned a Mazda
> about 10 years ago. The parts prices were outrageously high. Things like
> motor mounts and ignition switches that cost $35 (including on a Cadillac
> that I owned at the same time) cost over $200 each for the Mazda - and
> there was nothing exotic or unique at all about the Mazda parts other than
> they were made to fit a Mazda.
>
> --
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address
> with the letter 'x')
>
>
> Rob wrote:
>> buy a Mazda.....same thing
>>
>>
>>
>> "Josh S" wrote in message
>>
>>> In article ,
>>> "Meebers" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd rather walk then buy a Furd!
>>> I've not had a Ford car, but based on the reported high quality of their
>>> Fusion and other models with a similar drive train, the newer Ford FWD
>>> models would have to be be on my short list for a new car.
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Bailout blues? 

Get real. The Fusion was a Ford in house design, from the get go. If
anything Mazda used Ford design concepts.




"Rob" wrote in message

> buy a Mazda.....same thing
>
>
>
> "Josh S" wrote in message
>
>> In article ,
>> "Meebers" wrote:
>>
>>> I'd rather walk then buy a Furd!
>>
>> I've not had a Ford car, but based on the reported high quality of their
>> Fusion and other models with a similar drive train, the newer Ford FWD
>> models would have to be be on my short list for a new car.
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Bailout blues? 

So the question still remains: With their sharing parts with Ford, are
parts for Mazda's still outrageously expensive (i.e., what should cost
$35 costs $200) like it was a decade ago?

--
Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Rob wrote:
> every ford hood i open has Mazda engines underneath. on the small new
> econoboxes anyway.
>
> some of the older Lincolns had the 3.9 L jaguar in them too.
>
>
> "Bill Putney" wrote in message
>
>> Not unless they price their parts reasonably these days. I owned a Mazda
>> about 10 years ago. The parts prices were outrageously high. Things like
>> motor mounts and ignition switches that cost $35 (including on a Cadillac
>> that I owned at the same time) cost over $200 each for the Mazda - and
>> there was nothing exotic or unique at all about the Mazda parts other than
>> they were made to fit a Mazda.
>>
>> --
>> Bill Putney
>> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address
>> with the letter 'x')
>>
>>
>> Rob wrote:
>>> buy a Mazda.....same thing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Josh S" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> "Meebers" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather walk then buy a Furd!
>>>> I've not had a Ford car, but based on the reported high quality of their
>>>> Fusion and other models with a similar drive train, the newer Ford FWD
>>>> models would have to be be on my short list for a new car.
>
 >> Stay informed about: Bailout blues? 

yep the fusion body was an in-house design. sure nuf.


"Mike Hunter" wrote in message

> Get real. The Fusion was a Ford in house design, from the get go. If
> anything Mazda used Ford design concepts.
>
>
>
>
> "Rob" wrote in message
>
>> buy a Mazda.....same thing
>>
>>
>>
>> "Josh S" wrote in message
>>
>>> In article ,
>>> "Meebers" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd rather walk then buy a Furd!
>>>
>>> I've not had a Ford car, but based on the reported high quality of their
>>> Fusion and other models with a similar drive train, the newer Ford FWD
>>> models would have to be be on my short list for a new car.
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Bailout blues? 

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:44:27 -0500, Bill Putney
wrote:

>Ashton Crusher wrote:
>
>> It is a marvel isn't it. I too have never understood the glee that
>> some American's get when something happens that hurts Unions or their
>> dismay when there is news of a Union worker getting something. Why do
>> some Americans hate to see some other group of American's doing well?
>
>You mean at other people's expense as to to the damage to other people
>who have to live in the same resulting economy - like the carve-out on
>Cadillac healthcare plans' punishing tax penalties that's being
>negotiated - is that what you mean by one "group...doing well"? Yeah I
>think the Democrats are getting ready to find out just how dismayed
>Americans really are (at that and the Louisiana and Nebraska deals in
>order to buy votes that screw the other guy).
>
>Let's see - another group - people in Congress who won't have to live
>under the same rules that they're wanting to put the non-political class
>under? Yeah - I can't imagine why people get upset at that group "doing
>well" in that regard.


It's not a perfect world but most of the benefits ALL workers have is
the result of UNION workers demanding it. As the middle class gets
screwed over more and more the same middle class has been brainwashed
into thinking it would somehow be bad for them to all band together
into a union and gain an equal place at the table with the power
brokers.
 >> Stay informed about: Bailout blues?